I guess, in a good enough shape to become the new Lord Stark.
Ramsey needs him to lure Jon into returning Sansa. The battle of the Bastards, etc etc.
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Ramsey needs him to lure Jon into returning Sansa. The battle of the Bastards, etc etc.
Another question, do any of us even care about little Rickie? I mean if the roles had been reversed and Shaggy Dog had been paraded in and then we were presented with Rickon's severed head, how would we feel?
Also speaking of Dire Wolves, Jon walks out alone, where was Ghost?
Also speaking of Dire Wolves, Jon walks out alone, where was Ghost?
I care about Rickon. Someone has to preserve the Stark's legacy, and I don't want Sansa to be that person.
Thought it was a pretty dull episode, all in all. So much filler. The only scenes of note and any significance were the flashback, the execution at Castle Black and the Rickon stuff. Everything else was absolutely unnecessary and very drawn out.
For example, did we really need that cringy and bizarrely long Varys interrogation to tell us who was funding the Harpies? I felt like we already knew who Danny's enemies were. Don't think that revelation was particularly significant or shocking. And they kind of presented it as such.
The King's Landing stuff is just wheel-spinning at this point. Cersei is evil and wants to kill people, Jaime is her little bitch, Tommen is clueless and doesn't know what to do, The Faith is kind of unstoppable and does whatever it wants. Can we get to the point already? Or at least send Jaime to the Riverlands and save his what's left of his reversing character development? Clearly there's no hope for Cersei. She'll just die as the same character that we saw in the pilot.
Not sure what exactly they're going for with the Danny's stuff. I mean, I do know what is going to happen, it's stupidly predictable, but are we supposed to take her side and see the Dothraki as the cruel barbarians here? Another hardship for our protagonist? Because I don't see how anything they're doing is wrong.
I did like the TOJ scenes. I don't really understand why they cut Hightower but maybe it will be explained. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. I also liked that they cut away before Ned got to Lyanna. Makes me think there's something more than just R+L=J that we'll learn, something that actually affects the plot.
For example, did we really need that cringy and bizarrely long Varys interrogation to tell us who was funding the Harpies? I felt like we already knew who Danny's enemies were. Don't think that revelation was particularly significant or shocking. And they kind of presented it as such.
The King's Landing stuff is just wheel-spinning at this point. Cersei is evil and wants to kill people, Jaime is her little bitch, Tommen is clueless and doesn't know what to do, The Faith is kind of unstoppable and does whatever it wants. Can we get to the point already? Or at least send Jaime to the Riverlands and save his what's left of his reversing character development? Clearly there's no hope for Cersei. She'll just die as the same character that we saw in the pilot.
Not sure what exactly they're going for with the Danny's stuff. I mean, I do know what is going to happen, it's stupidly predictable, but are we supposed to take her side and see the Dothraki as the cruel barbarians here? Another hardship for our protagonist? Because I don't see how anything they're doing is wrong.
I did like the TOJ scenes. I don't really understand why they cut Hightower but maybe it will be explained. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. I also liked that they cut away before Ned got to Lyanna. Makes me think there's something more than just R+L=J that we'll learn, something that actually affects the plot.
Any thoughts/comments on Maester Q-Bert taking over the little birds?
I thought that vindicates Varys' character, in the first few chapters Little Finger accuses him of taking kids from his brothels as a nefarious move. Now we know he was actually grooming them as spies rather than something ulterior.
Wonder if this means a change in fate for Kevan Lannister or a change in who does the deed and why?
Does this also mean Qyburn is actually loyal to Cersei? Is his character really as far as just being a freaky maester who just wants the platform to transgress human anatomy? I always felt like he had some ulterior motive/loyalty, probably to Doran. But that certainly isn't the case here.
The one thing I found interesting in the preview is Littlefinger's words about Sansa "not being safe". It's a pretty big giveaway of what's about to happen.
Also to play devil's advocate to the R + L = J theory. I thought all Targaryens have blonde/silver hair no matter who they mate with or is that wrong? This was hinted pretty strongly when Jon Arryn was going through the family genealogies and mating hunting dogs to test his theories that Baratheon kids always have Jet Black hair.
Jon has black hair so could he just be Robert's son that Ned was hiding from the Lannisters after Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna to use as a bargaining tool for his own children?
Jon has black hair so could he just be Robert's son that Ned was hiding from the Lannisters after Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna to use as a bargaining tool for his own children?
Please, don't overthink this one. Jon is a Stark in facial features and not a stag.
How awesome was that Umber scene with Ramsay. He had some great lines. 
No, not all Targaryens have blonde/silver hair. We haven't really had a Targaryen / Stark offspring so we don't know which family's traits will be the dominate in that particular combination. Arryn's and later Ned's investigation led him to the phrase "The seed is strong", meaning every one of Robert's kids had his physical characteristics. His genes were clearly very dominant. That is not to say that every person with black hair is his child, which is basically what you're going with, but that the blonde kids are not really his. Ned got a whole genealogy book and couldn't find a single time the Baratheon features gave way to Lannister features.
R + L = J is about as nailed on as any fan theory I can remember in anything.
Yeah I was playing devil's advocate here as Targaryens are shown to be blonde and Starks are shown to be brownish haired but I also remember reading in the book that only Arya and Jon take after Ned in terms of hair and facial features so we don't have much to go with.
Nope.
Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna before the war started. There was no bargaining tool for his children.
And not all Targaryans have silver hairs. A lot of Targaryans have been married on other families, and their children didn't have silver hair. For example, Baratheons themselves have Targaryan ascendants. In fact, the grandmother of Robert's wife was a cousin of Mad King's grandfather/grandmother.
Dawn didn't seem impressive enough. I was a little let down.
Seriously. He frigging massacred them even when it was 1 vs 4. And it didn't look forced like Sand Bitches, he just looked far better than the others.
He was impressive, I'm talking about his sword Dawn. The greatest of all the great swords in Westeros. You couldn't tell it apart from the other apart from the hilt.
They replaced Dawn with two swords (as longswords/great swords require 2 hands)
Ahhh, not bad. He was basically how I imagined him to be.
Sorry, misread it. They didn't show Dawn at all, and replaced it with two swords. No idea why.
Probably because it would've been harder to make the battle seem realistic. He was surrounded by 4 guys, there's no way for him to defend himself with just one sword and not look like a Sand Snakes bit. The choreography just looks better with two swords.
Having them in Targ armors kind of took away from their glamour, I thought, but I guess the message that they're on their side had to be communicated to the watchers somehow. And by somehow I mean the most obvious way possible.
Having them in Targ armors kind of took away from their glamour, I thought, but I guess the message that they're on their side had to be communicated to the watchers somehow. And by somehow I mean the most obvious way possible.
Darth Dayne was great
It also is very hard to justify Dawn, a sword that was made from the material ironed out of a falling star, that glows as pale light etc etc.
Also, if you're trying to emphasise the idea that Dayne was far better than Ned then having him fight with two swords is a pretty easy way of illustrating your point.
Isn't this from AFFC?
Does anyone like the endgame of the show? While, it was always going towards a clash between humanity and the Others, the show is taking the full Wheel of Time road (or Lord of the Rings road) on doing so. It is quite clear that Danny will unify all the Khalasars under her rule, and almost surely, Jon will unify the Westeros. Then Team Jon and Team Danny will join forces against the undead. A bit boring.
I much preferred the idea of Danny being a semi-villain figure when she goes to Westeros, but it looks that she is staying in Essos for this season too. And then just won't be time for an another civil war in Westeros in addition to the final battle.
I much preferred the idea of Danny being a semi-villain figure when she goes to Westeros, but it looks that she is staying in Essos for this season too. And then just won't be time for an another civil war in Westeros in addition to the final battle.
Yeah, it is a bit shit. And by doing this, it butchers every interesting side-arc that doesn't necessarily relate entirely to the final plot.
Books probably develop them in their own good time, but shows can't.
I have been starting to have some doubts about where Dany ends up. Dany, Tyrion and either Jon or Bran riding in on dragon's to save the day and destroy the others in the last few chapters seems so obvious an ending that it would seem disappointing in some ways. Could I see her deciding to stay in Essos and rule there, rather than bothering with Westeros? Yeah but on the other hand then what is the point of the freaking dragons. So I come back around to her having to come to Westeros and at some point help defeat the Others.
Wouldn't say it makes it shit, but it makes it a bit more ordinary. For all the ASOIAF has nothing to do with LotR, is looks that the endgame might be completely the same.
I also wouldn't agree that it butchers non-necessary arcs. If Jon and Danny are humans only hopes, then surely their road to that is very important. For example, without a divided country plagues by countless civil wars, Jon would likely struggle to unify Westeros. Without Danny's leadership (despite Clarke's total lack of charisma) and her dragons, humanity doesn't have a chance anyway.
I mean from the beginning, it was clear that the endgame will be completely based around these two characters. Just that I hoped that it will be a bit more complicated (like a possible civil war between Danny and Aegon, Danny initially sacking the Kingslanding and becoming a villain figure, etc etc). My prediction for the show, is that this season will be all about Danny unifying Essos while Jon unified the North. Then the Others attack with Jon being the only thing stopping them from invading Westeros, but still Jon losing the war, until Danny comes to save the day.
My problem is more on how the endgame will be realized rather than the endgame itself. Or it is probably a prediction that isn't going to be true, anyway.
There is no way that Danny isn't sailing for Westeros.
Jon might unify the entire realm (not only the North), and still there is no way he is winning this war without Danny's help. Really, difficult to win against some freaks that don't get killed (unless they got hit by Obsidian or Valyrian Steel). The only way for mankind to win this is by the help of Danny's dragons who can burn the Others.
I'm not sure there would be a battle at all, to be honest. At least not what I think people imagine - everyone coming together and clashing with the White Walkers and winning with the help of three dragons ridden by some "chosen" superstars. It all sounds to me like a very ill-fitting end to this particular story. It just makes so much of what's happened kind of irrelevant. And the character complexity, anti-war elements etc. - it all just takes a step back for some cliche good vs evil action? Meh.
he gets made master of whisperers or something like that, but not sure if control of the little birds comes with that.
But at the end of ADWD, who is back in Kings Landing putting an end to Maester Pycelle and Kevan Lannister with the help of his little birds? Varys.
They shouldn't set them up if they're going to leave them unresolved or end them horribly. Dorne is a perfect example.
Qyburn definitely takes control of the little birds. He mentions to Cersei that they made themselves known to him pretty quickly after Varys left. Though since Varys never actually left the city, they were probably just acting as double agents on Varys' behalf.
That's it. I really need to get back and read these books again, especially AFFC, that one just did not stick with me at all.
Now how's this for a plot twist. Robert Strong AKA Frankenmountain AKA Mountainstein AKA The Skull Popper, well he is sworn to destroy Cersei's enemies. Definitely some dark science and possibly some dark magic involved in his creation, these things in the ASOIAF always come with some sort of cost or a catch to them. Or the irony if he comes to realize that Cersei is in fact, her own worst enemy. It would be a twist for sure. It will never happen, but imagine the look on her face right before he pops her like some teenagers zit.