Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

JustAFan said:
Now how's this for a plot twist. Robert Strong AKA Frankenmountain AKA Mountainstein AKA The Skull Popper, well he is sworn to destroy Cersei's enemies. Definitely some dark science and possibly some dark magic involved in his creation, these things in the ASOIAF always come with some sort of cost or a catch to them. Or the irony if he comes to realize that Cersei is in fact, her own worst enemy. It would be a twist for sure. It will never happen, but imagine the look on her face right before he pops her like some teenagers zit.
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If I have to guess that story arc, it would be
Trial by Combat for Cersei against the Faith Militants/Arya with Ser Robert Strong in her corner and the Hound reincarnated/reborn in the opposition corner with Cersei losing, possibly in the last episode of this season
 
I kind of wish we'd get a flashback to Robert Baratheon being the badass warrior he was supposed to be until he got fat and gluttonous. It'd be amazing watching a ripped warrior his size smash an enemy's rib cage through a chest plate with his hammer.
 
Revan said:
Great episode for most part. Arthur Dayne was amazing.

However, 'The North Remembers' has really been dumbed down to that old woman resistance last season.
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I think Umber and Karstark will both be working against Ramsey, in the show.
 
With regards to all that "The North Remembers" type stuff:

Lyanna Mormont will be appearing in this season, the actor playing Davos was talking about scenes he has with her. I guess she'll be the main focus of the pro-Stark faction given we learned she was still loyal to the Starks last year when she turned Stannis down. Reading between the lines, I think Davos and Sansa will be sent to get her support.
 
sullydnl said:
With regards to all that "The North Remembers" type stuff:

Lyanna Mormont will be appearing in this season, the actor playing Davos was talking about scenes he has with her. I guess she'll be the main focus of the pro-Stark faction given we learned she was still loyal to the Starks last year when she turned Stannis down. Reading between the lines, I think Davos and Sansa will be sent to get her support.
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Either Jon Snow goes to the Islands or Sansa and Brienne go there.
 
That was a very good episode.

Except they cut off the Tower of Joy!!!!
 
I love reading the other thread. Half the posters in there are clearly book readers or have read up on so much that they may as well be - they can't help but post things they shouldn't based on what's been shown on tv. The other half seem to be watching a a completely different show and their understanding of the characters is all to feck.

Entertaining stuff.
 
Yeah, a lot of people seem to know Jon's parentage, which is impossible to do unless you've read the books and/or read fan theories.
 
Revan said:
Yeah, a lot of people seem to know Jon's parentage, which is impossible to do unless you've read the books and/or read fan theories.
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They are all so paranoid as well. I corrected one of them using all info available in the last ep and season 1, then "go back to the book thread'.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
They are all so paranoid as well. I corrected one of them using all info available in the last ep and season 1, then "go back to the book thread'.
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To be fair, while theoretically it is possible to get Jon's parentage only from the show, it is almost impossible to do so in practice. Heck, even by just reading the books is difficult to get it (unless you read the theories).

A bit like a mathematical exercise being very difficult if you don't know it, but looking very obvious if you know the solution.

I've been there when I spoiled the 'Jaime not being a total dick' by just using material from the show, but lets be fair, it is impossible to know that without also having read the books. So, they were naturally quite pissed off.

I guess the same can be said here. A book reader can easily go to R+L=J by just using the show's material (which are just incredibly small hints), but a only show watcher can't do that. So, better to stay completely away from that thread (well, I don't have that problem anymore).
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Tbf Jaime is a total dick in the show, same with Cersei. They've butchered these 2 and now they are back to square 1.
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Jaime was great in Season 3, but he's kind of just become so pointless. The issue in season 4 was that whereas he was now spending an entire season in KL, he's only there briefly in the book between screwing Cersei next to Joffrey, and then releasing Tyrion. He's got about one chapter inbetween. Then, it's Tywin's funeral, and off to the Riverlands.

What happened in the space of about four of his chapters has now been spaced out across two and a half seasons, and as a result he's become a dull character. I mean, what developed about him in Dorne? He's given a brief touching moment in Dorne...but then she was killed, and he doesn't seem all that bothered now.
 
Revan said:
Yeah, a lot of people seem to know Jon's parentage, which is impossible to do unless you've read the books and/or read fan theories.
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Pretty hard to avoid that particular theory at the minute. Nearly every review I've read has made some sort of reference to it, even the ones being written by people who haven't read the books.
 
The thing is they've effectively reversed all his character development. From the portrayal of 'rape' in the Sept, to becoming a pointless buffoon yet again in the last episode. It's like all of his trials in SoS/season 3 have become pointless
 
A lot of show watchers seem to believe Cersei is some sort of conniving genius. When in truth she is a power hungry madwoman.

They also believe Tyrion is a great ruler and Daenerys isn't an evil bitch.
 
Gol123 said:
A lot of show watchers seem to believe Cersei is some sort of conniving genius. When in truth she is a power hungry madwoman.

They also believe Tyrion is a great ruler and Daenerys isn't an evil bitch.
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My wacky theory is that she goes mad like Aerys in the end. Nearly nothing to base this off other than Aerys wiki where it says he wasn't a bad guy in his early years and during his early reign, the Seven Kingdoms prospered but stillborn children, miscarriages and children dying very young started his descent into madness.

While Aerys was compassionate at first, comforting Rhaella in her grief, he turned suspicious in time. By 270 AC, he had decided that Rhaella had been unfaithful to him, and that none of the stillbirths, miscarriages and dead princes had been his, as the gods would not want a bastard to sit the Iron Throne. He soon confined Rhaella to Maegor's Holdfast, and ordered that two septa's would sleep in her bed from that moment forth, to ensure she would remain faithful.
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Duskendale pushed him over the edge completely...

The Defiance of Duskendale plunged Aerys deeper into his descent into madness. Deeply shaken by his imprisonment, he refused to leave the Red Keep for the next four years. His jealous and suspicious nature deepened into paranoia and eventually outright delusions, seeing evidence of treachery everywhere.
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Dany being unable to have children may affect her like it did Aerys and being held in Vaes Dothrak by the Dosh Khaleen may be her Duskendale.
 
Shane88 said:
My wacky theory is that she goes mad like Aerys in the end. Nearly nothing to base this off other than Aerys wiki where it says he wasn't a bad guy in his early years and during his early reign, the Seven Kingdoms prospered but stillborn children, miscarriages and children dying very young started his descent into madness.



Duskendale pushed him over the edge completely...



Dany being unable to have children may affect her like it did Aerys and being held in Vaes Dothrak by the Dosh Khaleen may be her Duskendale.
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She already is on her way to going mad.
 
Do or should the show watchers know that Howland Reed is still alive? There's speculation in the other thread about him being dead, but I can't recall him being mentioned in the show apart from when Jojen mentioned him once or twice.

I'm curious which part he still has to play in the books though, GRRM confirmed he will appear again at some point.
 
As I was doing a quick google of Howland Reed, I came across a link (which I did not bother clicking) to a theory that the High Sparrow is in fact.....Howland Reed. Will read it later and let you know what I think of it.
 
JustAFan said:
As I was doing a quick google of Howland Reed, I came across a link (which I did not bother clicking) to a theory that the High Sparrow is in fact.....Howland Reed. Will read it later and let you know what I think of it.
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I doubt it. Howland Reed is an Old God follower, the High Sparrow the faith of the seven.
 
JustAFan said:
As I was doing a quick google of Howland Reed, I came across a link (which I did not bother clicking) to a theory that the High Sparrow is in fact.....Howland Reed. Will read it later and let you know what I think of it.
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Just read it, it's certainly interesting but seems a little far-fetched at times, the motives are rather weak and it's mostly based on his appearance described by several persons... It would be a big surprise if he is indeed the High Sparrow though, one I could definitely live with. He has to play his part rather sooner than later now and it's known that crannogmen don't fight in open spaces and are rather craven, so I don't know what good he could be in a real war. However, now he's got a considerable army within King's Landing, which could be very intersting if Jon reunites the North and marches off to KL.

A lot of people also seem to think that the High Sparrow is an accomplice of Varys, waiting for Aegon's return. After all, Varys killed Kevan and Pycelle because they wanted to restore the order in KL, so why would he let a highly influencial religious nutter live if he wasn't in on it? Might make sense as well.

Gol123 said:
I doubt it. Howland Reed is an Old God follower, the High Sparrow the faith of the seven.
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If it's truly Howland Reed, his role as High Sparrow would only be one to misguide his enemies, doesn't necessarily mean he has changed his religion.
 
RobinLFC said:
Just read it, it's certainly interesting but seems a little far-fetched at times, the motives are rather weak and it's mostly based on his appearance described by several persons... It would be a big surprise if he is indeed the High Sparrow though, one I could definitely live with. He has to play his part rather sooner than later now and it's known that crannogmen don't fight in open spaces and are rather craven, so I don't know what good he could be in a real war. However, now he's got a considerable army within King's Landing, which could be very intersting if Jon reunites the North and marches off to KL.

A lot of people also seem to think that the High Sparrow is an accomplice of Varys, waiting for Aegon's return. After all, Varys killed Kevan and Pycelle because they wanted to restore the order in KL, so why would he let a highly influencial religious nutter live if he wasn't in on it? Might make sense as well.



If it's truly Howland Reed, his role as High Sparrow would only be one to misguide his enemies, doesn't necessarily mean he has changed his religion.
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That would require a lot of dedication though. The High Sparrow was walking barefoot from the Riverlands to Kings Landing. I doubt its anybody but a religious zealot. That's the point if this story, the power and danger in unwavering belief. The High Sparrow will take Kings Landing with his faith militant and then be deceived by his religion in some way. GRRM is using it to show people not to blindly believe what isn't certain in life.

Making him Howland Reed would undermine that message.
 
Shane88 said:
My wacky theory is that she goes mad like Aerys in the end. Nearly nothing to base this off other than Aerys wiki where it says he wasn't a bad guy in his early years and during his early reign, the Seven Kingdoms prospered but stillborn children, miscarriages and children dying very young started his descent into madness.



Duskendale pushed him over the edge completely...



Dany being unable to have children may affect her like it did Aerys and being held in Vaes Dothrak by the Dosh Khaleen may be her Duskendale.
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Actually I hope something like this happens. Otherwise I find her character and story arc almost boring and predictable. It's similar with Jon.
 
Anyone else read the chapter posted by GRRM to his website? The story-line is so drastically different.
 
Oh cool, new chapter released yesterday on his site.
 
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I have never actually read the books, I tried reading the first one but it was a bit too similar to the show so I stopped. Is it worth reading on? I hear that there are loads of characters and storylines in the books that they missed out. And on the show Barristan Selmy is dead but he's alive in the books or something?
 
TitusCrumble said:
I have never actually read the books, I tried reading the first one but it was a bit too similar to the show so I stopped. Is it worth reading on? I hear that there are loads of characters and storylines in the books that they missed out. And on the show Barristan Selmy is dead but he's alive in the books or something?
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Books are totally worth your time if you are into reading. There is a whole lot of people that the show doesn't mention that's in the books.
 
TitusCrumble said:
I have never actually read the books, I tried reading the first one but it was a bit too similar to the show so I stopped. Is it worth reading on? I hear that there are loads of characters and storylines in the books that they missed out. And on the show Barristan Selmy is dead but he's alive in the books or something?
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You're asking in the book readers thread if we recommend you read the books?
 
TitusCrumble said:
I have never actually read the books, I tried reading the first one but it was a bit too similar to the show so I stopped. Is it worth reading on? I hear that there are loads of characters and storylines in the books that they missed out. And on the show Barristan Selmy is dead but he's alive in the books or something?
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