Well, yeah, that goes without saying...but I was going by the technicalities of Robert's kids being recognised as his, and the lineage of succession in that sense.
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Well, yeah, that goes without saying...but I was going by the technicalities of Robert's kids being recognised as his, and the lineage of succession in that sense.
But THEY ARE NOT HIS KIDS...I know, it was just fun pointing out that the whole idea of who succeeds who really comes down to who has enough power behind them to be recognized as the heir. Didn't GRRM get his basic idea from the War of the Roses?
What???
I know that.
But we were discussing what would happen legally, because they're still recognised as his kids. It does come down to who has enough power...but again, that wasn't what I was talking about. I was looking at the hypothetical line of succession based on the current situation.
Robert/Stannis have a Targaryen grandmother.
I know that.
But we were discussing what would happen legally, because they're still recognised as his kids. It does come down to who has enough power...but again, that wasn't what I was talking about. I was looking at the hypothetical line of succession based on the current situation.
I'm next. King Justafan of House RedCafe. My sigil is a breakfast on a tray sitting in front of a door.
Ser Pounce will be The Paw of the King.
All those powerful houses are all inbred with each other. You can't put your dick in anything in Westeros without worrying that it might be related to you.
True, although the Baratheon/Targaryen one is probably the most recent among the big names, barring Jon Snow of course.
Well, all she needs to do is for the rule to bypass: Stannis, Shireen, Jaime and Tyrion (assuming that Lannisters have the best claim after Baratheons, which I am not sure that it is the case). Obviously, she might find a way of doing so (and the prophecy needs to be fulfilled), but it is really a weak claim.
I also find quite ironic that Targaryans links should be used, when we have Targaryans who are alive. Robert's move was just to appeal to the fools, he became king cause he won the war (and neither Ned, nor Jon were interested in becoming kings), not because his great-grandmother was Targ.
What might be for Cersei more problematic than her links, is that Tyrells are in the verge of rebellion, and they won't accept any deal which doesn't have Maergary as queen. They are also significantly stronger than Lannisters, let alone Lannisters commander by a disinterested Jaime (maybe even a dead Jaime) a few thousands km away. Aegon on that aspect might save her, cause Tyrells have a centuries antagonism with Martells. Interesting to see what Littlefinger does. He probably won't join forces with Jon, and definitely no with Aegon (because of Varys links), so he could make an another alliance with Cersei. Or probably go after Riverlands considering that Freys won't be that strong when their Lannister-Bolton alliance get destroyed for obvious reasons (Lannisters go to KL, Boltons get massacred by Jon).
And of course, we have the Greyjoys who could easily defeat anyone in the water, and destroy Lannisport within a day.
I guess that she will be a self declared queen who will control only Kingslanding and Crownterritories, with all other parts being in a deep civil war, which will prepare a nice situation for Daenerys move, and obviously set the stage for the Others invasion.
There are whispers that those are the only chapters than Martin has written. Which essentially means that there won't be a sixth book.
That fat feck is gonna drop dead before he finishes which will leave show watchers laughing at us. If that happens, hopefully he has left some notes for someone to follow and finish the damn things up. I have also read he never originally intended the stories to go this long, but kind of has himself stuck writing about something he really does not care about other than it is another pay check.
Apparently he wants to finish the books himself...yet that seems like an unlikely prospect considering how much he still has to do. I think he does want to finish them, but is a bit jaded with the whole process and has probably lost his way a bit.
Its ridiculous that speculation regarding the story has to be put in spoiler tags in the tv show thread. Why have the thread at all when the only thing you can say without spoiler tags is that the previous episode was shite or the previous episode was the best ever.
Why have the thread at all when the only thing you can say without spoiler tags is that the previous episode was shite or the previous episode was the best ever.He said that either he finishes them, or the won't get finished at all. Which would be a shame.
I really hope that if he sees in a few years that he is unable to finish them, he changes his mind on that. Someone like Abercrombie could do near as good job as Martin himself.
So what about (spoilers to hide from law enforcement)
A crack team of Red Café commando's kidnap him, smash his ankles, and lock him in a room until he finishes the books. Yeah we are borrowing plot points from Stephen King, but who cares?
Actually you can also say that the previous episode was okayIts ridiculous that speculation regarding the story has to be put in spoiler tags in the tv show thread.
About the line of succession, technically they are supposed to call a Great Council when the line of succession is unclear whereby those who want to make a claim should come forward and put forth their case to a council of Lords, who then decide on who has the best claim. Basically, a Kingsmoot. If Stannis(and thus Shireen) is being dismissed because of his rebellion, and Daenerys and Aegon are being dismissed because of their 'mad' Targareyan genes which was used to pass over Viserys and give the crown to Robert, then Edric Storm, who is Robert's acknowledged bastard with Delena Florent, would be named King. Of course, this is all irrelevant because Cersei and the Tyrell's would never allow a Great Council to be called and would fight over whether Cersei herself or Margaery is rightfully Queen.
Edit: Incidentally , Robert Baratheon would actually have been second in line behind Viserys after the Rebellion once Aerys, Rhaegar and Aegon had been killed because of his Tagareyan grandmother and the fact that women were overlooked with regards to inheritance so long as their was a male claimant. Though in reality he claimed the throne via conquest.
Edit: Incidentally , Robert Baratheon would actually have been second in line behind Viserys after the Rebellion once Aerys, Rhaegar and Aegon had been killed because of his Tagareyan grandmother and the fact that women were overlooked with regards to inheritance so long as their was a male claimant. Though in reality he claimed the throne via conquest.
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The most likely scenario is the faith militant seizing the crown and ruling. He makes a point of power being perceived and not real. The High Sparrow is the most powerful man in Kings Landing currently.
Baratheons are cousins of Targaryans, that's why when they won the rebellion, Robert was decided as the best person to be king, due to his connection to the Targaryan bloodline. He was always against it though as he thought Ned should rule but Ned didn't have the backing.
That's why a Targaryan coming to Westeros is almost guaranteed the most support for the throne and why Aegon will be a serious threat to become king. Their name is what gives them power.
Funnily enough, they were considered a minor house in Valyria. Meaning the old Valyrians were much more powerful then the Targaryans. Valyrians are like the elves in LotR's, they pretty much beat everybody in everything.
Baratheons are cousins of Targaryans, that's why when they won the rebellion, Robert was decided as the best person to be king, due to his connection to the Targaryan bloodline. He was always against it though as he thought Ned should rule but Ned didn't have the backing.
That's why a Targaryan coming to Westeros is almost guaranteed the most support for the throne and why Aegon will be a serious threat to become king. Their name is what gives them power.
Funnily enough, they were considered a minor house in Valyria. Meaning the old Valyrians were much more powerful then the Targaryans. Valyrians are like the elves in LotR's, they pretty much beat everybody in everything.
High Sparrow isn't the most powerful man in KL in the show. Randyll Tarly is already near KL with a giant army, and Tarly is probably the best general in Westeros. Tyrells could defeat Sparrows and Lannisters combined.
Robert became the King because he won the rebellion. While initially, the rebellion was Starks, Baratheons, Arryns and Tullys together, soon RObert emerged as the main person of the rebellion, and the rebellion was called 'Robert's Rebellion'. He was also interested to become King, while Ned never wanted that and wanted to return to Winterfell.
He didn't became King because of the blood, in fact, he mentions that he became King because of conquest. The council used that justification just to appeal also to others, but he was becoming King regardless. Who was there to stop him?
The high sparrow is. He has the support of the people within KL. Tarly isn't even in Kings Landing. He is untouchable at the moment as his death would cause riots in the streets. One thing in aSoIaF that is banged home is that power isn't real, it is just perceived. Just because Randyll Tarly has the biggest army, doesn't make him the most powerful. The High Sparrow has the support and has the position to take over, thus he has the most power.
No, he admitted to Ned that he never should've been king and that Ned should've claimed the crown. Then Ned gave a few reasons why. One reason was because Robert was the hero of the rebellion, the other reason was because of his bloodline. He knew people wouldn't accept a Stark as king but they would a Baratheon due to his relation to the Targaryans.
Posted this in the other thread but curious to see opinions from the book reader perspective.
Didn't mellisandre say her place was at the wall at some point? This was the front line in the 'real' battle
She didn't follow Stannis to winterfell and didn't seem as pissy about it as she was about being left behind when he attacked kings landing.
So i don't think she'll move too much at this point.
I'm guessing arya returns to the north at some point and meets her there.
Maybe in winterfell
I can't recall from the books but how are Faceless Men contracted to kill? Is it always for coin, or could 'prayers' for death reach the Many-Faced God?
Completely drunken musing but if the latter is viable, then Davos would wish death upon Melisandre if/when he finds out about burning Shireen (assuming he's not there to kill her himself). Wonder if Arya could end up killing her on the show - would be very 'television' if that happened.
Completely drunken musing but if the latter is viable, then Davos would wish death upon Melisandre if/when he finds out about burning Shireen (assuming he's not there to kill her himself). Wonder if Arya could end up killing her on the show - would be very 'television' if that happened.
If Arya was going to get contracted to kill anyone up North then maybe Jon? Plenty of people will want him dead and it would bring the whole Arya vs No One identity crisis to a head.
The fat feck would still not finish them as he "cant write under pressure". Lazy asshole.
And him being a Targ, might make them want to kill him anyway.
I think usually, it is coin and/or something. That something might be something bizarre.
How much the payment would be depends on who is the target. Killing Daenerys would need a payment higher than employing an army. However, someone poor might pay it in blood (for example sacrificing one on their own).
Can definitely see Daenerys being a target considering that TFM hate Dragonlords.
Edit: oops wrong thread
What have the Dragonlords done to Timothy Fosu Mensah?
TFM were originally slave on the mines of Valyria. Then they escaped and started killing the slaves who were suffering on the mines (those who were sick). Wen the slaves there escaped (a large exodus) they killed the 14 mages who were controlling the volcanoes, and so caused the doom of Valyria.
And Rojo still starts ahead of him. LVG out!
Nope.
The original FM started granting death for slaves and killing the overseers long before they escaped Valyria.
There's no evidence that their escape triggered the Doom. Braavos was founded for centuries before that happened.
TFM predate the Bravos.
Anyway, there is a lot of evidence on that. The Kindly Men said that to Arya (that what they brought to slaves, they eventually brought to masters), and the World of Ice and Fire says that all 14 mages who were controlling the Vulcanos were assassinated at the same time before the Doom happened. Considering their value, I guess that they were very protected, and so there is only an organization (that we know of), who could do that.
While it has never been confirmed, I think that it is as a safe theory as Brandyn Rivers = Bloodraven and R+L=J.
I think it's taken for granted that long centuries of aggressive mining by the Dragonlords undermined the geographic structure of Valyria itself, which was triggered into disaster by the tsunami on the Day of Doom.
Indeed, but they had fire mages who were controlling the volcanoes. And all those mages were assassinated at the same time, which then resulted with all 14 volcanoes erupting at the same time, and destroying everything there.
I know Loras isn't exactly a huge character in the books but they've seriously butchered him.
In the books, he's a fine warrior who leads the assault on Dragonstone and just happens to be gay.
In the show, he's a gay crybaby.
In the books, he's a fine warrior who leads the assault on Dragonstone and just happens to be gay.
In the show, he's a gay crybaby.
So Golden Hand McRapesister and Cersei are counting on the Tyrells and Faith Militant to do enough damage to each other so that they come out on top. Even if Queen M is rescued and faith militant beaten the Tyrells will be blamed for all the deaths in the city. If faith militant wins , Tyrells are fecked, Queen M is likely dead but militant is weakened and can be blamed for the deaths in the city. Win win for Cersei.
I just have a feeling that they are going to absolutely murder the Iron Island plot like how they did Dorne.