Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Gol123 said:
I don't buy that Jon Snow is a prophesised saviour. I don't buy that The Others are bad guys either. I don't even buy that there will be a big war in the end of the book series.

There are three things we know about GRRM.

1) He's a hippy
2) He was unlucky in love
3) He hates clichés in fantasy

The first is shown all throughout the book series. Its essentially an anti war piece which highlights the monsters within humanity during war. There are no heroes and there are no good guys. He bangs that over your head with a lead mallet all of the time because he is a hippy and like a hippy he wants people to know his views on things.

The second is also shown. Any character with any sort of love interest or is driven by love is murdered brutally and/or their image of love and their love is destroyed brutally. It makes sense for a guy whose ex girlfriend cheated on him with his best friend.

The third he has stated all of the time in almost every interview he has. He hates the whole "Good guys team up to fight the big bad guys behind a prophesised hero" cliché and said he didn't want to write a story about that. That's why it is very unlikely that any character in his books are actually anything more then what they are in the books and there probably wont be some great battle against the evil Others and their undead army. Or if there is, he will do it in a way that makes the readers shift their opinions on humanities goodness in this conflict.

Also, The Others being human makes sense. Humans have mated with The Others in the book and its pretty impossible to mate and breed with a different species then your own.

Another little thing for people. GRRM's other work is Sci Fi. aSoIaF is his first ever published series that is not Sci Fi. in all of his other series as well (Which he has stolen a lot of things from to use in aSoIaF) hive minded races are predominantly the "bad guys" so to speak. Rather, hive minded races are always in direct conflict with humanity. The only hive minded race in his current series are The Children of the Forest. Make of it what you will.
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Good post Gol.

I agree with much of it. I think that there will be a war in the end, but it will be very different to what we are predicting. It won't definitely be Jon and Danny team up and destroy the Others.
 
Well, of course not. Who expects that, apart from the show watchers? Like feck would those two ever see eye to eye on anything. Danny is an absolute psycho that destroys anything she comes near. No way she gets in a team with anyone.

Chances are though, Martin won't ever finish it and we'll be left with the show's preferred ending - a CGI-orgy of a battle between twenty good White Walkers, led by Ramsay and Dragons, flown by the bad pussays. During a wedding, leaving no one alive. With live commentary from Tyrion and Bronn. Who wins?

Brann obviously, cause he can do whatever fecking pleases him now.
 
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Assuming that Martin doesn't decide to go for 8 books, then I think that it will be finished. I am expecting Winds at the beginning of next year.
 
DM07 said:
I hate the entire time travel / predestined / affecting the past bullshit. I was okay with Bran able to see past visions but I hate the fact that some of the things only happened because Bran travelled into the past. I hope this is the end of his time traveling adventures although I did like the fact that we got to see more of the past.

It increasingly feels as if we're approaching the conclusion of the series which is a good thing as there are only 15 episodes left (?). The reveal of the origins of Others, the Hodor story, Rickon coming back, Benjen coming back, Sansa and John uniting, Stannis, Roose, and a few others dead, the TOJ scene, it all is coming together now. Hoping that the 6th book is out before 2017 though.
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Have I missed something?
 
TheGame said:
I thought Bran couldn't be seen in flashbacks?
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He couldn't but young Hodor sees him after Bran starts warging present day Hodor, presumably because he's using young Hodor as a conduit which would explain Hodor becoming Hodored.
 
harshad said:
Brewlio's Convo

Welcome. It's about time we has something like this, all them fecking spoilers have out me off remotely discussing anything in them Nazi modded threads. The so-called 'purists' are killing it for everyone imo.

This is ALMOST an anything goes convo. Feel free to openly discuss theories, storylines, predictions etc to your hearts content. But if you have any ITK shizzle that hasn't gone down yet please have a bit of sense and spoiler it (adding a title to the spider that won't give the game away). Same goes for Internet articles, feel free to post them but spoiler them. Chances are some of us will want to read them, but not everyone will.

This convo is about open discussion, not fecking upcoming episodes/storylines for everybody.

Nothing from this convo should be making its way into either the TV or book threads in the Entertainment forum (or I'll keeeeeeeeeeeel ya!)

But this ain't a mega serious convo, let's have a bit of fun asking the way. We need tits! But please spoiler them as well lads as some of yers will be at work (office environments etc)

Valor Tardghulis - I'm sure that phrase is self explanatory

Tag him in a post if you want to be join that convo.
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@brewlio Can I get added to that, please?
 
No, pretty sure they said he's out. Then again a lot of places were confirming Aeron was out too and Euron would basically be all three of them.
 
TheGame said:
Do people think:

Vicatarion Greyjoy will make an appearance at any time in the tv show?
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Nah, he's got Sand Snaked with Euron.

To be fair, there is no reason for him to be there considering that Euron can easily do the Victarion things. He's essentially the less evil version of Euron.
 
There's not much going down in the convo (apart from that ex copper weirdo DavidG going down on everyone). I'll add yers all the same lads.
 
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