Prince Aegon and Arianne Martell are not in the show anyway.
Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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Thanks mate, always nice when your post is appreciated.
(just appreciating your post MJJ)
I will take it !
And I will give it as long as you take it.
This is turning gay way too quick.
Our very own Loras and Renly
You know nothing Welsh wonder
Dont make me go all ramsey on your ass.
You probably should have mentioned another body part.
On his dick.
It only works under the assumption that the characters in the show are supposed to be exactly the same as they are in the books. That's clearly not the case though.
If a show watcher wants to know stuff, that wasn't told in the show, they should go on wiki pages, ask in this thread or read the fecking books. If they ask a question in the showthread, they usually expect to discuss it with people who only watch the show. And if the show didn't give more information, the answer to questions should be 'we don't know more than that'.
What annoyed me the most about discussing things about the show online was that you simply couldn't ask anything you might have forgotten/missed from/in previous episodes/seasons without getting an extended answer from a bookreader who told me more than what I should have known. And considering how complex the show is, it's perfectly normal to miss a line in a dialogue or simply don't remember it clearly a few weeks later when it becomes important. Put a bunch of people together who watch the show and let them discuss it and they'll figure it out and the discussion is fun for them. Add one bookreader to the discussion and he spoils the discussion by telling everyone more than they asked for. It's happened about a million times.
It's really not that difficult. Treat the show thread as if the books don't exist and you're fine. If you can't do that, stay out of it. Doesn't matter if you go there with good intentions and think you're helpful. One or two might actually be thankful for your answer but many others will be annoyed by it and they have every right to be annoyed by it.
You're a book reader?
Nah, dont have time to find something that small.
The show watchers never figure it out though. They end up going in a completely different direction to what is actually happening and its often absolutely crap.
I've started reading the books last summer and finished the last one last week.
Does anybody else hate what they did to Brienne?
That thread sounds like a good idea to be fair.
Yeah, I remember kind of falling into that trap in Season 4. After Joffrey died, someone asked who succeeded him in the line of succession, and I replied with Tommen. Because he'd done very little though, a lot of people had forgotten he existed, and took it as a spoiler that Tommen would then become king. I didn't intend it that way, but it's obviously very easy for it to be misconstrued and better to stay out of it.
I think the problem comes when TV watchers haven't read the books, and don't really know about the differences, but hear little parts of a theory. I remember seeing something online, for example, when I had only read the first book and seen up to Season 3 that Jon had Targaryen heritage. I didn't know what or who it was, but I'd suddenly been given the idea that this was a theory of some sort and was possible, even though I hadn't read all the books, and didn't know the full extent of it. I was still technically a show watcher and not a book reader, but I'd been privy to more info.
Likewise, it's possible to get little snippets that don't give anything away...but kind of do in the same vein. A show watcher could ask, for example, "Is so and so character going to be important?" If you say yeah, then that's not giving any spoilers away and they're still only a show watcher, but they've got a lot bit of info from a book reader that acts as a mild spoiler anyway...if that makes sense.
They got upset because you said Tommen rightly succeeds his older brother as king? Bunch of idiots.
Just because you forget something shown in the show, doesn't make it a spoiler when somebody points it out.
Just because you forget something shown in the show, doesn't make it a spoiler when somebody points it out.
She's basically a robot on the show.
She's the greatest warrior in Westeros on the show. She's beaten Loras, The Hound and Jamie (admittedly his hands were tied).
She also clearly is magical. She accidentally bumped into the two people she was looking for three separate times in a place the size of USA
Meanwhile Jaime is a pretty boy who also happens to carry a sword. He did hold his own against the mighty Ned Stark, to be fair...
Who's next in line after Tommen?
The TV thread is so stupid it isn't even funny. You have to spoiler everything and even if you do people moan about it if you put spoilers in a spoiler despite them being the ones who opened it.
One of my posts in the thread was literally 'cheeky' and it got removed lol.
Yep, theres about half a dozen released in some format at this point.
You have to dig for a lot of them. Theres a reddit thread with links, thats probably your best bet at this point.
So far theres 2 for Arianne, 1 for Sansa, Theon, Barristan Selmy, Victarion and Tyrion.
Some were read aloud at conventions, some were released on his website and 2 were added to the paperback edition of ADWD
Some were read aloud at conventions, some were released on his website and 2 were added to the paperback edition of ADWD
Myrcella, then Cersei
Yeah, that's a good example.
There's also the problem that as a show watcher you only get bits and pieces every week while as a book reader you read the whole book before getting into discussions. It's easy to say they're all idiots in the other thread but at times the show really doesn't give you a lot to work with. Give the showwatchers time to figure out stuff themselves and let them make the necessary connections or let them realise themselves that they were wrong. I rewatched the first two seasons before the 3rd season aired and realised so many things that I simply missed after the first viewing, did the same before season 4 aired and it was mindblowing how many meaningful details I found in dialogues in the first 3 seasons that were difficult to spot before. The writing has gone downhill so much in season 4 and 5 that it's just a mess now, but at least for the first 3-4 seasons it was true.
They rightfully got upset, because nothing is ever obvious in the show. You're the idiot if you can't see the difference between a bookreader more or less confirming that Tommen will become king and a few showwatchers discussing what could happen. And there are a lot of different things that can happen even if it's kinda obvious that Tommen was next in line.
tbf, I didn't know Myrcella was still alive in the books, the joys of not finishing boring ass books. That was more a question for the TV thread, but since well....were probably all banned there, put it here. Cersei isn't an answer either, or the Hand.
It's probably gonna happen and lead to some kind of chaos....and Gendry pops up.
It's probably gonna happen and lead to some kind of chaos....and Gendry pops up.
Ser Pounce.
The prince that was promised.
Lord of yawn, bringer of mice, the first of his name, the undog.
Has there been a queen of westeros that ruled on her own before?
Cersei doesn't make send to be on line.
Theoretically, it should be Stannis after Tommen. Then, his daughter.
I will expect Cersei to change the rules and to rule after Tommen and Myrcella check out. But it will be a rule only in KL, while Aegon fight Tyrells for dominance in the Soith and Jon fights Boltons and Freys for the North.
Theoretically, it should be Stannis after Tommen. Then, his daughter.
I will expect Cersei to change the rules and to rule after Tommen and Myrcella check out. But it will be a rule only in KL, while Aegon fight Tyrells for dominance in the Soith and Jon fights Boltons and Freys for the North.
Only partially (civil war between her and her brother who was the king). It is known as the dance of dragons, with both of them (and many princes) dying by the end of it. Then, the queen's son married the King's daughter to unify the realm. Most of the dragons were killed during the war.
Technically, the next in line after Tommen/Myrcella could be Cersei.
With the two kids theoretically out the way, it would pass to Stannis...but his rebellion obviously discredits him and his family in the eyes of the crown. Due to the fact that Stannis had a Targaryen grandmother, this would then make Daenerys or Aegon the rightful heir...but again both are technically rebellious against the crown, so would not be credited and would be disqualified.
After this, the crown would surely pass to the family with the strong connection to the previous monarch. Considering Tommen/Myrcella are (legally) half Lannister, the crown would then pass to the Lannisters. Tywin is dead, though, which means the throne would pass to Jaime. With Jaime being LC of the Kingsguard, the throne would pass to Tyrion...who is disqualified on the basis of murdering a previous King. The crown would then pass to Cersei...but even if it only hypothetically goes to men, Kevan who is next in line is dead, and Lancel is with the Faith Militant.
So, yeah, Cersei is (legally) the heir to the throne if her kids die. I think. Which would be ironic. She desperately wants to rule...and could do so legally, but would lose her children in the process.
With the two kids theoretically out the way, it would pass to Stannis...but his rebellion obviously discredits him and his family in the eyes of the crown. Due to the fact that Stannis had a Targaryen grandmother, this would then make Daenerys or Aegon the rightful heir...but again both are technically rebellious against the crown, so would not be credited and would be disqualified.
After this, the crown would surely pass to the family with the strong connection to the previous monarch. Considering Tommen/Myrcella are (legally) half Lannister, the crown would then pass to the Lannisters. Tywin is dead, though, which means the throne would pass to Jaime. With Jaime being LC of the Kingsguard, the throne would pass to Tyrion...who is disqualified on the basis of murdering a previous King. The crown would then pass to Cersei...but even if it only hypothetically goes to men, Kevan who is next in line is dead, and Lancel is with the Faith Militant.
So, yeah, Cersei is (legally) the heir to the throne if her kids die. I think. Which would be ironic. She desperately wants to rule...and could do so legally, but would lose her children in the process.
I think that will happen due to her prophesy.
This is a really cool animated telling of the Dance of Dragons. It's on the season 5 blu-ray's special features so I'm not sure if it sticks rigidly to the books telling of it. All dead characters (show-wise) narrating it...
If you want to get technical, then none of Cersei's kids are really in line for the throne since they are not Robert's children.
So from "the crown's" standpoint, it would be Stannis or the eldest of Robert's bastards. But not really sure what the definition of "the crown" really is and who this crown is that would give it's blessing to the heir.
If you go strictly by the need to be a relative of the king to be in line, then you would question Robert's right to sit on the throne, since it was something given to him by force of arms.