Hiya mate, I don't understand those references at all. Are you suggesting
that white walkers are underwater as well?
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Hiya mate, I don't understand those references at all. Are you suggesting
I thought
White walkers would smash the wall down with the horn of winter or whatever it is called?
Do they even possess that ?
Haven't got a clue, I thought it was missing or something and they need to find it in order to break down the wall? I can't remember where I have heard that from I've not even read the books.
I'm guessing that this season's King's landing plot will end with
those Sand Snakes we haven't seen in a while popping up to murder Tommen?
Doubt the Others will use it.
Dont know why that convo is in spoilers.
The horn of winter is still missing in the books, Mance Raiders was a fake and destroyed by Mellisandre wasn't it?
and i dont think its been mentioned at all in the tv series.
I figured they'd just send their billion wights to punch down the doors - they seem to be pretty good at it, that door Hodor hodored looked pretty thick.
Same with the Gates at ... the town north of the wall at the end of last season.
The horn of winter is still missing in the books, Mance Raiders was a fake and destroyed by Mellisandre wasn't it?
and i dont think its been mentioned at all in the tv series.
I figured they'd just send their billion wights to punch down the doors - they seem to be pretty good at it, that door Hodor hodored looked pretty thick.
Same with the Gates at ... the town north of the wall at the end of last season.
Or have the feckers scurry up it. Hundreds of thousands of undead wildlings climbing the wall exorcist style.
I think his has the biggest reason, because he is the only one with genuine threat. Ramsay was just a sadistic bastard - in both meanings of the word - all he has done is make a few blunders militarily speaking whilst making Theon a eunuch and raping a peasant with dogs. Book Ramsay that is, not the overlord in the shows. Joffrey was simply a spoiled inbred pup, who got a kick or two out of beating up girls.
Whilst Euron has a real plan, with the capacity to meet it - he has basically travelled everywhere, has Shade of the Evening, and generally induced with probably the most elements of magic a person in the show has. Euron can genuinely be a threat to the world, and it seems he'll take stock as one of the main villains for a while - far more so than Joffrey or Ramsay who simply do so on more of a personal level.
fecking hope so. Everything about him pisses me off.
I thought it was a decent episode.
Sam taking Heartsbane, Benjen Stark's appearance (feck you very much TV show, should have been coldhands), Jaime going to Riverrun (finally), Arya's choice made with the faceless gods, and Tommen and Margaery turning to faith were all reasonable developments. Also, first time Danerys becomes a dragon rider (understand the hate towards repeated speeches but still thought since she's controlling the dragon first time) make it a pretty eventful episode. Didn't see the show thread yet, but I'd feel a bit if they think it's a filler because there are no big fighting involved.
'Burn them all' by Aerys with greenfire seems a bit ominous. Hopefully it just ties back to R + = J instead of Bran meddling with the Mad king.
Sam taking Heartsbane, Benjen Stark's appearance (feck you very much TV show, should have been coldhands), Jaime going to Riverrun (finally), Arya's choice made with the faceless gods, and Tommen and Margaery turning to faith were all reasonable developments. Also, first time Danerys becomes a dragon rider (understand the hate towards repeated speeches but still thought since she's controlling the dragon first time) make it a pretty eventful episode. Didn't see the show thread yet, but I'd feel a bit if they think it's a filler because there are no big fighting involved.
'Burn them all' by Aerys with greenfire seems a bit ominous. Hopefully it just ties back to R + = J instead of Bran meddling with the Mad king.
What's Sam's role in this? There has to be some significance to him taking Heartsbane...any history behind that sword?
So we have:
Longclaw - Jon
Heartsbane - Sam
Oathkeeper - Brienne
Darksister - Meera ??
Widow's Wail - Tommen
How many white walkers are there now? Just about enough swords to meet them in battle
So we have:
Longclaw - Jon
Heartsbane - Sam
Oathkeeper - Brienne
Darksister - Meera ??
Widow's Wail - Tommen
How many white walkers are there now? Just about enough swords to meet them in battle
There are at least 11 Others left in the show. There are a few more Valyrian blades we know of but all of them are in the books. Dark Sister included.What's Sam's role in this? There has to be some significance to him taking Heartsbane...any history behind that sword?
So we have:
Longclaw - Jon
Heartsbane - Sam
Oathkeeper - Brienne
Darksister - Meera ??
Widow's Wail - Tommen
How many white walkers are there now? Just about enough swords to meet them in battle
When did Meera get darksister?
There are hundreds of valyrian blades in Westeros.
There are hundreds of valyrian blades in Westeros.
We know of 7 valyrian steel blades, one arakh, one dagger and one axe and there are 7 more known swords with an unknown fate (dark sister belongs to that group): http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_steel
Hooowever in the same article is this thought of Tywin: "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone." They are not as rare as people make them out to be.
I also doubt they found the dragonglass and that it can kill WW just for fun. And we might get dragons fighting them.. i'm also not really convinced a WW is completely immune against steel.
Hooowever in the same article is this thought of Tywin: "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone." They are not as rare as people make them out to be.
I also doubt they found the dragonglass and that it can kill WW just for fun. And we might get dragons fighting them.. i'm also not really convinced a WW is completely immune against steel.
Just speculation mate going off from the TV show. Possibly reading too much into it. It's hard to keep the book and tv show separate for me now, everything is merging unfortunately.
Anyway, not too important.
Meera grabs a sword which was lying around. Since BloodRaven is thought to be Brynden Rivers who was the last known wielder of darksister...and given the unlikeliness that there'll be a sword just lying around in that cave...put two and two together and come up with five
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You know what is interesting? In the books, Valyrian steel is actually black.
sounds silly, but what is the rules for this thread?
Put spoiler on anything about unaired episodes (including trailers),
casting news and things like that should be in spoilers and marked as casting news
The few released chapters from Winds of Winter and discussion on them should be in spoilers
Think thats it
Maybe @Cina can add a few
I put it in spoilers cos I am super wary now having been banned from the TV thread for saying I don't think they'll include LSH in the show in spoilers.
Same, I'm not sure what the line is since people are at different points.
Its funny but just seeing that somebody had posted a 'casting news' spoiler last week pretty much confirmed for me we'd be seeing Benjen in ep6 without even reading it.
Yeah, pretty much. Someone putting "casting news" around a spoiler essentially tells me to expect someone big/unexpected the following week. I'd much rather just have, "Don't open for spoilers" or something similar.
Just saw the episode, it was good to see Benjen back and to see Randall Tarly but didn't really like the rest of it. Where do people think they are going with the Arya situation, surely she cannot have all that training and then leave the Faceless men, that would be pointless?
Benjen was okay, preferred Coldhands from the book though. But who knows maybe Benjen shows back up in one of the last two books also.
Arya, well her training might be cut short, maybe it is all part of her training. Her desire to join those who serve the many face god has always been somewhat selfish in that she wanted to learn so she could kill her enemies. So it would be no shock if she ends up not being able to finish her training.
If faceless dood is all that wise, it should have been pretty obvious to him that that life ain't cut out for her. Could be he wanted to help her anyway, she saved his life right?
yes she did, assuming this is the same faceless dude and not some other faceless dude using that other faceless dude's face. Technically the 3 deaths are Harrenhal were to repay Arya for saving his life. Though he also gave her the coin to get her to Bravos if she ever wanted to use it.
I don't know, she's definitely a different person now, compared to when she left Westeros. She used to be fueled by anger and hatred, thinking about revenge and death all the time. She's not exactly cheerful now, but she admitted to the Waif that her list is much shorter now and she was emotional during the play. She was never going to become a Faceless Man. That doesn't make that experience pointless though, as long as the character is developed in some way. Actually, the fact that she couldn't go through with it, shows us that Arya is still there, that there's still life in her.
Plus, chances are, she'll use some of the things she's learned there in the future.
Yeah, the experience(?) was definitely worth it for Arya's development, it's just the show made her do pretty much the same thing for a good two seasons.
- Clean dead bodies
- Get beat up by the Waif
- Who are you? No-one etc. etc.
- Kill this person, don't disobey us! Disobeys.
- Get blind, get beaten up by the Waif again
- Are you no-one? Yes, yes.
- Okay now you can kill someone again, don't disobey this time!! Disobeys.
- Clean dead bodies
- Get beat up by the Waif
- Who are you? No-one etc. etc.
- Kill this person, don't disobey us! Disobeys.
- Get blind, get beaten up by the Waif again
- Are you no-one? Yes, yes.
- Okay now you can kill someone again, don't disobey this time!! Disobeys.
A lot of people thought Coldhands WAS Benjen. I think this proves the theory for two reasons.
1) Benjen in the show other than not riding a moose, has the blackened hands that give Coldhands his name. If you missed it, it's the first thing I looked for. The tell-tale signs of frostbite on his hands are there, they are not black but they are darker grey than the rest of him.
2) The mystery of Benjen/Coldhands in the books was still there. If in season 3 when Coldhands was supposed to show up, shows up as Benjen, then that mystery is gone. It makes perfect sense in that light for GRRM to stipulate that Coldhands can't show up until the show passed the books, or GRRM got his next book out.
Oh, I'm aware that GRRM probably said they are not one and the same in a response to an editor, but the editor did ask like 4 questions, and the no could be to any of them. Also, the fact that this editor ended up leaking the comment means that it's also plausible that GRRM is misdirecting.
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I don't think the editor leaked the comment. From what I remember, the manuscript of ADWD is in some library and a fan happened to get access to it. May be wrong though.
What's Sam's role in this? There has to be some significance to him taking Heartsbane...any history behind that sword?
So we have:
Longclaw - Jon
Heartsbane - Sam
Oathkeeper - Brienne
Darksister - Meera ??
Widow's Wail - Tommen
How many white walkers are there now? Just about enough swords to meet them in battle
There is a theory that Littlefinger stole Widow's wail after the purple wedding to give to Sansa
It's was a definitive no, suggesting all questions were wrong.
GRRM likely doesn't care enough about Benjen to misdirected his fans by falsely leaking his editors notes. Benjen was never that big or interesting of a character.
There were only 2 questions and both about the same thing: https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Cushing-Coldhands-is-NOT-Benjen.jpg
I mean if someone asked him these 2 questions at a reading and he just says "no" I'd say ok, maybe the no is because there's another reason Bran doesn't recongnize him and he wants to misdirect us / keep it open.
But when it's a comment for the editor? Don't think so.
I mean if someone asked him these 2 questions at a reading and he just says "no" I'd say ok, maybe the no is because there's another reason Bran doesn't recongnize him and he wants to misdirect us / keep it open.
But when it's a comment for the editor? Don't think so.
He also wrote the No next to the Benjen question. Coldhands is somebody more interesting most likely.
Hmm well that's new. Hadn't come across that theory before.
Also, is Harry the heir even relevant any more? He was to be betrothed to Sansa and with that marriage, Winterfell and the Vale become one. So wondering how the knights of the Vale come into play now.
As hilarious as I found your complete lack of understanding for the spoiler policy you were correctly banned. Every week you popped up with theories that were 100% based on book theories. Show viewers should have no knowledge of LSH so you shouldn't have posted theories based on her, in spoiler tags or not.
Ramsay Bolton Wanderer's on Soccer Aid haha, will he skin anyone?
Someone's taken screenshots of Bran's visions in the recent episode. If anyone's interested, here's the link