Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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Who is damphair?
Endgame is Mace "The Prince that was Promised" Tyrell sitting on the throne after killing the Night King in single combat.
Aeron Greyjoy, religious Ironborn guy.
What was the chapter about?
Man, all these new characters just confuses the whole plot.
That chapter got me really hyped, would love to read it myself.
Cliffsnotes are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4lltk4/spoilers_everything_via_bryndenbfish_grrm_has/
I read a much more detailed version at work, don't remember where that was though.
Cliffsnotes are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4lltk4/spoilers_everything_via_bryndenbfish_grrm_has/
I read a much more detailed version at work, don't remember where that was though.
I wish he would release the whole book instead of releasing single chapters. Can he not attend these stupid events on concentrate on completing the book?
Euron is sick!!!
Predictable.
Will be very disappointed if it turns out Euront is just naturally evil, without any connection to The Others.
His cruelty seems to go beyond what's natural. Joffrey's fecked up, Ramsay doubly so but we can somewhat understand their motivations and influences. Euron seems to be much more extreme without an adequate reason behind it.
In the show thread they keep using the phrase filler but I don't think it means what they think it does. Only Sam's part felt forced all the rest was what most of us would call setting the table, setting up the storylines, etc.
Also Amol having to have things explained to him once again.
Also Amol having to have things explained to him once again.
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Not sure on Bran making him go crazy. Already established in the Jaime and Ned exchange that the King went madder as time went on. So unless Bran goes further back probably years before the burn them all scene he won't be the cause.
Yep.
The Mad King started getting mad long before he 'burned them all', and went completely mad after he got held hostage by some Lord (with Ser Barristan Sel,y saving him).
If he had Bran damage (at least in the books), then it should have happened a long time before he burned Ned's father and brother.
It was good to see Randyll Tarly, and Sam taking Heartsbane was great, but there was way too much time spent on that. Some serious editing needed there, especially when it's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things.
The KL stuff was quite anti-climactic. Is Tommen really following the faith now, or is he just sucking up to Margaery? It's a bizarre character turn if he's genuine, considering he's spoken to the HS about...what, twice? Especially after what they did to his mother. My guess is Margaery's playing them.
Seeing Benjen was good. Pretty big moment considering how long he's been gone for in the books etc. First Mad King glimpse too.
Daenerys' stuff was pointless. Starting to think Jorah's attempt to win her love is a metaphor for Daenerys' progress to Westeros. We know they're fecking following you ffs.
Anyone else think the dialogue was a bit...off, in places? Margaery and Tommen's scene was a bit crap, with lines like "I sound mad" and "You're the best person I know", that'd ideally belong in a high school chick flick.
The KL stuff was quite anti-climactic. Is Tommen really following the faith now, or is he just sucking up to Margaery? It's a bizarre character turn if he's genuine, considering he's spoken to the HS about...what, twice? Especially after what they did to his mother. My guess is Margaery's playing them.
Seeing Benjen was good. Pretty big moment considering how long he's been gone for in the books etc. First Mad King glimpse too.
Daenerys' stuff was pointless. Starting to think Jorah's attempt to win her love is a metaphor for Daenerys' progress to Westeros. We know they're fecking following you ffs.
Anyone else think the dialogue was a bit...off, in places? Margaery and Tommen's scene was a bit crap, with lines like "I sound mad" and "You're the best person I know", that'd ideally belong in a high school chick flick.
Why would the Others be behind it. That's assuming the others are inherently evil which they are likely not.
Euron is like most serial killers when their sick fantasies aren't shackled by the strict laws and punishments of today's society. I'm sure there are real people who are like him.
I see in him a common disregard for all decency and the law of man like Craster, only turned up to 11. Think the association with ghostly beings like those must change you in some ways.
Or he arrived at this present insanity by himself. Which would feel inadequate, for me.
Evil disposition, plus power, plus insanity, plus being off his tits on Shade of the Evening = Euron Greyjoy
30 minutes in and I just can't stomach it anymore. They're racing through the narrative and yet every scene is such a drag. I'm not sure how much of the story I want to have revealed to me when it's told this poorly. I'd love to just wait it out until the next book but I'll probably run into spoilers on social media and that's even shitter than actually sitting through this stuff. This is fecked.
Lacking confirmation from people who were at the reading but apparently this is the transcript of the chapter: https://angrygotfan.com/2016/05/29/the-winds-of-winter-the-damphair-part-1/
Seems so.
Euron is a real shit house.
Euron is a real shit house.
Enjoyed that, getting the feeling again this is actually going someplace.
Yup
Always though LSH would end up appearing in the show and it's looking more and more like it'll happen now. Brienne and Jaime both heading in the right direction, the BWB being mentioned again, the Frey's making a reappearance (while helpfully pointing out the roll those two goons had in the RW)....
Leaving LSH, Cold hands and even the Greyjoys to this point makes more sense now in terms of how their plots link up with others....
Leaving LSH, Cold hands and even the Greyjoys to this point makes more sense now in terms of how their plots link up with others....
Yeah, might have been a bit too crammed in Season 5. Personally, I think it'd have made much more sense for all of ASOS to be covered in Season 3 with a 15 episode season, and then another 15 episode season covering most of books 4/5 with any extra stuff they wanted to throw in from TWOW or earlier. Can understand they maybe had limitations though.
I don't think LSH will appear in the show. They'll just do the Riverlands storyline without her. The Brotherhood will just be led by Thoros. I don't think the story would lose much. She was never particularly interesting and it's pointless to have her after Jon has been resurrected. Her only purpose would be to shock the viewers now and most of them probably have heard or read something about her by now, anyway.
I also don't see Bran having anything to do with the Mad King, either. I see why some people might take the visions as a clue to that but I just think the whole idea is really stupid. I don't think Martin would do it. There's also no need for it at all. His madness and the reasons behind it has been explained pretty well and were never a mystery, like the Hodor thing. A Bran intervention is simply not needed there. It works without it. Specifically the "Burn them all" line is better explained in the books and the reason behind it is mostly to spite Robert (let him be king over burned bones or something like that) and because of Aerys's belief that he'd be reborn as a dragon in the fire.
For me, the visions were more so to emphasize (once again) the ice/fire dichotomy and show that neither is good. They're both dangerous extremes that humanity needs to overcome and can't embrace either. Which, on a more specific plotwise level, applies to the Others and the Dragons (Danny). Neither extreme is the favoured one. I see a lot of people are catching up on what I've always been saying - that Danny is a murderous psychopath (I was exaggerating at first, but she's getting there) and will only become worse. That doesn't mean the The Others are any less evil than they've been presented as, however. It's a duality, Yin and Yang. One is not better or worse.
Moreover, If you take the visions as a whole, the Aerys bits were alternated with visions of ice and the Others. It was a series of quick hits of both extremities with a ToJ bit in between, presumably suggesting that Jon is the balance between the two. But I might be reaching there.
I also don't see Bran having anything to do with the Mad King, either. I see why some people might take the visions as a clue to that but I just think the whole idea is really stupid. I don't think Martin would do it. There's also no need for it at all. His madness and the reasons behind it has been explained pretty well and were never a mystery, like the Hodor thing. A Bran intervention is simply not needed there. It works without it. Specifically the "Burn them all" line is better explained in the books and the reason behind it is mostly to spite Robert (let him be king over burned bones or something like that) and because of Aerys's belief that he'd be reborn as a dragon in the fire.
For me, the visions were more so to emphasize (once again) the ice/fire dichotomy and show that neither is good. They're both dangerous extremes that humanity needs to overcome and can't embrace either. Which, on a more specific plotwise level, applies to the Others and the Dragons (Danny). Neither extreme is the favoured one. I see a lot of people are catching up on what I've always been saying - that Danny is a murderous psychopath (I was exaggerating at first, but she's getting there) and will only become worse. That doesn't mean the The Others are any less evil than they've been presented as, however. It's a duality, Yin and Yang. One is not better or worse.
Moreover, If you take the visions as a whole, the Aerys bits were alternated with visions of ice and the Others. It was a series of quick hits of both extremities with a ToJ bit in between, presumably suggesting that Jon is the balance between the two. But I might be reaching there.
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If Beric isn't still in charge of the BWB on the show they're going to have to come up with an explanation for why Thoros couldn't keep him around anymore, assuming Stoneheart isn't in the show.
I forgot that he's alive in the show, that's why I went for Thoros. Either way, it works fine without LSH for me. Moreover, Brienne saved Sansa in the show, who is now safe, and also found Arya and knows that she's also alive. So, what is the point of LSH then? Wasn't her beef with her because she couldn't find her daughters?
I'm quite looking forward to the Riverlands now, hopefully Jaime can become a relevant character again and as awesome as he is in the books. The love-in with Cersei in KL is irritating me - hopefully they engineer his abandonment of her in some way while he's out there.
I agree. They could've sent him there much sooner though. Him missing from KL this seasons would not have made any difference to the outcome there. He was absolutely pointless. Anyway, there's still hope for his character. If I'm not mistaken his redemption arc began during the Riverrun siege, when he ended up respecting the Blackfish more than his Frey "allies".
They fecked Jaime' character arc completely in the show.
Might be there's still time to save it, but he needs to find out what Cersei got up to while he was gone. It's kind of bizarre the way the show has turned their relationship into one of the more conventional love stories in the series.
I did find myself going "what the feck?" during the scene where they're dogging into each other and romantic music comes on, I mean, have the writers actually forgotten that they're twin brother and sister or what?
It'd perhaps be excusable if they were trying to take two genuinely decent characters and portray them as being unjustly persecuted or something...but the romantic aspect is all the more weird when Cersei is a villain, and their relationship has caused some awful stuff. "Remember that time we tried to murder a kid?", or "Remember that time we made a murderous psychopath?"
I'm not sure the writers know how to approach Jaime or Cersei. Jaime's been bad enough, but it's almost like they want us to root for Cersei. Which is bizarre because she's still the same smug, self-obsessed character she is from the books, even if the she actually care for Tommen and it's been toned down from what she's like in the books.
They really fecked up by having Tyrion depart KL without telling Jaime about Lancel, etc. I can't think why they might have done that except to save the Cersei-Jaime love story for TV viewers.
For anyone interested in how the whitewalkers will bypass the wall
At hardhome Cotter reported that there are 'dead things in the woods and dead things in the water'
Its backed by Patchface songs were he says - "Under the sea the crows are white as snow"
The "Moon boy for all I know" line properly made me laugh, especially as Jamie kept repeating it in his head (?). The two actors would have done great with an equivalent in the show too, alas.
That said, I'm enjoying this season a lot, miles better than last year's. Thought (for a change), the scenes with Sam and Arya were the highlights of the last episode.
So with Jon/Sansa apparently going to take back the North from Ramsay, won't he be directly pitted against Dany and her dragons and Euron? Then the white walkers coming down as well..ice and fire and the Starks in the middle.
I'm confused.
The way things are going, Tyrion will probably get on a dragon and burn Dany down and Jon will become the new night king and then become best of pals. Argh.
I'm confused.
The way things are going, Tyrion will probably get on a dragon and burn Dany down and Jon will become the new night king and then become best of pals. Argh.