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Cina said:
Oi, the same rules about trailers and future episodes apply here too. Just because we can discuss the books doesn't make future episode stuff exempt.
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Bleh, dont bring them stupid rules into this thread pls.

We've been free to speculate for the past 5 years or whatever so why change now.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
It's in A Game of Thrones, Ned is remembering it while in jail. It was when he, Howland Reed, William Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassell, Theo Wull and Mark Ryswell go to rescue Lyanna from the Tower of Joy, to find Gerold Hightower, Oswell Whent and Arthur motherfecking Dayne guarding it. It is also my favourite bit of writing from the entire series:

“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.

“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.

“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.

“When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”

“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”

“I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”

“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.

“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”

“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.

“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”

“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.

“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.

Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.

“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.

“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”

Only Ned and Howland survived, the implication being that Howland Reed is the only living person who actually knows what happened with Lyanna (e.g. R+L=J). On reflection given that only one loyal man was sent with the queen and Viserys, and yet 3 of the best of the Kingsguard were ordered to guard Lyanna, it's all the more likely that what was being guarded was the secret Targaeryan legacy.
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Definitely one of the best pieces in the books.

In addition, it is very likely that they cheated somehow to defeat Dayne. Probably, Reed ski changed into him when Ned made the killing blow. Ned says that he would have been dead if it wasn't for Reed, but Reed was never a great warrior, with Dayne mentioned as the best warrior seen by anyone in the books.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
It's in A Game of Thrones, Ned is remembering it while in jail. It was when he, Howland Reed, William Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassell, Theo Wull and Mark Ryswell go to rescue Lyanna from the Tower of Joy, to find Gerold Hightower, Oswell Whent and Arthur motherfecking Dayne guarding it. It is also my favourite bit of writing from the entire series:

“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.

“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.

“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.

“When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”

“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”

“I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”

“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.

“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”

“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.

“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”

“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.

“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.

Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.

“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.

“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”

Only Ned and Howland survived, the implication being that Howland Reed is the only living person who actually knows what happened with Lyanna (e.g. R+L=J). On reflection given that only one loyal man was sent with the queen and Viserys, and yet 3 of the best of the Kingsguard were ordered to guard Lyanna, it's all the more likely that what was being guarded was the secret Targaeryan legacy.
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Yeah, there's a very good post on Reddit which looks at the lines in-depth to kind of reveal what's going on. The line about Willem being a good man, but not of the Kingsguard, is particularly revealing as to why the KG's remain at the Tower of Joy.
 
Friend of mine asked Maisie Williams if Rickon Stark is coming back this year......it's now all over the internet. Cracker.
 
fishfingers15 said:
What? If you read this thread, we've posted so much about the Lyanna theory that any discussion on spoilers is all but useless. This is ridiculous, it's a book thread. And considering the series will contain spoilers for us book readers, we should also think about insta ban for serial watchers and non book readers coming here in the near future.
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Read my post? I never said speculation. I said trailers for future episodes, or potential spoilers like episode names etc. These are not book related.

I was referring to this:
harshad said:
I re-watched the trailer for episode 3 and there seems to be some sort of psuedo agression when the guy playing young Ned delivers the line. I hope it comes off better in the actual episode.
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It's talk about the trailer for a future episode and should've been put in spoiler tags.

caid said:
Bleh, dont bring them stupid rules into this thread pls.

We've been free to speculate for the past 5 years or whatever so why change now.
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Again - I never mentioned speculation. You should read the post before replying.
 
If Rickon is the surprise then I guess he'll just be a hostage used to force Jon into battle. Season will probably end with Sansa, Jon and Rickon reunited, which is nice.
 
sullydnl said:
If Rickon is the surprise then I guess he'll just be a hostage used to force Jon into battle. Season will probably end with Sansa, Jon and Rickon reunited, which is nice.
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Be even nicer if it's just their heads reunited on spikes at Kings Landing.
 
Cina said:
Read my post? I never said speculation. I said trailers for future episodes, or potential spoilers like episode names etc. These are not book related.

I was referring to this:

It's talk about the trailer for a future episode and should've been put in spoiler tags.


Again - I never mentioned speculation. You should read the post before replying.
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I read the post and it still doesn't make any sense to me.

All trailers, future and current episodes are going to be book related, as the whole series is based on a book.

In this thread, we have always discussed about what could happen in the future without spoiler tags because we've read about it in the books for a long time. It's enough nonsense in the other thread with spoilers and thread bans, let this thread be. It's pretty stupid for us to put things in spoiler tags when it comes to trailers but freely post what's going to happen in a future episode altogether. We've had plenty of discussions about the Tower of joy etc here.

Just make it simple and don't come here if you don't want spoilers. At least, in my opinion.
 
I wonder how well the serial will capture the Tower of Joy scenes without any background info on the Harrenhal tourney. I searched to see if Rhaegar Targarean is cast on this season, that would be a nice character.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah, there's a very good post on Reddit which looks at the lines in-depth to kind of reveal what's going on. The line about Willem being a good man, but not of the Kingsguard, is particularly revealing as to why the KG's remain at the Tower of Joy.
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Yeah, there could only be one reason, really. Which raises the question though - how could no one in Westeros asks themselves what half of the kingsguard is doing on a vacation in Dorne, while there's a coup going on against their king. What are they doing there and why weren't they in KL or the Trident? Lyanna alone just can't be accepted as a reason for that. Not even Varys appears to be curious about that.
 
Scarecrow said:
Yeah, there could only be one reason, really. Which raises the question though - how could no one in Westeros asks themselves what half of the kingsguard is doing on a vacation in Dorne, while there's a coup going on against their king. What are they doing there? Not even Varys appears to be curious about that.
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True, I've always found the lack of suspicion in R + L = J from other characters to be a bit convenient for the plot.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I read the post and it still doesn't make any sense to me.

All trailers, future and current episodes are going to be book related, as the whole series is based on a book.

In this thread, we have always discussed about what could happen in the future without spoiler tags because we've read about it in the books for a long time. It's enough nonsense in the other thread with spoilers and thread bans, let this thread be. It's pretty stupid for us to put things in spoiler tags when it comes to trailers but freely post what's going to happen in a future episode altogether. We've had plenty of discussions about the Tower of joy etc here.

Just make it simple and don't come here if you don't want spoilers. At least, in my opinion.
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You're wrong, seeing as the show has surpassed the books. The situation is different now.

It's real simple.

Speculation is fine.

Actual potential spoilers, such as discussion about trailers, need to go in spoiler tags. It's not unreasonable to want to both discuss the show regarding the books and not get future episodes spoiled by people discussing trailers. A lot of people don't like to watch the trailers.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I read the post and it still doesn't make any sense to me.

All trailers, future and current episodes are going to be book related, as the whole series is based on a book.

In this thread, we have always discussed about what could happen in the future without spoiler tags because we've read about it in the books for a long time. It's enough nonsense in the other thread with spoilers and thread bans, let this thread be. It's pretty stupid for us to put things in spoiler tags when it comes to trailers but freely post what's going to happen in a future episode altogether. We've had plenty of discussions about the Tower of joy etc here.

Just make it simple and don't come here if you don't want spoilers. At least, in my opinion.
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Isn't the point that a 'next episode preview' trailer confirms situations and events will happen in that episode and therefore discussion of it should be spoilered for the benefit of those who want to approach the episode as a blank slate?

Speculating on whether they'll show certain things from the books and what those events could mean is different to confirming something will be shown etc.
 
Cina said:
You're wrong, seeing as the show has surpassed the books. The situation is different now.

It's real simple.

Speculation is fine.

Actual potential spoilers, such as discussion about trailers, need to go in spoiler tags. It's not unreasonable to want to both discuss the show regarding the books and not get future episodes spoiled by people discussing trailers. A lot of people don't like to watch the trailers.
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This entire thread is full of potential spoilers man. FFS.

Read the 166 page, It speculates on who is a oathbreaker, which is the title of a future episode. It hasn't gone in spoiler tags in this thread. A lot of people don't watch trailers and a lot of people don't read fan theories and a lot of people don't know the name of the next episode. Stop making rules in this thread as you go along.
 
fishfingers15 said:
This entire thread is full of potential spoilers man. FFS.

Read the 166 page, It speculates on who is a oathbreaker, which is the title of a future episode. It hasn't gone in spoiler tags in this thread. A lot of people don't watch trailers and a lot of people don't read fan theories and a lot of people don't know the name of the next episode. Stop making rules in this thread as you go along.
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And they don't want to know, either.

Seriously, how are you not grasping this shit? Trailers contain spoilers for the show, spoilers should go in spoiler tags. It's literally a fecking tiny little thing. You're making a mountain out of a molehill on this.
 
Cina said:
And they don't want to know, either.

Seriously, how are you not grasping this shit? Trailers contain spoilers for the show, spoilers should go in spoiler tags. It's literally a fecking tiny little thing. You're making a mountain out of a molehill on this.
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At least, ask the other posters in this thread on what they think about this kind of spoiler rule before mandating it. In this thread, we've never cared about spoilers for the show, whether it was shown in a trailer or not. Why change a rule suddenly?
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Isn't the point that a 'next episode preview' trailer confirms situations and events will happen in that episode and therefore discussion of it should be spoilered for the benefit of those who want to approach the episode as a blank slate?

Speculating on whether they'll show certain things from the books and what those events could mean is different to confirming something will be shown etc.
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I understand what it means, but then should it not apply to most things instead of trailers? For instance,
we know for sure that Hound will be resurrected this season, based on casting and spoiler information that is available. It's not shown in the trailer, but we know it's going to happen.

This thread has always been half speculation and half confirmation on future events. We introduce spoilers for 'trailers' and soon we'll be splitting hairs about what should be in spoiler tags and what not. It's easier to continue the understanding that this thread will always contain spoilers.
 
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fishfingers15 said:
I understand what it means, but then should it not apply to most things instead of trailers? For instance, we know for sure that Hound will be resurrected this season, based on casting and spoiler information that is available. It's not shown in the trailer, but we know it's going to happen.

This thread has always been half speculation and half confirmation on future events. We introduce spoilers for 'trailers' and soon we'll be splitting hairs about what should be in spoiler tags and what not. It's easier to continue the understanding that this thread will always contain spoilers.
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In other words, it will be as shit as the other thread, where most of the posts are done in accusing each other for spoiling some shit.
 
fishfingers15 said:
At least, ask the other posters in this thread on what they think about this kind of spoiler rule before mandating it. In this thread, we've never cared about spoilers for the show, whether it was shown in a trailer or not. Why change a rule suddenly?
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Except it's not new, sorry.
Cina said:
We're caught up to the leaked episodes now anyway @Revan so anything goes in here, as always.

EDIT: Apart from potential future TV specific spoilers, like from trailers etc.

Feck me this is too complex these days.
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Revan said:
In other words, it will be as shit as the other thread, where most of the posts are done in accusing each other for spoiling some shit.
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It'll be nothing like the other thread you absolute drama queen.

It's one, tiny, simple, minuscule rule: Don't openly post spoilers for episodes that have yet to air.
 
Cina said:
Except it's not new, sorry.
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Sorry for not reading all your posts, they are mostly shit anyway.


Cina said:
It'll be nothing like the other thread you absolute drama queen.

It's one, tiny, simple, minuscule rule: Don't openly post spoilers for episodes that have yet to air.
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:lol:

Most of this thread then? I'm not in favor of this spoiler rule in this thread. Don't read this thread if you don't want spoilers for episodes that hasn't aired. You ought to ask posters in this thread before mandating it. Why don't you ask how they feel about this and go from there?
 
fishfingers15 said:
Sorry for not reading all your posts, they are mostly shit anyway.




:lol:

Most of this thread then? I'm not in favor of this spoiler rule in this thread. Don't read this thread if you don't want spoilers for episodes that hasn't aired. You ought to ask posters in this thread before mandating it. Why don't you ask how they feel about this and go from there?
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Jesus, you're really taking this to heart aren't you?

All right, if the majority do say they want it that's fine. I only originally made that post because I assumed it was the norm to, you know, not spoil future episodes in here already. I wasn't trying to introduce a new rule.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Most of this thread then? I'm not in favor of this spoiler rule in this thread. Don't read this thread if you don't want spoilers for episodes that hasn't aired. You ought to ask posters in this thread before mandating it. Why don't you ask how they feel about this and go from there?
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It's been like this for every single TV show thread for as long as I can remember. Why would everyone in here want future episodes spoiled for them?
 
Cina said:
Jesus, you're really taking this to heart aren't you?

All right, if the majority do say they want it that's fine. I only originally made that post because I assumed it was the norm to, you know, not spoil future episodes in here already. I wasn't trying to introduce a new rule.
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Cina, I'm not taking this to heart. If people here feel that spoiler tag is the best way to go, I'm happy to do it. It's not something we've done so far and we've done on plenty of speculation/confirming on all types of info, starting from trailers, cast info, book material and fan theories.
 
kps88 said:
It's been like this for every single TV show thread for as long as I can remember. Why would everyone in here want future episodes spoiled for them?
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Because, this is not a thread about the serial, but based on the books. There are plenty of materials on the book that's available to us to speculate on how the serial story arc will progress.

Sorry, have i stepped into the wrong thread? It can't be, because I'm threadbanned in the other thread. Anyway, i'll let other posters comment on the spoilers first.
 
Yo, I don't understand what's going on. Would it be best to just not discuss Game of Thrones on this forum at all now? I mean it took a non-spoilerific post to get me banhammered in the TV show thread because well I dunno, and by the looks of it this thread is going south too.

I don't really care about people discussing trailers, and speculating from them, I take that risk by coming online, and then onto places I know will discuss Game of Thrones, same deal when people used to moan about spoilers from last nights episodes from whatever show - why in the hell are you in the thread then?? Just to moan and get people reported.(<---- not overly exclusive to GoT)
 
I am for spoil whatever the feck you want in this thread. If you don't want to get spoiled, go to the unsullied thread instead.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Because, this is not a thread about the serial, but based on the books. There are plenty of materials on the book that's available to us to speculate on how the serial story arc will progress.

Sorry, have i stepped into the wrong thread? It can't be, because I'm threadbanned in the other thread. Anyway, i'll let other posters comment on the spoilers first.
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Nobody is saying anything about speculation mate. The proposal is just about the trailer discussion, which is like 5 to 10 posts usually. Hardly that big of a deal.

I watch the trailers anyway, so I don't care either way. You've definitely discussed this for too long though. Move on.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Because, this is not a thread about the serial, but based on the books. There are plenty of materials on the book that's available to us to speculate on how the serial story arc will progress.

Sorry, have i stepped into the wrong thread? It can't be, because I'm threadbanned in the other thread. Anyway, i'll let other posters comment on the spoilers first.
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But ff, I haven't said not to spoiler the speculations based on the books? I really don't understand why this is such a problem. People who have read the books still have a right to not get future episodes flat out spoiled on them.
 
I swear if Martin's gardener leaked the last page of the final book, some of you would happily read it rather than enjoy the actual book.
 
Cina said:
But ff, I haven't said not to spoiler the speculations based on the books? I really don't understand why this is such a problem. People who have read the books still have a right to not get future episodes flat out spoiled on them.
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I do get that Cina, but in my opinion, it leads to more confusion on what has to be put in spoiler tag and what not.

For instance, when the episodes were leaked, I recall we did put that stuff on spoiler tags even here. But to only include trailer speculation in the immediate next episode is a bit cumbersome. I'm happy to tag along on what the majority decide.

kps88 said:
I swear if Martin's gardener leaked the last page of the final book, some of you would happily read it rather than enjoy the actual book.
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:lol:

I know a few guys who read the last page of the book and then proceed to read the full book.
 
kps88 said:
I swear if Martin's gardener leaked the last page of the final book, some of you would happily read it rather than enjoy the actual book.
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I actually suck at reading spoilers and then hating myself for doing so, but I have resisted reading those chapters of the new book.

About the to spoil or not to spoil trailers, in reality, I don't care either way cause I usually watch them and I am too lazy to post them here, but it would become a problem if the spoiling rules would become harsher in the future. And the biggest problem is that if someone posts an unspoilered trailer, the next two pages would be with people discussing why he did that, something that can be proven from the current discussion.
 
I don't see the confusion. Remember in the True Detective thread where someone gave away who the killer was based on casting list? That sort of outside information that has nothing to do with the books should obviously be in spoilers. For example,
I didn't know for sure that the Hound would be resurrected this season until Fishfingers mentioned it just now.
That's very obviously a spoiler that has nothing to do with book info and should be in spoiler tags.
 
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sullydnl said:
I don't see the confusion. Remember in the True Detective thread where someone gave away who the killer was based on casting list? That sort of outside information that has nothing to do with the books should obviously be in spoilers. For example, I didn't know for sure that the Hound would be resurrected this season until Fishfingers mentioned it just now. That's very obviously a spoiler that has nothing to do with book info and should be in spoiler tags.
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Yeah I did know either :(
 
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