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Cheesy said:
Sounds silly, but it's so easy to get mixed up with this sort of stuff. I also thought Daenerys was a whore who Robert had impregnated, and that was why she was trying to flee - since he wanted to kill a bastard who could steal the throne. I thought Viserys trying to be king was just him being delusional.
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That's epic level not paying attention to be honest. I mean that is skipping over HUGE plot points and conversations. Additionally did you think The Bronn Hound was teleporting around Westeros, going from Kings Landing at one point to being with Tyrion hundreds of miles away the next?

But yeah it is very easy, both in the books and show to miss things or not quite grasp the meaning of what is happening.
 
JustAFan said:
That's epic level not paying attention to be honest. I mean that is skipping over HUGE plot points and conversations. Additionally did you think The Bronn Hound was teleporting around Westeros, going from Kings Landing at one point to being with Tyrion hundreds of miles away the next?

But yeah it is very easy, both in the books and show to miss things or not quite grasp the meaning of what is happening.
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I think I figured out the Daenerys thing once it got later into the season and the dragon thing came more into focus. It was confusing at first though because it was separate from everything else.

With Bronn/the Hound, they're more peripheral characters at the start (the Hound doesn't even have 20 lines in Season 1!), and I was flying through the series to the point where certain characters sort of meshed together...especially when they were both working in KL for the Lannisters in Season 2.
 
Cheesy said:
To be fair, it's easy to get confused when you're just a casual show watcher. I remember being stunned during the Blackwater episode when the Hound and Bronn had a scene together, because until that point I'd thought they were the same character. It also took me about half a season to distinguish between Jon and Robb. When I finished, I read online that Jeor Mormont was Jorah's father, which I thought was cool since it meant they could have reunion. Only problem was that Jeor had, you know, died during that same season. It also took me ages to establish that Stannis and Renly were not Robert's sons, and were in fact his brothers.

Sounds bizarre, but it can be easy to lose certain characters in the mix when you're racing through it and trying to pay attention to everything.
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Cheesy said:
Sounds silly, but it's so easy to get mixed up with this sort of stuff. I also thought Daenerys was a whore who Robert had impregnated, and that was why she was trying to flee - since he wanted to kill a bastard who could steal the throne. I thought Viserys trying to be king was just him being delusional.
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Jesus Christ Cheesy :lol:
 
There's a serious argument in the TV thread about 'Jaqen H'aghar and will the body change to suit the face?'

Amol won't recognize logic if logic was Margaery dancing naked right in front of his bloody nose FFS
 
fishfingers15 said:
There's a serious argument in the TV thread about 'Jaqen H'aghar and will the body change to suit the face?'

Amol won't recognize logic if logic was Margaery dancing naked right in front of his bloody nose FFS
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That thread has become a joke. There are pages which consist of 30 replies in spoilers, and the other ten are probably RedSky moaning about potential spoilers.
 
Alright, Prediction time for the rest of the episodes

Ep 8 : War of the bastards with potentially Ramsay Bolton dying.
Ep 9 : Filler events and Bran learning about Tower of Joy/How to Kill Night King
Ep 10 : Cleganebowl and introduction of LSH

Ramsay Bolton
Theon Greyjoy
Littlefinger
Cersei (or Tommen)

Your move, cnuts.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Alright, Prediction time for the rest of the episodes

Ep 8 : War of the bastards with potentially Ramsay Bolton dying.
Ep 9 : Filler events and Bran learning about Tower of Joy/How to Kill Night King
Ep 10 : Cleganebowl and introduction of LSH

Ramsay Bolton
Theon Greyjoy
Littlefinger
Cersei (or Tommen)

Your move, cnuts.
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What would be the Hound's incentive to go to King's Landing though? He hates that hellhole and is very far away without a horse... And why would he fight for the Faith, just to kill his brother? Have to admit I haven't got a clue what he'd do otherwise, maybe Riverrun is an option or meeting Arya again if she returns from Braavos.

It might also be a bit too early for the war in the North - Sansa has only just written to Littlefinger (presumably), so I fear it'll take a bit longer for the Knights of the Vale to hook up with the army of Wildlings.

We'll definitely see Daenerys in action because we didn't see her this episode, I think she'll return to Meereen and we'll see Varys/Tyrion again as well.

EDIT: should this go in spoilers? I had it in a spoiler at first but the thread title says 'speculation' which is why I decided otherwise.
 
What the feck Cheesy? The Hound has visible scars and is a foot taller then Bronn. Christ! That's just silly amounts of not paying attention
 
fishfingers15 said:
Alright, Prediction time for the rest of the episodes

Ep 8 : War of the bastards with potentially Ramsay Bolton dying.
Ep 9 : Filler events and Bran learning about Tower of Joy/How to Kill Night King
Ep 10 : Cleganebowl and introduction of LSH

Ramsay Bolton
Theon Greyjoy
Littlefinger
Cersei (or Tommen)

Your move, cnuts.
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Agree with most of that.Don't think Theon will die yet.I think Rickon might though.Tormund too.Not sure about Littlefinger.Tommen has to die before Cersei.I think one of the Tyrells(probably Loras) will die too.Daenerys and Arya will finally set sail for Westeros.Outside chance of the wall coming down.
 
RobinLFC said:
What would be the Hound's incentive to go to King's Landing though? He hates that hellhole and is very far away without a horse... And why would he fight for the Faith, just to kill his brother? Have to admit I haven't got a clue what he'd do otherwise, maybe Riverrun is an option or meeting Arya again if she returns from Braavos.

It might also be a bit too early for the war in the North - Sansa has only just written to Littlefinger (presumably), so I fear it'll take a bit longer for the Knights of the Vale to hook up with the army of Wildlings.

We'll definitely see Daenerys in action because we didn't see her this episode, I think she'll return to Meereen and we'll see Varys/Tyrion again as well.

EDIT: should this go in spoilers? I had it in a spoiler at first but the thread title says 'speculation' which is why I decided otherwise.
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Hound is always driven by hate to kill his brother. He wouldn't fight for the Faith, he would just want to get his revenge when he comes to know that Mountain is not dead.
 
Danny Boi said:
Agree with most of that.Don't think Theon will die yet.I think Rickon might though.Tormund too.Not sure about Littlefinger.Tommen has to die before Cersei.I think one of the Tyrells(probably Loras) will die too.Daenerys and Arya will finally set sail for Westeros.Outside chance of the wall coming down.
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The horn/wall is a great call.

I keep thinking that Asha/Yara will go through Valyria to pick up Moqorro, but Tyrion already has a red priestess.
 
Cersei is the only character where I can clearly see what's going to happen. Bran's vision and Olenna's dialogue this week gave that away completely. The vision of the wildfire going off combined with Olenna saying "You're surrounded by enemies, thousands of them. You going to kill them all by yourself?"

She is. Cersei is going to BURN THEM ALL!
 
Shane88 said:
Cersei is the only character where I can clearly see what's going to happen. Bran's vision and Olenna's dialogue this week gave that away completely. The vision of the wildfire going off combined with Olenna saying "You're surrounded by enemies, thousands of them. You going to kill them all by yourself?"

She is. Cersei is going to BURN THEM ALL!
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She'll need pyromancers working around the clock in the next two episodes then :D
 
The siege at Tully's felt like a deja vú. Have we had one on tv already or is it because it was such a long time ago there was one in the books?
 
Cheesy said:
To be fair, it's easy to get confused when you're just a casual show watcher. I remember being stunned during the Blackwater episode when the Hound and Bronn had a scene together, because until that point I'd thought they were the same character. It also took me about half a season to distinguish between Jon and Robb. When I finished, I read online that Jeor Mormont was Jorah's father, which I thought was cool since it meant they could have reunion. Only problem was that Jeor had, you know, died during that same season. It also took me ages to establish that Stannis and Renly were not Robert's sons, and were in fact his brothers.

Sounds bizarre, but it can be easy to lose certain characters in the mix when you're racing through it and trying to pay attention to everything.
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:nervous::wenger:
 
fishfingers15 said:
Alright, Prediction time for the rest of the episodes

Ep 8 : War of the bastards with potentially Ramsay Bolton dying.
Ep 9 : Filler events and Bran learning about Tower of Joy/How to Kill Night King
Ep 10 : Cleganebowl and introduction of LSH

Ramsay Bolton
Theon Greyjoy
Littlefinger
Cersei (or Tommen)

Your move, cnuts.
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I'm pretty sure the TOJ/R+J is episode 10, the Reddit section stated the actor who played Ned is only back again for episode 10.

I think Tormund and Rickon are bankers for deaths at the 'Bastardbowl'. Ramsay will kill Rickon to prove just how much of a bad man he is, because the killing of his mother-in-law and feeding his half-brother to the dogs, or stabbing a woman in the neck with a knife, wiping it and using it to eat an apple wasn't enough proof. Tormund will die midst the battle, and Ramsay has to go, right?

Littlefinger is an interesting shout. The end-game is paramount, which means his backstories and plays have no real impact, so I could see them binning him. There'll definitely be one or two deaths in the capital. Probably the two you say.
 
Death predictions:

Tommen
Ramsay
Rickon (I think...)
Karstark lord
One of Blackfish or Edmure
Lancel
One of Loras/Margaery
Kevan and Pycelle
Daario
 
PeteReDevil said:
The siege at Tully's felt like a deja vú. Have we had one on tv already or is it because it was such a long time ago there was one in the books?
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From the shows all I can think of was the mini-siege where the Ironborn take Moat Cailin? Ramsay sends Reek in to get it back, and then ends up flaying every Ironborn. Beyond that I can't think of any from the show.

The scene between the Blackfish and Jaime was pretty consistent with the book, so I think maybe that's why you felt it so similar? Meereen is also under siege in the books at this point. It'll probably happen in the show soon too.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I'm pretty sure the TOJ/R+J is episode 10, the Reddit section stated the actor who played Ned is only back again for episode 10.

I think Tormund and Rickon are bankers for deaths at the 'Bastardbowl'. Ramsay will kill Rickon to prove just how much of a bad man he is, because the killing of his mother-in-law and feeding his half-brother to the dogs, or stabbing a woman in the neck with a knife, wiping it and using it to eat an apple wasn't enough proof. Tormund will die midst the battle, and Ramsay has to go, right?

Littlefinger is an interesting shout. The end-game is paramount, which means his backstories and plays have no real impact, so I could see them binning him. There'll definitely be one or two deaths in the capital. Probably the two you say.
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Makes sense for TOJ to come in the final episode, it'd probably be the biggest moment of the series thus far. The big battle will take place in episode 9, and the Starks will have Winterfell back in the finale.

Also, this is kind of bugging me, but why haven't the Starks tried to appeal to House Reed in the show at all? I still think we could get Manderlys because of how regularly they're being mentioned, but surely Jon and Sansa would look to appeal to Howland, who was one of Ned's most loyal followers and would've almost certainly backed him? He's kind of mysterious, granted, but you'd have thought the show would take up the opportunity to use one of the firmly established northern houses, considering we already have had (now) three characters from that said house being shown.

Also, I initially expected Tormund to die, but the problem is that if he goes then there's no recognisable Wildling character left on the show. There's Wun Wun, but I'm guessing he's too CGI'd to become more important due to financial costs. Plus, he doesn't seem to actually speak the language. It'd seem a bit late in the game to introduce someone from the wildling camp who becomes incredibly prominent. Suppose they could do it with one of the dudes from the last episode, but I think Tormund might just make it by. Ghost could be a strong candidate for death though, considering how quickly and easily Summer was offed.
 
Cheesy said:
Makes sense for TOJ to come in the final episode, it'd probably be the biggest moment of the series thus far. The big battle will take place in episode 9, and the Starks will have Winterfell back in the finale.

Also, this is kind of bugging me, but why haven't the Starks tried to appeal to House Reed in the show at all? I still think we could get Manderlys because of how regularly they're being mentioned, but surely Jon and Sansa would look to appeal to Howland, who was one of Ned's most loyal followers and would've almost certainly backed him? He's kind of mysterious, granted, but you'd have thought the show would take up the opportunity to use one of the firmly established northern houses, considering we already have had (now) three characters from that said house being shown.

Also, I initially expected Tormund to die, but the problem is that if he goes then there's no recognisable Wildling character left on the show. There's Wun Wun, but I'm guessing he's too CGI'd to become more important due to financial costs. Plus, he doesn't seem to actually speak the language. It'd seem a bit late in the game to introduce someone from the wildling camp who becomes incredibly prominent. Suppose they could do it with one of the dudes from the last episode, but I think Tormund might just make it by. Ghost could be a strong candidate for death though, considering how quickly and easily Summer was offed.
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Yeah, it is a bit strange with Howland. I hope the show doesn't omit him completely, it wouldn't make any sense after showing how pivotal he was within the Tower of Joy arc against Ser Arthur Dayne. Speaking of the Northern houses, I get the feeling the Glovers who rejected Jon this week will probably change allegiances mid-battle. They need additional support from somewhere. Maybe the Knights of the Vale can provide enough as a trump card.

That's a good point about Tormund being an accessible wildling, but, assuming Jonno and the lads retake Winterfell, is there really any need for Wildling prominent interaction? Simply having them as a force of whatever's left as fodder for the battle against the Others would be fine. All the other Northern houses will fall in line too. I refuse to believe they'll bin Ghost too. :( One of these bloody Direwolves has to make it!
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, it is a bit strange with Howland. I hope the show doesn't omit him completely, it wouldn't make any sense after showing how pivotal he was within the Tower of Joy arc against Ser Arthur Dayne. Speaking of the Northern houses, I get the feeling the Glovers who rejected Jon this week will probably change allegiances mid-battle. They need additional support from somewhere. Maybe the Knights of the Vale can provide enough as a trump card.

That's a good point about Tormund being an accessible wildling, but, assuming Jonno and the lads retake Winterfell, is there really any need for Wildling prominent interaction? Simply having them as a force of whatever's left as fodder for the battle against the Others would be fine. All the other Northern houses will fall in line too. I refuse to believe they'll bin Ghost too. :( One of these bloody Direwolves has to make it!
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Possibly. I don't think they need to include Howland, but completely omitting Manderly would be a major mistake considering how often they've been referenced. They're essentially a tipping point in the battle now, and more importantly, I think we need one big Northern house to be completely and unequivocally for the Starks. No "I need a true Stark", no "You let Wildlings through", no "Well, the WW's are coming". To do the North Remembers plot correctly, I think there's got to be a house demonstrating complete and utter loyalty to the Starks through thick and thin.

Even before the Vale comes in (which they inevitably will), I still don't see how Ramsay doesn't destroy Jon's current army. Ramsay's bunch appear to be fairly united and have larger numbers. Only way for it to work would be an Umber betrayal, but I've kinda given up on that at this point.

The battle will almost certainly end with Littlefinger bizarrely coming to save the day. Only question is whether it's initially balanced by an Umber betrayal or Manderly declaration for the Starks.
 
Cheesy said:
Makes sense for TOJ to come in the final episode, it'd probably be the biggest moment of the series thus far. The big battle will take place in episode 9, and the Starks will have Winterfell back in the finale.

Also, this is kind of bugging me, but why haven't the Starks tried to appeal to House Reed in the show at all? I still think we could get Manderlys because of how regularly they're being mentioned, but surely Jon and Sansa would look to appeal to Howland, who was one of Ned's most loyal followers and would've almost certainly backed him? He's kind of mysterious, granted, but you'd have thought the show would take up the opportunity to use one of the firmly established northern houses, considering we already have had (now) three characters from that said house being shown.

Also, I initially expected Tormund to die, but the problem is that if he goes then there's no recognisable Wildling character left on the show. There's Wun Wun, but I'm guessing he's too CGI'd to become more important due to financial costs. Plus, he doesn't seem to actually speak the language. It'd seem a bit late in the game to introduce someone from the wildling camp who becomes incredibly prominent. Suppose they could do it with one of the dudes from the last episode, but I think Tormund might just make it by. Ghost could be a strong candidate for death though, considering how quickly and easily Summer was offed.
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It's because the Greywater Watch is constantly moving (almost a Lost like Island) and it's damn hard to figure out where it is unless you have crannogmen on your side.


Cheesy said:
Death predictions:

Tommen
Ramsay
Rickon (I think...)
Karstark lord
One of Blackfish or Edmure
Lancel
One of Loras/Margaery
Kevan and Pycelle
Daario
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I think they'll retain Tormund too, Updated list considering all characters

Tommen or Cersei
Ramsay
Lord of Karstark family
Edmure
Mountain/Robert Snow
One of Qyburn/Pycelle
Theon Greyjoy
Littlefinger
 
fishfingers15 said:
It's because the Greywater Watch is constantly moving (almost a Lost like Island) and it's damn hard to figure out where it is unless you have crannogmen on your side.

I think they'll retain Tormund too, Updated list considering all characters.
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Yeah, I like the mysteriousness of the Reeds, but I find it kinda weird that Jon and Sansa have kinda just forgotten about trying to appeal to them. And yeah, I tentatively think Tormund will survive.

If he makes it beyond this season then he'll be made a Lord of either the Karstark or Umber lands.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah, I like the mysteriousness of the Reeds, but I find it kinda weird that Jon and Sansa have kinda just forgotten about trying to appeal to them. And yeah, I tentatively think Tormund will survive.

If he makes it beyond this season then he'll be made a Lord of either the Karstark or Umber lands.
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I hope their thinking is that they can't afford to waste time searching for Greywater watch
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah, I like the mysteriousness of the Reeds, but I find it kinda weird that Jon and Sansa have kinda just forgotten about trying to appeal to them. And yeah, I tentatively think Tormund will survive.

If he makes it beyond this season then he'll be made a Lord of either the Karstark or Umber lands.
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Greywater Watch is in the Neck which is pretty far down South, and like already mentioned pretty impossible to find without crannogmen. Their journey didn't make any sense though: they visited Bear Island and Deepwood Motte, fair enough as that's very close to eachother. But they mentioned something about securing Hornwood troops as well but you practically need to pass Winterfell if you want to go from Deepwood Motte to Hornwood, which is south of the Dreadfort... But maybe they've sent a raven of course which makes it believable again.

I don't think they'll give a Lordship to Tormund, and even if they will, I doubt he'd agree because that would mean he has to bend the knee to the Warden of the North and the eventual King. Can't see him doing that.
 
To be fair, the journey between the places and the time it takes to do so is atrocious in the show. I watched the after the show episodes by HBO and it does seem that Asha and Theon Greyjoy are in fact in Volantis. feck me, they started from Pyke, circled Old Town and Kingslanding, Dragonstone and reached all the way to Volantis in quick time. Then Mereen would be just a stone's throw away.
 
Little finger is the worst for it. The guy has travelled over 1000 miles in this season alone.
 
I think Jon Snow will somehow get the alliance of the Glovers. In the books, Jon Snow figures out that the Karstarks have betrayed Stannis Baratheon to Ramsay Bolton and tells him not to attack Dreadfort. Stannis then attacks Deepwood Motte and gives it to the Glovers. Stannis thereby gains the support of Glovers and the Mormonts. While the show has taken a different direction to the book plot, they sort of tie up things so that it kind of happens on a similar level.

I do foresee a situation on which the Karstarks/Umbers telling Ramsay Bolton than Mormonts and Glovers have possibly gone over, causing Ramsay to attack Glovers land. Jon Snow then comes to the aid of Glovers to drive away the Bolton forces. That sort of helping hand is required to have the Northern families fight alongside Wildlings and possibly cement Jon Snow's support from Mormonts, Glovers, Manderlys and other small families. Bran along with Meera comes back to Greywater watch, getting the support of Howland Reed and the crannogmen. I think that's enough to win against the Boltons. Ramsay hasn't made a mistake yet on the show. Not sure when Sansa's going for it, but getting support from Eyrie or the Riverrun may not arrive in time, especially if the Boltons hold Dreadfort, Moat Cailin and Deepwood Motte.
 
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