Oh, my post was far more of a generic one about the character rather than the discrepancies with show viewers. I do agree with your general assessment - they've definitely become desensitised to (season 3 onward) unnecessary death scenes that the small tidbits of intrigue is generally lost upon them. Gone are the times of trying to figure out character motives or assessing grey arcs because everything is now so black and white. And because this sort of view is one of a majority than minority the rest of the show will certainly follow suit - show viewers have no want to channel in on the details; Hodor, Bloodraven etc. if it doesn't directly relate to one of the end game power players. (It actually does because Bran is one but you see my point)
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But he's not mysterious at all. In the books, he's suspected of killing Balon, he's got a crew of mutes, a weird eye, he's traveled the world and gone to mysterious lands, and he carries a horn that can call/tame dragons. In the show, he kills his brother, admits it, and no one's bothered. Then he wants to kill his niece and nephew, which again no one is bothered about. Aeron is ok with all of this so that eliminates that bit of potential complexity if they've abandoned Victarion and the rest of the drama associated with Euron.
It's typical of his posts, he seems to understand very little of what he sees on the screen unless it is spoon fed to him, then hates everything else. Starting to think he might be trolling over there. Odd thing is that he complained about Euron's opening scene after it happened because he could not figure out who he was and what he is up to, despite it being pretty damn clear, now suddenly that the explanation of his goals are pretty darn clear he is uninteresting.
you are right, but only we know all that about Euron. Not the show watchers
Agreed.
I said he was disappointing, not the show watchers. The criticism there was that he is uninteresting, which is true, at least for now.
Given the amount of time the show has left, I'm starting to wonder if the white walkers won't actually be the final focus. Kind of a crackpot theory - but if they're spending so much time building the battle in the North, and the inevitable battle at Kings Landing when Dany rocks up with the Ironborn and Dragons, and THEN the inevitable battle between whatever shakes down in the North and Dany once she's torched the South...could the Fire and Ice actually just be Dany v Jon?
Ie, will Bran somehow 'fix' the Walkers all himself?
I just don't see how they can fit all that 'human' struggle into this season to allow them to focus on the undead horde next season. I fear a simple sweeping up of the Zombie apocalypse
Ie, will Bran somehow 'fix' the Walkers all himself?
I just don't see how they can fit all that 'human' struggle into this season to allow them to focus on the undead horde next season. I fear a simple sweeping up of the Zombie apocalypse
There's plenty of time to tackle all angles IMO, They would bring everything to an end in the final two episodes so I think they'll be ok.
The timeline issue for everything now is going to be interesting. Euron wants a fleet of 1000 ships. Even putting all his people to work on it, how fast can that be done? Given a huge chunk of the existing fleet just sailed away, with we can only assume a good portion of the crews, even given that most Iron Born are experienced sailors, he also has to man those 1000 ships. So if his 1000 ships are to be the key to getting Dany to Westeros, from a timeline perspective it is not going to happen soon. Now in the world of Westeros maybe ships can be built quite quickly and the Iron Born have plenty of wood and manpower to get the job done, so it can all happen soon, but if not Euron's story could stagnate as he waits for his ships to be built.
I don't think the show takes details such as realistic time spans into much consideration. Littlefinger was at the Eyrie last episode and at the Wall in this one, which are literally half of Westeros apart. That should be taking weeks.
Damn, that Hodor story went straight home. Hold the door -> Hodor. Amazing
yeah and sometimes it is not always obvious how much time might have passed in between episodes. I think the Sansa sewing bit was supposed to indicate some passage of time, since she made herself a new dress and a cloak for Jon. Not that it was supposed to be a huge chunk of time, but some sort of time.
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Is it confirmed to be Aeron, or are we just assuming said Drowned Priest is him? In the books Aeron hates him because it's pretty overt that Euron molested him as a child.
I was more annoyed about Summer's death than Hodor. He was a tedious character and I thought the direwolves would have greater significance. If they do the same to Ghost, I will be pissed.
The IMDB credits him as Aeron.
Oh wow. I guess that's just another part of the Iron Islands plot they've glossed over.
He is casted as Damphair/Aeron Greyjoy so I guess it's him.
@brewlio has started a conversation with open minded show watchers who are not turned off by spoilers
They have a bigger role in the books, which is normal. They are not suitable for the TV medium. They could've given Summer a better send-off though. It looked kind of silly and pointless, especially compared to Hodor's heroics.
His death has a nice symbolic meaning though. Summer is gone, winter has come.
Speaking of the Direwolves, does anyone think show Nymeria will ever have a role to play? Or is she just gone forever, like Gendry?
I'd like a piece of that.@brewlio has started a conversation with open minded show watchers who are not turned off by spoilers
I'm hoping Brienne going to Riverrun sort of brings Lady Stone Heart and Nymeria back to the show focus.
Maybe if she plays an important role in the books, which I don't think will be the case. The direwolves CGI costs a lot, plus it's hard to give them much screen time without them starting to look fake and silly imo. The show has always featured them only when absolutely necessary. I don't think they'd be asking for more in the future.
In the show I don't think so. In the books maybe. She gets mentioned a few times as the leader of a pack of wolves causing havoc around Riverrun and Ghost ran into her leading a pack of wolves also.
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I am amazed not many have made the connection that the 3 Eyed Raven was a brother of the Nights Watch.
God I hate time travel, it just makes things such an unnecessary mess.
Time travel, unless explained properly (but 3ER is dead...), feels a bit like nuking the fridge for me, I can't help but feel that. The books will most likely follow, since GRRM seems to have planned that. There is no way the showmakers just came up with that explanation and they said its GRRM's idea, so time travel, in any case, is the only path to follow here. Could be horrible, we will see.
Depending how important time travel is to the overall plot I guess you're right their hands are tied. It just opens so many plot holes it becomes almost impossible to properly comprehend. Its the same as seeing the future, I think the only time I've seen this done well is with Tolkien and the elves seeing multiple futures that change.
In Tolkiens storys, seeing the future is pretty irrlevant since all is object to change. So far it has been okay in ASOIAF, just because it's part of the lore from the beginning AND because it's not perfect, it needs to be interpreted and people regularly fail at this, both the characters and the viewers.
This has potential to bust the whole story though. Okay, Bran has learned his actions have consequences. PLEASE let him get the memo so he never tries to interfer again. There are theories around which would just kill the entire story for me.
She's leading a large pack of wolves in the books, right?
I doubt that she'll return on the show, though.
Tolkien's story was about good vs evil. You'll know that the good will always triumph over evil. Game of Thrones had many shades of grey in it. But time travel is a bad cop out after GRRM's boasting of how he kills off characters to make it more believable that the hero and the heroine never dies while others die for them in battles.
They really gave the Iron Islands the Dorne treatment in this episode, really terrible stuff. That's that entire plot line ruined. But the episode redeemed itself with the Hodor stuff later on. It was a great scene, though I felt like they were really putting their point across a bit too much with how long he went from "Hold the door" to "Hodor". It's the best scene of the season so I'm guessing that's the closest to GRRM's version of all the stuff we've seen so far. Can't wait to find out how he'll play that out in the book.
It's the best scene of the season so I'm guessing that's the closest to GRRM's version of all the stuff we've seen so far. Can't wait to find out how he'll play that out in the book.They really gave the Iron Islands the Dorne treatment in this episode, really terrible stuff. That's that entire plot line ruined. But the episode redeemed itself with the Hodor stuff later on. It was a great scene, though I felt like they were really putting their point across a bit too much with how long he went from "Hold the door" to "Hodor".
What was so bad about the Iron Islands? If anything, it feels like things get rushed now after quite a while where the storyline was just utterly pointless.
Yup, roaming around near the Riverlands.
Euron not being Euron and becoming Quentyn in terms of plot motive (possibly fused with Victarion), how openly the whole Island is to having a man who just killed his king and wants to kill his nephew and nieces lead, no Vicarion as a separate character, which of course means no Moqurro, Aeron just existing without any explanation who he actually is. Also, should the Kingsmoot have actually happened if Theon was actually there? Shouldn't he just automatically become ruler of the Islands? I know he tried to divest it to Yara and all, but still? Even with no penis, he is the one who is actually meant to take over following Balon's death.
One thing I did quite like was the play, I thought it was pretty funny and really well worked - most GOT humour rather recently feels too forced or just unfunny, but this was pretty natural.
I liked the play as well. Especially Sansa's part.
It is bad exactly because it's so rushed. Without the entire build up of Euron's character, him casually making an entrance at the kingsmoot, admitting he killed Balon and going "oh you want to build the biggest fleet? No I will build the biggest fleet" was woefully unconvincing. Perhaps it wouldn't seem so bad if I hadn't read the book parts. I don't know, it felt terribly dumbed down. Not just "made shorter and more accessible" dumbed down, but actually a scene for a dumber audience.
For me it feels like they only spoke in detail with GRRM after last season, when it was obvious the winds of winter weren't anywhere near ready. So, they kept the storyline in season 5, even if unimportant and after that realised after speaking with GRRM that this is actually pretty significant for the outcome of the story and they would have to switch back attention to it.
Euron is shite anyway. Feck him.