So has Daenerys. In fact, she is the only one we know for sure that it is more beautiful than Cersei.
Sansa is still too young in the books. Arya wasn't ever mentioned to be beautiful and is still a little girl. Margaery might be.
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Sansa is still too young in the books. Arya wasn't ever mentioned to be beautiful and is still a little girl. Margaery might be.
She's 16, and her beauty was emphasised repeatedly from the first to fifth book.
A whack job theory has her marrying Jon. Could you imagine
She's 16, and her beauty was emphasised repeatedly from the first to fifth book.
A whack job theory has her marrying Jon. Could you imagine
Not in the books. She is still 13, by the end of the fifth book. Don't get fooled by Sophie Turner's age and hotness.
Dany is only 16 years old by the end of the fifth book.
Isn't 'Alayne' 15-16 by the new chapter? Think she was 11 when they got to King's Landing, and near 14 when she escaped to the Vale.
Still 13 by the end of the fifth book. No idea how old she is on the sixth book, haven't read the new chapters.
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Not a book reader, but I wanna give this a go.
According to wiki, there are 5 books out so far.
We are in season 6 on TV, but how far in book terms is these?
Cheers
According to wiki, there are 5 books out so far.
We are in season 6 on TV, but how far in book terms is these?
Cheers
I've not read all the books, from what I can tell the show is ahead on some plots but behind on others.
Ok, cheers. Seems a bit strange that the tv show can take over the author and his ideas but fair enough
Iron Islands- behind
Jaime - they did their own story but that is behind where he is at in the books
The rest of the storylines are at or beyond the end of ADWD, unless I've missed some
Jaime - they did their own story but that is behind where he is at in the books
It's tied to the Riverlands after the Red Wedding where the Freys are now the power in the region, which hasn't been covered in the show yet
The rest of the storylines are at or beyond the end of ADWD, unless I've missed some
The reason I want to go down the book route is, I just feel like I am missing quite a bit of the story with the TV only
It feels like a very edited highlights package.
Well, of course you are. You should definitely read them, if you like the show. The first three, especially, are ace and you'll love them even though you know what's going to happen. It's a much different experience.
Be prepared to hate some parts of the show afterwards though and turn into a moaning bastard.
The story in the show is quite shallow compared to the books, as you would expect given the difference between the mediums.
Characters have been cut, and their roles blended into others which completely change the plot, and alter the characters as they are in the books. Other characters have been straight up interpreted differently in the show, sometimes for the better (Tywin) but mostly to the detriment of the work (Jaime, Stannis, Brienne, Sansa and Doran Martell being the ones that immediately come to mind)
I'd definitely recommend reading the books, and I'm someone who struggles to stay interested in novels
Characters have been cut, and their roles blended into others which completely change the plot, and alter the characters as they are in the books. Other characters have been straight up interpreted differently in the show, sometimes for the better (Tywin) but mostly to the detriment of the work (Jaime, Stannis, Brienne, Sansa and Doran Martell being the ones that immediately come to mind)
I'd definitely recommend reading the books, and I'm someone who struggles to stay interested in novels
There's also no bizarre love story between a eunuch and a translator. The books are well worth reading and in some parts tell a very different story.
The translator is a child, which is important for Dany's arc in the books.
Was pretty pleased with the the Tower of Joy scene. It was never going to have as much detail as the dream in the books, that probably would have required much more back-story to be clearly established but it was still well done and left you wanting more.
Only having two Kingsguard there was weird though.
Only having two Kingsguard there was weird though.
Yeah I really liked Tower of Joy. There have been major incidents in the past that have been a bit...off, but that was quite solid and kept some big lines, or only tweaked them slightly so that they still had the same meaning behind them. The fight itself was excellent: Dayne was portrayed to be an absolute badass and excellent fighter, and we've been introduced to Howland Reed now as well. Gerold got offed quickly, but probably needed to affirm the status of Dayne.
Shaggydog was a surprise...but hopefully it's a decoy. Still expect the Umbers are behind the Starks in some form, although giving Rickon to Ramsay would be risky as hell.
And Edd is now Lord Commander.
Shaggydog was a surprise...but hopefully it's a decoy. Still expect the Umbers are behind the Starks in some form, although giving Rickon to Ramsay would be risky as hell.
And Edd is now Lord Commander.
Also feck Olly.
It's a bit like the Bloodraven discrepancies. It wouldn't take that much effort to get it right for such an important scene. I guess it doesn't take away from the show since they don't explain who Gerold Hightower and Oswell Whent were or their renown. Add another Kingsguard and another companion. Seven vs 3 instead of 6 vs 2.
Probably done to show Dayne as a super badass. Arthur Dayne scenes were well done and backs up Ned's version from his visions while he was in prison.
I can't believe they did the towe of joy scenes and yet we are no closer to the R+L = J theory. FFS
Yeah I really liked Tower of Joy. There have been major incidents in the past that have been a bit...off, but that was quite solid and kept some big lines, or only tweaked them slightly so that they still had the same meaning behind them. The fight itself was excellent: Dayne was portrayed to be an absolute badass and excellent fighter, and we've been introduced to Howland Reed now as well. Gerold got offed quickly, but probably needed to affirm the status of Dayne.
Shaggydog was a surprise...but hopefully it's a decoy. Still expect the Umbers are behind the Starks in some form, although giving Rickon to Ramsay would be risky as hell.
And Edd is now Lord Commander.
The North remembers.
But do the screenwriters?
Meanwhile, Barristan Selmy dies fighting the Harpies...
They'll have Ramsey dying after getting shanked with a toothpick from one of the Sand Snakes.
I kind of heard a child crying and commotion during that scene before Ned races to the stairs, which 90% confirms that theory I think.
I was really hoping they'd nail the fight scene what with Dayne's reputation and they did, he looked class.
No Dawn though. The shining pale blade probably would've looked a bit out of place on the show though but the two swords were a badass replacement.
Meanwhile, Barristan Selmy dies fighting the Harpies...
They'll have Ramsey dying after getting shanked with a toothpick from one of the Sand Snakes.
One of the greatest injustices of all time. Barristan Selmy, 'Go sing in the streets' , can you fecking not?
Yeah, probably made the switch to make the fighting scenes look spectacular.
I hope they don't pin it all religion. Rhaegar was well liked, so him running off/raping/kidnapping Lyana was out of character. Hopefully he didn't get some vision of how he has to sire a son with Lyanna to save the world. That would be the easy way out. I don't konw what kind of a compelling argument they would build to justify Rhaegar's actions.
Probably just a love triangle. Robert loved Lyanna, Lynna was betrothed to him but loved Rhaegar after he gives her the flower at the tourney and they eloped together.
Disagree. I think with all the ToJ hype, it was easy to forget that they had to deal with the aftermath of Jon Snow and that whole pesky resurrection thing. They did it right, giving the viewer (not necessarily a book reader) just enough of a sense of ToJ in an episode that was rightly all about Jon's return. R+L=J is such a monumental thing that it deserves its own time. I'm sure they'll flesh that eventual scene out, giving Bran (the viewer) a chance to digest it all and understand what it all means. They will fully clear up the past which will give weight to the future. I'm guessing Dany sees something about the Targaryen past at Vaes Dothrak that also ties into when/why she needs to go to Westeros.
Cleganebowl is happening. Guessing that was a doublecross by Umber.
I meant to express my frustration alone. I think the show handled it well like you said. I kind of spoiled clegane arc in this thread, unfortunately.
I don't know if it's as simple as that. Rhaegar seems to be well liked and he must know what would happen if he kidnaps Starks daughter, especially one betrothed to Robert baratheon.
Ramsay writes a letter to Jon in the books, guessing that's how he'll find out about Rickon in the show and decide to save him/retake Winterfell.
It's a number of things, Rhaegar believed in the prophecy (the dragon must have three heads), he fell for Lyanna at Harenhall and followed his heart since he believed in destiny and thought it was meant to be per the prophecy.
Well, he already had three heads (Rhaegar, Viserys and Dany) for the prophecy. I'm hoping some greenseer cnut didn't get into his head and asked him to kidnap Lyanna.
Also, no time travel nonsense with Bran and Ned Stark please. That would be fecking shit.
I'm also of the opinion that nothing from Targaryen past is at Vaes Dothrak. The only reason she may go there is to get more warriors to invade Westeros.
He believed the Prince that was Promised is one of his children, and since he had only 2 with Elia, he needed a third.
Yeah, we are already reaching with these assumptions. Let's hope it doesn't appear cliched.
Unfortunately D&D have no appreciation for nuances, so Rhaegar will inevitably comes off like an ass in the TV show.
Great episode for most part. Arthur Dayne was amazing.
However, 'The North Remembers' has really been dumbed down to that old woman resistance last season.
However, 'The North Remembers' has really been dumbed down to that old woman resistance last season.
Bloodraven might as well just say "Bran we have to save some stuff for other episodes".