Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

JustAFan said:
The Hound shows that even otherwise brave men can have fears.

LOL, because everyone is perfect and their behavior is always 100% consistent. There are stories of soldiers who had bravely faced battle numerous times, loosing it in the middle of another battle. Shit happens. People panic.
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His fear was irrational. During the battle of Blackwater, men are afraid to fight in the fire, but they still followed Tyrion's charge. The Hound flee.

If you think it's perfectly fine the way they did it then we should agree to disagree. It just irks me something so blatantly lazy in execution is eaten up because it looks badass.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
His fear was irrational. During the battle of Blackwater, men are afraid to fight in the fire, but they still followed Tyrion's charge. The Hound flee.

If you think it's perfectly fine the way they did it then we should agree to disagree. It just irks me something so blatantly lazy in execution is eaten up because it looks badass.
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So we agree otherwise brave men, can have irrational fears.

This is the first mention of the scene "looking badass" being a reason some were not bothered by the scene. You make it up yourself?
 
What is more interesting, is Danny going to turn out evil by the end of the saga, and become essentially her father. After all, the mad King wasn't mad at the beginning, and seems to have been a nice guy and a good king before he got obsessed with burning people.
 
JustAFan said:
So we agree otherwise brave men, can have irrational fears.

This is the first mention of the scene "looking badass" being a reason some were not bothered by the scene. You make it up yourself?
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The looking badass part isn't aimed at you or anyone in this thread. More about the other thread. One of the response immediately after the episode was 'the ending was pretty badass' or some shit like that.

Brave men can have irrational fears, we all have irrational feelings, but to use the Hound to illustrate how the Khals should react in a burning building is a very poor example because he's particularly traumatized and his fear is much more severe than the common man.

When Dant pulled her stunt, the Khals had three options that I can immediately think of:

- Pull together to knock off the door. It was bolted, but they are 20 men who are strong as oxes. It might work or it didn't, they didn't try.

- Charge at Dany and force her to open the door. She was unarmed.

- Use their heavy medallion belt or any object at their disposal to knock at the wall.

Instead they scream, run around and die. This suspension of logic is hard to take. Some of them might panic, sure, why not? But all battle hardened murderers would just fold like a sack of shite? Meh.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The looking badass part isn't aimed at you or anyone in this thread. More about the other thread. One of the response immediately after the episode was 'the ending was pretty badass' or some shit like that.

Brave men can have irrational fears, we all have irrational feelings, but to use the Hound to illustrate how the Khals should react in a burning building is a very poor example because he's particularly traumatized and his fear is much more severe than the common man.

When Dant pulled her stunt, the Khals had three options that I can immediately think of:

- Pull together to knock off the door. It was bolted, but they are 20 men who are strong as oxes. It might work or it didn't, they didn't try.

At least some of them did try (how did you miss that), I mean they actually showed trying to force the door open and actually showed it being barred from the OUTSIDE, some of them were caught on fire pretty quickly.

- Charge at Dany and force her to open the door. She was unarmed.

Because she had a key to unlock the door, that was barred shut from the OUTSIDE.

- Use their heavy medallion belt or any object at their disposal to knock at the wall.

Only other objects that might have been heavy enough were the large fire holders that Dany was busy tipping over. Not sure jewelry would have brought the door down.

Instead they scream, run around and die. This suspension of logic is hard to take. Some of them might panic, sure, why not? But all battle hardened murderers would just fold like a sack of shite? Meh.

They did not exactly all sit in a corner crying though did they. Some were trapped fairly quickly by the fire, others tried to get out. So really no suspension of logic required.
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Will leave it at that.
 
1) I didn't miss the part where they knocked at the door. In one of my previous posts I've already said they were banging on it. It's a far cry from actually pulling together to ram if off though.

2) then it's a very poor thought out move by Dany. What if in her desperation they snap her neck off if she can't get the door open for them? I'd damn sure try for the bitch once I find the door bolted.

3) yes. It might or mightnt work. My point is they didn't try.

On top of that the Dosh Khaleen helping her after literally 5 minutes, the fact they didn't catch on to the fecking dripping oil if there were any. Plenty of logic suspension required.

It sounds like nitpicking and it probably is, but it's one of my beef with the production of this show. Post Red Wedding they've consistently gone for the flashy scenes without much attention to plot hole and story. From a purely visual aspect, it was impressive, but the more I think about it the sillier it gets.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
1) I didn't miss the part where they knocked at the door. In one of my previous posts I've already said they were banging on it. It's a far cry from actually pulling together to ram if off though.

2) then it's a very poor thought out move by Dany. What if in her desperation they snap her neck off if she can't get the door open for them? I'd damn sure try for the bitch once I find the door bolted.

3) yes. It might or mightnt work. My point is they didn't try.

On top of that the Dosh Khaleen helping her after literally 5 minutes, the fact they didn't catch on to the fecking dripping oil if there were any. Plenty of logic suspension required.

It sounds like nitpicking and it probably is, but it's one of my beef with the production of this show. Post Red Wedding they've consistently gone for the flashy scenes without much attention to plot hole and story. From a purely visual aspect, it was impressive, but the more I think about it the sillier it gets.
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1) Not really. They had just a few seconds in incredibly hot temperatures to deal with.

2) Yeah sure, you would have done that. You would have been incredibly calm and rational while you were getting burned. In addition, Danny took a risk. After all, that was the only chance to get free after she waited a few days for Drogon.

3) No idea how you think that you can break walls with medallions. Or that Daenerys had a key to open the doors.
 
Revan said:
1) Not really. They had just a few seconds in incredibly hot temperatures to deal with.

2) Yeah sure, you would have done that. You would have been incredibly calm and rational while you were getting burned. In addition, Danny took a risk. After all, that was the only chance to get free after she waited a few days for Drogon.

3) No idea how you think that you can break walls with medallions. Or that Daenerys had a key to open the doors.
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1) They had time to turn back and listen to her deliver the badass/final line.

2) eh, no, I'd freak the shit out, but after I'd realize the door won't budge the next idea would be to get the smirking bitch who just started the fire. And these Dothrakis are men who have been in countless battles and lived in one of the harshest environment since their birth. They'd be much calmer than the average joes.

3) a heavy metal object against a burning wooden wall. I'd take my chance, and even if it fails, won't be for a lack of trying.

And where have I said Dany has the key? Capturing her is basically to get her to call her collaborator to open the door, unless she wants to die. If death is certain, taking the killer along would feel pretty good.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
And where have I said Dany has the key? Capturing her is basically to get her to call her collaborator to open the door, unless she wants to die. If death is certain, taking the killer along would feel pretty good.
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Surely they thought she was willing to burn herself with them and die anyway? They didn't know she'd be unharmed by the fire. Why would they give a feck about a woman who set a fire to burn down a house with herself in it?

In general I agree with the following comment:
InfiniteBoredom said:
It sounds like nitpicking and it probably is, but it's one of my beef with the production of this show. Post Red Wedding they've consistently gone for the flashy scenes without much attention to plot hole and story. From a purely visual aspect, it was impressive, but the more I think about it the sillier it gets.
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But I think this scene is a really poor example for it. Yeah, they didn't take ages to set it up and we need to believe that she convinced the other girl to help her and all that, but considering how fecking boring her endlessly dragged out storyline was so far, I really enjoyed that this time they didn't take a full season until she actually does something.
 
Another dreadful episode, not even Khaleesi tits at the end could save it. Though they did make up for it partially.
 
I like Sophie Turner more now, after that episode. Thought the scenes with Jon and Sansa were great. She's probably the one (main) character who's show version I prefer to the book one. Her storyline is better, as well.
 
Best episode of the year so far, creaking build. And made Sansa worth a damn for the first time ever.
 
Scarecrow said:
Of course it won't. She's not immune to fire in the books.
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She was immune once though. Martin never said that she isn't immune to fire, instead he said that she probably won't use the fire the same way as she did on the epilogue of the first book.
 
I really love the other thread. A poster posted a spoiler, but guarded it with 2 spoiler tags, with clear signs in each of them to not open unless you don't care about spoilers, and now some precious drama queen is asking for him to be banned, because now he got spoiled.

For what, is worth, the spoiler was (do not open the spoiler below - regardless if you have read the books, read theories etc - unless you really don't care about spoilers at all):

That the actor who plays the Hound has been present during the filming of this season. For what is worth, my bet is that he will be here in episode 7, which is called 'The Broken Man'.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
Don't know why people complain about Emilia Clarke's acting; look how expressive she was in that final scene:

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Thought the same. :lol:
 
Revan said:
I really love the other thread. A poster posted a spoiler, but guarded it with 2 spoiler tags, with clear signs in each of them to not open unless you don't care about spoilers, and now some precious drama queen is asking for him to be banned, because now he got spoiled.

For what, is worth, the spoiler was (do not open the spoiler below - regardless if you have read the books, read theories etc - unless you really don't care about spoilers at all):

That the actor who plays the Hound has been present during the filming of this season. For what is worth, my bet is that he will be here in episode 7, which is called 'The Broken Man'.
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Cleganebowl?

I think this was mentioned last week also in the show thread. Someone even asked what it means.
 
It's interesting to see
InfiniteBoredom said:
1) I didn't miss the part where they knocked at the door. In one of my previous posts I've already said they were banging on it. It's a far cry from actually pulling together to ram if off though.

2) then it's a very poor thought out move by Dany. What if in her desperation they snap her neck off if she can't get the door open for them? I'd damn sure try for the bitch once I find the door bolted.

3) yes. It might or mightnt work. My point is they didn't try.

On top of that the Dosh Khaleen helping her after literally 5 minutes, the fact they didn't catch on to the fecking dripping oil if there were any. Plenty of logic suspension required.

It sounds like nitpicking and it probably is, but it's one of my beef with the production of this show. Post Red Wedding they've consistently gone for the flashy scenes without much attention to plot hole and story. From a purely visual aspect, it was impressive, but the more I think about it the sillier it gets.
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You are probably nit-picking here, but Khal Jhaqo does find Daenarys and Drogon in the Dothraki Sea.

There's previous enmity between Daenarys and Khal Jhago because of that Mago rape episode. She mentions how she'll show them no mercy. It does appear convenient, but it definitely works. It's a public demonstration of magic and their entire leadership is wiped out by this awesome lady who can't be destroyed by fire.
 
Does no one realize that the army from Eyrie can't ride to Winterfell without making a deal with Walder Frey at the Crossing? I mean, they could take a ship from Gulltown to White Haven, but they would need many many ships/boats.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Does no one realize that the army from Eyrie can't ride to Winterfell without making a deal with Walder Frey at the Crossing? I mean, they could take a ship from Gulltown to White Haven, but they would need many many ships/boats.
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Is Frey the power player in Riverlands now? Otherwise he could get surrounded by the armies from Eyrie and Riverrun on either side.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Is Frey the power player in Riverlands now? Otherwise he could get surrounded by the armies from Eyrie and Riverrun on either side.
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Freys control the crossing bridge between South and North. Anyone wants to pass through to Winterfell or the north, have to pay their dues to Lord Frey. That is why Robb Stark had to make alliance with Freys even though Freys were bannermen to the Tullys
 
fishfingers15 said:
Freys control the crossing bridge between South and North. Anyone wants to pass through to Winterfell or the north, have to pay their dues to Lord Frey. That is why Robb Stark had to make alliance with Freys even though Freys were bannermen to the Tullys
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Yeah I know, I was mentioning that he has enemies to the left and right who'd both be interested in sending armies to join Jon and Sansa so if he continues to be an ass about it, he'll have to fight to control the crossing.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Yeah I know, I was mentioning that he has enemies to the left and right who'd both be interested in sending armies to join Jon and Sansa so if he continues to be an ass about it, he'll have to fight to control the crossing.
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He's on good books with the Lannisters and the Boltons, so he doesn't have any enemies. Riverrun is not exactly free as it's under siege already. Armies that want to cross over north quickly will want to make a deal with Freys instead of waging a battle as it's one of the best guarded forts in the Westeros.
 
Revan said:
I really love the other thread. A poster posted a spoiler, but guarded it with 2 spoiler tags, with clear signs in each of them to not open unless you don't care about spoilers, and now some precious drama queen is asking for him to be banned, because now he got spoiled.

For what, is worth, the spoiler was (do not open the spoiler below - regardless if you have read the books, read theories etc - unless you really don't care about spoilers at all):

That the actor who plays the Hound has been present during the filming of this season. For what is worth, my bet is that he will be here in episode 7, which is called 'The Broken Man'.
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It's still daft to post it. I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to give info on future episodes, and if he's blatantly violated that then he should be banned.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Does no one realize that the army from Eyrie can't ride to Winterfell without making a deal with Walder Frey at the Crossing? I mean, they could take a ship from Gulltown to White Haven, but they would need many many ships/boats.
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The crossing is at the Twins correct or are you talking about Moat Cailin? I think the army can skirt the Twins by marching up the Kings Road (at least the maps I google show the Kings Road not going through the Twins) They still might have to deal with Frey soldiers, but they won't have to cross at the Twins. But what I can not remember is did the Bolton's leave the Frey's in charge of Moat Cailin which Little Fingers army would need to get through to get to the North and Winterfell (be a bad move by the Boltons if they did).
 
JustAFan said:
The crossing is at the Twins correct or are you talking about Moat Cailin? I think the army can skirt the Twins by marching up the Kings Road (at least the maps I google show the Kings Road not going through the Twins) They still might have to deal with Frey soldiers, but they won't have to cross at the Twins. But what I can not remember is did the Bolton's leave the Frey's in charge of Moat Cailin which Little Fingers army would need to get through to get to the North and Winterfell (be a bad move by the Boltons if they did).
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Agreed about the Kings Road, but I remember Robb Stark saying exactly why they need the Twins to be on their side. Will try and dig up that episode. In the books, After Ramsay and Theon win back Moat Cailin, they greet Bolton and Frey allies to the fort. The defending party is made up of majority of Bolton and a few Frey forces.
 
One for the conspiracy theorists out there. Obviously given how the Red Wedding goes down in the show there's no truth in it but it might have been an interesting twist.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Agreed about the Kings Road, but I remember Robb Stark saying exactly why they need the Twins to be on their side. Will try and dig up that episode. In the books, After Ramsay and Theon win back Moat Cailin, they greet Bolton and Frey allies to the fort. The defending party is made up of majority of Bolton and a few Frey forces.
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Rob was on the western side of the river. The only way to go north from there is by crossing the river and the only bridge is at the Twins.

The Eyrie army has no business going through the Twins. I believe their problem would be passing through The Neck, which should be in control of the Boltons. It is in the books but I can't remember what happens in the show.
 
Scarecrow said:
Rob was on the western side of the river. The only way to go north from there is by crossing the river and the only bridge is at the Twins.

The Eyrie army has no business going through the Twins. I believe their problem would be passing through The Neck, which should be in control of the Boltons. It is in the books but I can't remember what happens in the show.
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Gotcha, that's it.

Moat cailin is controlled by Boltons in the show too I think, as Littlefinger and Sansa Stark go through them to join with the Boltons
 
Just rewatched the final scene.

For all the moaning here, actually it was done quite good. Khal Jaeggo (or whatever he's called) runs in her direction, when Daenerys pushes the second flamer. She is on the middle of the fire and the only way to reach here is by walking on the fire, which isn't something that anyone would do.

Oh, and Clarke's tits!
 
Revan said:
Just rewatched the final scene.

For all the moaning here, actually it was done quite good. Khal Jaeggo (or whatever he's called) runs in her direction, when Daenerys pushes the second flamer. She is on the middle of the fire and the only way to reach here is by walking on the fire, which isn't something that anyone would do.

Oh, and Clarke's tits!
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Tits were good, but it's definitely weak. 10+ strong khals not able to fight a lady in a house separated by 4 fire pots, what the feck? It's done for drama and I'm ok with it. We shouldn't be looking for too much logic in a show with dragons, but could have been done better IMO.
 
Holy shit, just found that in westerosi forum there is a thread when there is a live discussion of the show. It is similar to our matchday threads.

'Pink letter happening, yeah'.
'I want High Sparrow dead'
'RIP Osha'
 
Revan said:
Holy shit, just found that in westerosi forum there is a thread when there is a live discussion of the show. It is similar to our matchday threads.

'Pink letter happening, yeah'.
'I want High Sparrow dead'
'RIP Osha'
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'Ramsay's discipline is awful, going to get himself sent off by injuring people like that.'
 
I think some people are underestimating how hot and fecking terrifying a massive fire in an enclosed space is
 
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