Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Armies - Wildlings, Kinights of the Vale. Key Leaders/Fighters: Sansa, John Snow, Tormund, Davos, Ser Royce, Brienne. X Factors: Melisandre, Littlefinger, A big fecking giant.
No way they're gonna let this strong an army take on Ramsay. They'll regain Winterfell too easily.
I expect the White Walkers to feature, or Littlefinger to go join the Boltons or something.

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Dany will come to Mereen with an army - but what will she find? I expect the freed slaves to turn on Tyrion soon - led by Grey Worm and Missandei.

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Kings Landing - I hope the Sparrow turns on Cersei's plans by manipulating the king.

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Iron Islands: Who the feck cares now?
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Armies - Wildlings, Kinights of the Vale. Key Leaders/Fighters: Sansa, John Snow, Tormund, Davos, Ser Royce, Brienne. X Factors: Melisandre, Littlefinger, A big fecking giant.
No way they're gonna let this strong an army take on Ramsay. They'll regain Winterfell too easily.
I expect the White Walkers to feature, or Littlefinger to go join the Boltons or something.

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Dany will come to Mereen with an army - but what will she find? I expect the freed slaves to turn on Tyrion soon - led by Grey Worm and Missandei.

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Kings Landing - I hope the Sparrow turns on Cersei's plans by manipulating the king.

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Iron Islands: Who the feck cares now?
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The army from Eyrie won't join Jon Snow and others without passing through the Crossing controlled by Walder Frey. Knowing Littlefinger, it's entirely possible that he'll have an alliance ready by playing Bolton etc, but it's not open and shut yet. Karstarks are with the Boltons and in the series, it is implied that the Umbers are too. In the books, Arnolf Karskark does plan to go behind the back of Stannis and work with the Boltons and Lannisters.

Tyrion has done well so far, he has the right idea that to replace a system that exists from the beginning of time, 7 more years to work out an alternate system is not a bad thing as per the show. Even if she comes to Mereen with her army, she only has to deal with slavery in the other two cities.

King's Landing is finely poised, with Tyrells taking the blame for any killing.

You should care about Iron Islands because there are no ships in Mereen and Daenarys needs the Euron ships.
 
Think they butchered Jon's character a bit. 'They killed me so I couldn't be here anymore, feck the Whitewalkers, I'm done.'. It'd be much better if they have him explain that he's going to unite the North.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Think they butchered Jon's character a bit. 'They killed me so I couldn't be here anymore, feck the Whitewalkers, I'm done.'. It'd be much better if they have him explain that he's going to unite the North.
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Agreed, Jon Snow now looks as if dithers on everything, considering how he goes out of the way in the books as a Lord Commander of the nightwatch to help Stannis and to ride to Winterfell to rescue Arya Stark.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Agreed, Jon Snow now looks as if dithers on everything, considering how he goes out of the way in the books as a Lord Commander of the nightwatch to help Stannis and to ride to Winterfell to rescue Arya Stark.
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The 'little sister' pink letter moment in the book was beautifully done. Jon killing the boy in him so to speak, prepared to do his duties but not going to let it bury his love. The show has reduced him to a weary boy petulantly lashing out to those who have done him wrong and the world at large.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The 'little sister' pink letter moment in the book was beautifully done. Jon killing the boy in him so to speak, prepared to do his duties but not going to let it bury his love. The show has reduced him to a weary boy petulantly lashing out to those who have done him wrong and the world at large.
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All the more idiotic to have Sansa Stark push him to ride to winterfell. One of the most petulant and irksome character in the book.
 
Drainy said:
That last scene was a joke.
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Don't know why people complain about Emilia Clarke's acting; look how expressive she was in that final scene:

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Tormund be wanting a piece of Brienne, I liked that. Nice of Accent to show up again, all that was missing was a bit of moustache twirling.

Also, the people on the ASOIAF forum are some of the most insufferable on the planet. Second only to the 'Embarrassed Brigade' in the United Forum.
 
asoiaf.westeros is one of the best forums that exist in the internet. If only they can do something about their servers which are shit...

In reality, I am more interested there in literature thread but asoiaf/GoT forums are great. They go very fast though (like our transfer forum during the summer), so difficult to follow everything there, but then every theory has been created in that forum.

Book readers hate the changes to the show, but then we do it too.
 
I didn't mind Sansa convincing Jon they have to retake Winterfell. Jon's in a phase of not giving a shit right now, which I don't mind. He's tired of fighting since he's seen so much and, well...died for trying to do the right thing. He hasn't got time for stuff that doesn't interest him anymore, which is an interesting development, and probably more interesting than the standard hero. Funny to see Jon caring less about the NW than Ed. Stark reunion was great, too.

Dany's final scene was a bit ridiculous...although not for the first time. I expected Drogon to wreck shit, but CGI costs probably stopped that. All felt a bit too easy for her though. All she needed to do to overthrow an entire system was expose a building's fire safety weaknesses. The Dothraki not beating the shit out of her on the spot when she talks back to them also seems unrealistic. I highly doubt they'd all tolerate that sort of stuff from anyone else.

I don't mind the KL stuff, but it does feel like the High Sparrow is a bit overpowered. Jaime also serves no purpose now. He just kinda stands around behind Cersei and agrees with whatever she says. Need to get him to the Riverlands.
 
Yeah, that Danny scene was bad. And watching her arrogant grim the entire time... how could anyone think she's the protagonist in the story? She's a psychopath in the show. I'm not sure I like the whole fire immunity thing but I'll get over it.

Jaime, however, is definitely my biggest problem with the show at this point. I'm so disappointed with what they've done to him. It's worse than Dorne.

Otherwise, the episode was better than I expected. Was nice that the different storylines were not chopped into small bits like in the previous one. Felt more flowing.
 
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We know that the reunion will either not going to happen in the books, or pan out differently. However, can we take it for granted that the Vale forces will go North? It'd mean Sansa revealing her identity and get Harry the Heir to call the banners for her.

Could be one way the Northern plot is resolved. Sansa come North and finish off the Boltons after they won a Pyrhric victory over Stannis, then Jon asked for their aid after he solved the conflict at the Wall. Although the GNC is way cooler.
 
Scarecrow said:
Yeah, that Danny scene was bad. And watching her arrogant grim the entire time... how could anyone think she's the protagonist in the story? She's a psychopath in the show. I'm not sure I like the whole fire immunity thing but I'll get over it.

Jaime, however, is definitely my biggest problem with the show at this point. I'm so disappointed with what they've done to him. It's worse than Dorne.

Otherwise, the episode was better than I expected. Was nice that the different storylines were not chopped into small bits like in the previous one. Felt more flowing.
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Yeah, he just has no arc at all. Literally just walks around with Cersei and does whatever she tells him.:lol:
 
Definitely liked the episode. I think that it was the best episode so fat in this season.

Both reunions were done very well, and I think that the last scene was done alright. In addition, we finally had the 'pink letter'.

Cannot wait for next week.
 
Cheesy said:
I didn't mind Sansa convincing Jon they have to retake Winterfell. Jon's in a phase of not giving a shit right now, which I don't mind. He's tired of fighting since he's seen so much and, well...died for trying to do the right thing. He hasn't got time for stuff that doesn't interest him anymore, which is an interesting development, and probably more interesting than the standard hero. Funny to see Jon caring less about the NW than Ed. Stark reunion was great, too.

Dany's final scene was a bit ridiculous...although not for the first time. I expected Drogon to wreck shit, but CGI costs probably stopped that. All felt a bit too easy for her though. All she needed to do to overthrow an entire system was expose a building's fire safety weaknesses. The Dothraki not beating the shit out of her on the spot when she talks back to them also seems unrealistic. I highly doubt they'd all tolerate that sort of stuff from anyone else.

I don't mind the KL stuff, but it does feel like the High Sparrow is a bit overpowered. Jaime also serves no purpose now. He just kinda stands around behind Cersei and agrees with whatever she says. Need to get him to the Riverlands.
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Better this way. The Drogon just saved her in the last season.

They were going to beat the shit out of it when she burned them. And at that moment, they had no other choice except trying to get out of that house.
 
Revan said:
Better this way. The Drogon just saved her in the last season.

They were going to beat the shit out of it when she burned them. And at that moment, they had no other choice except trying to get out of that house.
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It was ridiculous. How could she put oil on the house without them noticing. If she didn't, how could the fire spread so fast, and lastly, even if the door is bolted, couldn't they just kick or hack the shit out of the wall.

As usual, D&D just think we are all imbeciles.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It was ridiculous. How could she put oil on the house without them noticing. If she didn't, how could the fire spread so fast, and lastly, even if the door is bolted, couldn't they just kick or hack the shit out of the wall.

As usual, D&D just think we are all imbeciles.
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I guess that other Khaleesi did that for her. Unlike Danny, she was accepted there and was able to enter in those houses.

And no, people don't try to kick the shit out of someone, when they are getting burned. The survival instincts make you try to find a way out, not kill someone who is throwing fire.
 
I got goosebumps when Sansa arrived at Castle Black, finally some of the Stark kids are reunited. It's all setting up quite nicely for an epic end of the season but I can see Dany lingering around in Meereen for quite a bit which is annoying, she needs to get going westwards soon now.

All KL scenes were crap as usual though.
 
Whenever I read this thread I realise how much information I've failed to retain from reading the books.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It was ridiculous. How could she put oil on the house without them noticing. If she didn't, how could the fire spread so fast, and lastly, even if the door is bolted, couldn't they just kick or hack the shit out of the wall.

As usual, D&D just think we are all imbeciles.
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With what? They were unarmed. Twice in the episode they made a big point of talking about it being against their code to being weapons into that city.
 
Revan said:
I guess that other Khaleesi did that for her. Unlike Danny, she was accepted there and was able to enter in those houses.

And no, people don't try to kick the shit out of someone, when they are getting burned. The survival instincts make you try to find a way out, not kill someone who is throwing fire.
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that would be my guess considering in the scene where her two would-be rescuers show up, Danny basically gets the women to agree to help her.
 
JustAFan said:
With what? They were unarmed. Twice in the episode they made a big point of talking about it being against their code to being weapons into that city.
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Their medallions and personal effects. I found it bizarre that battle hardened warriors would just panic and die like that.

And the other Dosh Khaleens helping her isn't really feasible. She had one who asked her some friendly questions. It's a tall leap to conspiring with her to kill all Khals.

And it's the Middle Age we are talking about here, or its equivalence. There's no chance they wouldn't notice the smell of oil if there was enough of it to burn down the house that fast.

Sure, I know that it's television and we should give them some leeways, but it's still a very poor thought out scenario.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Their medallions and personal effects. I found it bizarre that battle hardened warriors would just panic and die like that.

And the other Dosh Khaleens helping her isn't really feasible. She had one who asked her some friendly questions. It's a tall leap to conspiring with her to kill all Khals.

And it's the Middle Age we are talking about here, or its equivalence. There's no chance they wouldn't notice the smell of oil if there was enough of it to burn down the house that fast.

Sure, I know that it's television and we should give them some leeways, but it's still a very poor thought out scenario.
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Read a bit about what people do in similar situations. The instincts take control of the body and try to find a way to survive, not to avenge.

Also, not the other Dosh Khaleens, just that one she recruited on the previous scene.
 
Revan said:
Read a bit about what people do in similar situations. The instincts take control of the body and try to find a way to survive, not to avenge.

Also, not the other Dosh Khaleens, just that one she recruited on the previous scene.
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Not sure they could have made it any more obvious she was going to help Dany with whatever the plan was.
 
RobinLFC said:
I got goosebumps when Sansa arrived at Castle Black, finally some of the Stark kids are reunited. It's all setting up quite nicely for an epic end of the season but I can see Dany lingering around in Meereen for quite a bit which is annoying, she needs to get going westwards soon now.

All KL scenes were crap as usual though.
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I don't think we have to wait that much longer for it. Dany mentioning the water horses, the kingsmoot, Euron returning... I don't think we have to wait much longer.


InfiniteBoredom said:
And the other Dosh Khaleens helping her isn't really feasible. She had one who asked her some friendly questions. It's a tall leap to conspiring with her to kill all Khals.
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Yeah, agree. I didn't much mind the Khals reaction, but the idea that the dosh khaleen woman just agreed to murder all the khals is ridiculous, even with the story of how she was abused.
 
Revan said:
Read a bit about what people do in similar situations. The instincts take control of the body and try to find a way to survive, not to avenge.

Also, not the other Dosh Khaleens, just that one she recruited on the previous scene.
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Hell even the Hound was afraid of fire (with good cause given his history). Awesome warrior, not afraid of anyone, but fire would send him into a panic. So yeah it is not far fetched that even a brave warrior might panic when confronted with being burnt alive.

Don't find it a stretch that any of those women might not actually enjoy the situation they were forced into and be willing to rebel. It can't be much fun being told to go live with a bunch of widows and basically live under house arrest.
 
Revan said:
Read a bit about what people do in similar situations. The instincts take control of the body and try to find a way to survive, not to avenge.

Also, not the other Dosh Khaleens, just that one she recruited on the previous scene.
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I'm not sure why you keep hitting that point because I wasn't saying they should beat her up instead of trying to escape, my point is their reaction was pathetic. It stretches credulity that men who have face death many time would instantly panic and banging at the door.

The one on the previous scene, I've already explained. Fear is a very good motivator and I doubt she'd put her life at risk conspiring to kill all the Khals at the assurance of imaginary dragons.

Dany had Drogon by her side in the books. So it'll pan out entirely differently.
 
JustAFan said:
Hell even the Hound was afraid of fire (with good cause given his history). Awesome warrior, not afraid of anyone, but fire would send him into a panic. So yeah it is not far fetched that even a brave warrior might panic when confronted with being burnt alive.
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The Hound was fire-phobic because he was traumatized by fireburns at a young age. Men who have been in life or death situations numerous times won't shit their pants at the first sign of danger.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I'm not sure why you keep hitting that point because I wasn't saying they should beat her up instead of trying to escape, my point is their reaction was pathetic. It stretches credulity that men who have face death many time would instantly panic and banging at the door.

The one on the previous scene, I've already explained. Fear is a very good motivator and I doubt she'd put her life at risk conspiring to kill all the Khals at the assurance of imaginary dragons.

Dany had Drogon by her side in the books. So it'll pan out entirely differently.
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not really. they kidnapped her the same way as in the show.

i think that it will happen the same way in the books.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The Hound was fire-phobic because he was traumatized by fireburns at a young age. Men who have been in life or death situations numerous times won't shit their pants at the first sign of danger.
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it wasn't the first sign of danger though. a wood house was getting burned very fastly while the doors were closed.

regardless of their battles, they are human. and when something screams danger, people don't behave rationally. it is why people get drowned in pools full of people.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The Hound was fire-phobic because he was traumatized by fireburns at a young age. Men who have been in life or death situations numerous times won't shit their pants at the first sign of danger.
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The Hound shows that even otherwise brave men can have fears.

LOL, because everyone is perfect and their behavior is always 100% consistent. There are stories of soldiers who had bravely faced battle numerous times, loosing it in the middle of another battle. Shit happens. People panic.
 
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