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I think it's a solid build up episode, but the Arya stuff spoils it. Could be written better, but it could be the same in the books, who knows? I think the director's take is that Waif wanted to inflict maximum pain on Arya, and so the first wounds were not life threatening and just meant to weaken her. Doesn't still explain the chasing at 120 miles, but she did receive milk of poppy and medical attention. It's such an unsatisfactory mix with a bit of logic and a lot of making up as you go along thrown in.

I suppose Arya comes to Winterfell, gets rid of her enemies and then Jaqen comes back to claim her and she retires back as an assassin at the end of Book 7.

That would make sense but the director's actual explanation is "Arya is a human and human's makes mistakes."

Mylod wanted to make it clear that Arya is human - she makes mistakes just like everyone else. And her young age is a factor, too.

"We had to set up a situation where it was plausible that a warrior like Arya messes up," Mylod explained. "She allowed herself a moment [of reflection]- and this is where you have to remember that despite what an extraordinary warrior she is, and all the hell and back that she's been through that she's still such a young woman, and is vulnerable and flawed like every wonderful character in the show and every human being on earth."

http://www.techinsider.io/game-of-thrones-director-explains-arya-braavos-scene-2016-6

Clown would be more at home directing Coronation Street.
 
Also, was watching the episode with my wife , daughter and a friend of my daughters, they were all disappointed that The Hounds "little hound" was not given more screen time. :lol:
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feck me that directors an idiot. It makes me sick seeing shit heads Bastardise every aspect of the story as these "fans" (By fans I mean show fans who barely understand the books) are given power tof make up ridiculous shit to try and emulate what GRRM has crafted.

Seriously. I bet you that shit head director only watched the first few seasons of the show and thought "We need violence, characters being dumb and Big shocks". Fecking stupid twat
 
Alright, death watch time

1. Blackfish (What a waste, already dead)
2. Waif (Bye, you won't beissed)
3. Ramsay Bolton
4. Ser Davos/Melisandre
5. Littlefinger (looks unlikely)
6. Theon Greyjoy (likely)
7. Cersei or Tommen (please)

Added Ser Davos/Melisandre option as it looks like he finds the burial place of Shireen in the preview.
Dragon to finally appear in the Westeros
Ramsey is going to beat/kill/defeat John Snow...
Because that is GRRMs style.
There is unanimous speculation that Ramsey will die here and whenever it looks like something is sure to happen, the unexpected / worst usually occurs (Red Wedding, Ned, Viper's death, Boltons v Stannis). Also it would be just like GRRM to give us hope by resurrecting Jon Snow and then cruelly twist the plot by killing him a little while later.
 
Ramsey is going to beat/kill/defeat John Snow...
Because that is GRRMs style.
There is unanimous speculation that Ramsey will die here and whenever it looks like something is sure to happen, the unexpected / worst usually occurs (Red Wedding, Ned, Viper's death, Boltons v Stannis). Also it would be just like GRRM to give us hope by resurrecting Jon Snow and then cruelly twist the plot by killing him a little while later.
Jon Snow losing this battle would make a lot of people lose their shit. Would be funny.

I've been wondering whether the writers will go full cliche and have Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale turn up to save the day (a la Stannis beyond the wall, now I think about it). Would be quite the twist if he turned up and helped the Boltons.
 
Jon Snow losing this battle would make a lot of people lose their shit. Would be funny.

I've been wondering whether the writers will go full cliche and have Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale turn up to save the day (a la Stannis beyond the wall, now I think about it). Would be quite the twist if he turned up and helped the Boltons.

Actually, I think they're going all out to portray the Starks as the "underdog" (small army, ill prepared, getting turned down by a few families in the north etc.) against Ramsey's army and hence I can't see anything other than a Jon/Sansa victory
 
Actually, I think they're going all out to portray the Starks as the "underdog" (small army, ill prepared, getting turned down by a few families in the north etc.) against Ramsey's army and hence I can't see anything other than a Jon/Sansa victory
It wouldn't make sense if Ramsay wins either. Where does that leave the situation in the North? What happens with Sansa and Littlefinger? The only real fights left will be when Dany arrives in Westeros and when they all have to fight against the Walkers, so it wouldn't really make sense to keep the Boltons in the North because it kind of creates a power vacuum. I think the Starks will re-unite the North, Cersei will feck up King's Landing and Dany arrives in Dorne.
 
It wouldn't make sense if Ramsay wins either. Where does that leave the situation in the North? What happens with Sansa and Littlefinger? The only real fights left will be when Dany arrives in Westeros and when they all have to fight against the Walkers, so it wouldn't really make sense to keep the Boltons in the North because it kind of creates a power vacuum. I think the Starks will re-unite the North, Cersei will feck up King's Landing and Dany arrives in Dorne.
Yeah, I can't see any other outcome either. Like you said, the closer it's getting to the end of the show now and we all know the final battle is most definitely against the WW, certain characters and their arcs are irrelevant. Ramsey being one of them. And also, he's a cnut.
 
I've been silently dreading Ramsay Bolton's victory, especially with the 'let's fight mano a mano' soundbits.
Would love that to happen. Would be unpredictable unlike most of the season thus far.
 
Jon Snow losing/legit dying would be the greatest shit in fiction history. Like people are only seeing it coming because it's Games of Thrones....but secretly don't want it to happen. But no one knows, despite the fact it's heavily unlikely. Goddamn, I'll miss the Welshie if he goes though.
 
GRRM doesn't just do things that are unexpected just to be unexpected. He does things that move plots and story lines along the best.

Nedd dying, the Redditch wedding and Oberyn dying were all necessary to move their respective plots a long and the story along. If they didn't, their stories would've stagnated.
 
Now if the end game is that the White Walkers destroy mankind because mankind was so busy fighting amongst itself, weakening itself so it was unable to unite in time to fight the White Walkers, well then we can expect Jon Snow to die, the dragons to get defeated or tell the humans to feck off, and people like Ramsey and Cersei to be the ones human kind is left with to try and defeat the White Walkers and their armies.
 
GRRM doesn't just do things that are unexpected just to be unexpected. He does things that move plots and story lines along the best.

Nedd dying, the Redditch wedding and Oberyn dying were all necessary to move their respective plots a long and the story along. If they didn't, their stories would've stagnated.


I agree, the thing about Ned and Robb, is that if GRRM always intended this epic multi novel story, there really was no place to go with them in the long term.
 
I agree, the thing about Ned and Robb, is that if GRRM always intended this epic multi novel story, there really was no place to go with them in the long term.
Nedd was the gatekeeper. He got the story going but had no place beyond his story.

Robb wasn't a PoV character so he wasn't really the focus of the books. His death is a lot less shocking them as a result.
 
Jon Snow losing/legit dying would be the greatest shit in fiction history. Like people are only seeing it coming because it's Games of Thrones....but secretly don't want it to happen. But no one knows, despite the fact it's heavily unlikely. Goddamn, I'll miss the Welshie if he goes though.
I'm not going anywhere pal
 
Nedd was the gatekeeper. He got the story going but had no place beyond his story.

Robb wasn't a PoV character so he wasn't really the focus of the books. His death is a lot less shocking them as a result.

I think the deaths of Eddard Stark and Robb Stark were shocking in it's own way.
 
I think the deaths of Eddard Stark and Robb Stark were shocking in it's own way.
For you as a reader because you follow the idea that main characters and good guys don't die and lose to underhanded tactics. For the story it made a lot of sense.
 
For you as a reader because you follow the idea that main characters and good guys don't die and lose to underhanded tactics. For the story it made a lot of sense.

I'm just saying that GRRM doesn't kill characters for shock value or for making it more realistic by having the lead/good characters die. He already has the story set in his mind and he's killing off characters like planned.
 
I'm just saying that GRRM doesn't kill characters for shock value or for making it more realistic by having the lead/good characters die. He already has the story set in his mind and he's killing off characters like planned.
I know. The show doesn't seem to understand that though and fell into the trap of believing he was killing them off for shock value. That has lead to the show trying to shock readers instead of tell a great story
 
I like how Paddy Power have betting odds on who Jon Snow's mother is.:lol:
 
Caught up with the episode today and have been wondering the logic of Arya's arc for this episode. If Arya was going to end up killing Waif in that dark lair, it could have been done as soon as Arya blew the candle off at the end of that episode (ep 5 or 6?). I don't see the point of showing Waif stabbing Arya multiple times, Arya magically recovering next day, running half across the city and eventually killing Waif in that same place she hid Needle. Could have shown that Waif found Arya (which wouldn't have been so outlandish because Waif was a trained assassin after all and she knew the city) in that dark room and Arya killed Waif thanks to all the training she took as a blind girl. Waif would be at a disadvantage as she never fought as a blind girl. I have no reason to believe that training as a blind is mandatory to become No-One because the reason Arya became blind was she ignored the instructions and killed Meryn Trant.

The only point I could see is that Many-Faced God wants the death when a name has been promised to him (which is why they had to kill Lady Crane off). But this still leaves Arya's name with the God which should mean Jaqen must be killing Arya as soon as he finds her in the temple. But he doesn't which presumably means Many-Faced God doesn't see it as mandatory. Which makes Lady Crane's death pointless.

Just doesn't feel consistent with internal logic where Arya is not supposed to be a superhero immune to flesh wounds. Or maybe I'm the fool for ignoring yet another Monty Python hidden tribute by D & D - 'Tis but a scratch!

I have been wondering the same with Reek realizing he's Theon as soon as Sansa pushed Myranda away and killed her. Don't understand how that made him suddenly turn from meek Reek to eloping with Sansa. I mean, he was there at wedding night and presumably knows all the torture Sansa already went through so if he didn't want to take her away then I don't see why he would, when Sansa killed Myranda. If someone can explain that, I'd be glad.
 
The only point I could see is that Many-Faced God wants the death when a name has been promised to him (which is why they had to kill Lady Crane off). But this still leaves Arya's name with the God which should mean Jaqen must be killing Arya as soon as he finds her in the temple. But he doesn't which presumably means Many-Faced God doesn't see it as mandatory. Which makes Lady Crane's death pointless.

I'm pretty sure Jaquen didn't try to kill Arya because the Waif's death had already paid for Arya's life. Like in COK when Arya saves Jaqen, Rorge and Biter and Jaqen gives her three names to kill instead, I don't think it matters who dies but when somebody is marked for death somebody(anybody) has to die to pay for it.

As for the Theon/Reek thing, it was done much more gradually in the books and so made more sense. It wasn't just a snap decision, and I think we were supposed to see that through season five that Theon was showing signs of remembering who he was.
 
I'm pretty sure Jaquen didn't try to kill Arya because the Waif's death had already paid for Arya's life. Like in COK when Arya saves Jaqen, Rorge and Biter and Jaqen gives her three names to kill instead, I don't think it matters who dies but when somebody is marked for death somebody(anybody) has to die to pay for it.

That makes sense. I kinda expanded on the point that the name is not mandatory but a death is, for Many-Faced God. Thinking about it a bit more, Lady Crane was made to pay for her own name but since Waif added Arya's name to it, the death was completed with Waif in place of Arya. I can live with that - but I'm still allowed to grumble about entire chase scene!
 
I expect Cersei to try and burn down Kings Landing with wildfire and Jamie to kill her before she does it, fulfilling the "Little Brother" prophecy.
 
Now how quickly will Littlefinger begin to blackmail Sansa by threatening to let Jon, Rickon, and other of the Northern Lords know the role Sansa played in getting Ned killed?

They know right? She was the one who wrote the letter to Robb which sparked him to call the banners of Northern lords for war.
 
They know right? She was the one who wrote the letter to Robb which sparked him to call the banners of Northern lords for war.


Jon was off at the Wall by then. Rickon was a small lad and probably knows little of why things were happening. Do the other Lords know that it was Sansa who went to Cersei and let her know what Ned was planning. He might have ended up arrested and dead anyways (since others like Varys and Littlefinger knew) but Littlefinger might be able to spin the story into it totally being Sansa's fault or at least her having played a part in it all turning sour for Ned. Littelfinger is a master at twisting things around to his advantage.
 
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Jon Snow losing this battle would make a lot of people lose their shit. Would be funny.

I've been wondering whether the writers will go full cliche and have Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale turn up to save the day (a la Stannis beyond the wall, now I think about it). Would be quite the twist if he turned up and helped the Boltons.
Might be he turns up and kills Sansa, Jon Snow, and the Boltons - declaring himself Lord of the North.