Unfair comparison because none of them are adaptations from a book series. One which is incomplete nonetheless.
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Unfair comparison because none of them are adaptations from a book series. One which is incomplete nonetheless.
Nah, think it will Bran who wargs in past and sees that Jon is a Targ, and Meera and Sam meet where Sam comes to know who goes on to tell Jon
Meera and Samwell Tarly? How would they meet? Sam is on his way to Oldtown to become a maester and isn't it close to King's Landing?
Oh yeah..didn't think about that
. Thought oldtown was closer to winterfell. But that lady telling Meera that Bran needs him possibly seems to be an indicator that he would see something that he wouldn't have expected. Since Bran and Jon were close, feel it will be something related to himGranted, but one could also argue that as it has moved further from those same books that it has declined, not improved.
Oh yeah..didn't think about that
At some point in the future, Bran will have to move from the cave leaving Blood raven (incidentally, another legitimized Targ) and I think the child of the forest was saying to Meera that Bran would need Meera to convince others of what he has seen.
True, but re-capturing the Book level of grandiose details would be impossible IMO
No I get that too, I just think that for all its strengths, GoT is too flawed a show to be considered the best ever.
It may be for the non book readers though. That's why it's so difficult to judge GoT. You have two sets of viewers rating the show, one for just the show and another set of users rating the show against the accuracy with the books. It will definitely be one of the most ambitious show attempted with a very large viewer base. At least, till HBO decides on Silmarillon.
Nah, I have non-reader fans who acknowledge just how much quality has lessened since season 3 and how sporadic really good episodes have been.
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As for this episode... The pacing is so odd, we're racing through some arcs after drudging through them a season ago. All in all it was a pretty good episode. Some of the passages were quite awkward still - Tyrion's dialogue with the dragons, caricature-Ramsay striking again; 'I prefer being a single child' etc...
On the other hand, the flashback scenes seem pretty well done, Euron looked alright, or at least better than I expected. That was Damphair at the burial, right?
I thought Tyrion's talking to the dragons might be an indicator he might be a Targaryen (Aerys + Joanna) since he could 'interact' with them and they didn't harm him. His long-standing fascination with dragons was also stressed.
Even if not, he couldn't just walk into the place and set them free, they had to make it more believable. Don't know this was the best way but can't imagine what he could've told them otherwise.
The priest on the Iron Islands was Damphair, yes.
I would say that's a bit of a stretch. Maybe I'm easily pleased, but season 5 was the first I started to notice some gaps.
Yes, that is Aeron Damphair Greyjoy. They have to do a better job of the Kingsmoot. Let's hope he already knows that Euron Greyjoy has returned. If he doesn't know that, he doesn't have a valid claim not to give the throne to Asha/Yara.
This Tyrion is a Targ is a direct result of the 3 riders prophecy (Daenarys, Snow and Tyrion). I've seen good arguments for it and even better arguments against it.
I really don't think Tyrion is a Targ, in the books at least.I could see him being one of the riders however, I think the person's relationship with Daenarys and whether or not they are trying to bed/wed her is far more indicative of whether they'll be a rider than Targ blood.That's why I can't see Aegon becoming one.
Yea I think you are right, but that does rule out Jon Snow. Maybe they will develop a story arc there post Jon Snow's awakening.
I was in the Aegon camp, but the TV show left him out entirely and they must have done it for a reason. Aegon could be one of Varys' ruses.
I wouldn't rule Jon out completely but I think it's a bit much having the books three main characters be riders.Jon is also more of a leader of men.Hard to see him leave the battle on the ground.
Dragonriders don't necessarily needs to be Targaryan (or even from Old Valyria). Dragons liking Tyrion don't make him Targaryan.
I don't think that there is much in that theory. The main reason is that it cannot be proven in any case, while R+L+J can be proven both from Bran or from Meera's father.
I don't think that there is much in that theory. The main reason is that it cannot be proven in any case, while R+L+J can be proven both from Bran or from Meera's father.
Simply put him in fire, he won't burn.
I very much doubt that he's just some normal boy that Varys is presenting as Aegon. I think he's just a Blackfyre and we're about to see another one of their rebellions (in the books).
I am not even sure that there will be any "riders". I hope there aren't. I just can't fit that picture in the ASOIF world.
Edit: That last theory/prediction in the other thread is just
Agreed, he could either be a Blackfyre or a normal Valyrian featured boy planted by Varys to confuse people. There are speculative theories about Varys himself being related to Blackfyres or at least a Blackfyre bastard.
He is either Aegon, or a Blackfyre. Furthermore, if he is a Blackfyre, then there is a good chance that he is Illyrio's son with Varys' sister.
I do not see how riders don't work in ASOIAF, considering that riders have been omnipresent in the entire history of the world bar in the last 150 years when the dragons died. Now that there are dragons, there should be riders too.
Always thought that Danny with Aegon and Jon make sense to be the three riders considering that the original Aegon invaded Westeros with his two sisters. Here, it would be Danny with her two nephews. But with Aegon being cut from the show, it looks likely that instead he will be killed in the books from Danny, and Jon's character is more to lead from the front, which can work for him as Azor Ahai.
For half a second, I thought Tyrion was going to be Quentyn Martell'd.
Well, Damphair did say in the show that "these are the rules", so maybe they're just trying to present the Iron Islands as a democracy, in general.
Daenarys could be the AA and Bran being told that he will fly instead of walking by the last living Targaryan (apart from Dany) is another thing that needs to be considered as well
Another good episode.
I'm really quite apprehensive watching this series, it's an odd experience not knowing what will happen.
I thought there were lots of strong scenes, although it did suffer from the usual GoT issue of moving between important scenes too quickly.
Thank the Lord of light that they didn't feck up the resurrection scene.
I'm really quite apprehensive watching this series, it's an odd experience not knowing what will happen.
I thought there were lots of strong scenes, although it did suffer from the usual GoT issue of moving between important scenes too quickly.
Thank the Lord of light that they didn't feck up the resurrection scene.
Holy feck, so much fecking happened in that episode. Jon's resurrection was sort of expected, so it never really felt like the big moment of the episode to me.
Roose dying was a fecking shock. They've obviously built up Ramsay massively till now, but I didn't expect that to happen so soon. I feel a bit pissed off that they eliminated such a great character in Roose in such a simple manner...but maybe it fit. Roose was able to outwit everyone except his own son. I can see it happening similarly in the books, but probably in a more drawn out, developed manner. I suspect that Ramsay's actions will begin to send Boltons on a downward spiral. Roose was correct about the Northerners turning on them, and we know Manderlys/Umbers will side with the Starks. The killing of the baby was also shocking too.
Good to see Euron, but his "I am the storm brother" line sounded like something Hulk Hogan would say. And I don't know why Balon wouldn't just back off when he sees his shifty brother kicking about.
Jaime and High Sparrow scene was interesting too. That plotline is developing quite well at the moment.
Roose dying was a fecking shock. They've obviously built up Ramsay massively till now, but I didn't expect that to happen so soon. I feel a bit pissed off that they eliminated such a great character in Roose in such a simple manner...but maybe it fit. Roose was able to outwit everyone except his own son. I can see it happening similarly in the books, but probably in a more drawn out, developed manner. I suspect that Ramsay's actions will begin to send Boltons on a downward spiral. Roose was correct about the Northerners turning on them, and we know Manderlys/Umbers will side with the Starks. The killing of the baby was also shocking too.
Good to see Euron, but his "I am the storm brother" line sounded like something Hulk Hogan would say. And I don't know why Balon wouldn't just back off when he sees his shifty brother kicking about.
Jaime and High Sparrow scene was interesting too. That plotline is developing quite well at the moment.
Hard scene to feck up or make amazing really. Everyone knew what was going to happen so it was hard to build any suspense. It just needed to get done so the story could move on.
Can someone please check my last deleted post in the TV show thread and tell me what the book spoiler was? Since well I can't see it now, and you get no warning or reason for it, because you know, top modding.
How can we see your deleted post? Only mods can see it
I know. I'm just waiting for them to see it. Seems it'd be better to post here anyway as I've never spoiled stuff in there, so I guess even talking about the foreshadowing of the show counts as you know book stuff and spoiling. I dunno, would have to see the post again, it's overly strict anyway.
They are extremely protective of that thread. I got thread banned last year
No shit. I'm thread banned for no reason. I'm not even sure what I did or saidThey are extremely protective of that thread. I got thread banned last year
The Faith Militant is made up of two orders, the Warrior's Sons (nobles, lesser sons of great houses who renounce their fortunes and devote their lives to defending the Faith, much like the Kingsguard), and the Poor Fellows (commoners who vouch to do the same, women can be accepted into this order).
After Aegon I's conquest, the Faith still wielded these powers and as such, even he had to placate them. They are afraid of his dragons but nonetheless look on with disdain the Targaryen incestuous marriage practice. After Aegon died, they openly revolted when his son Aenys married his own son and daughter, and the revolt lasted for 7 years, 1 under Aenys's short rule and 6 under his brother Maegor the Cruel. The latter was especially brutal in his treatment of the rebellion, placing a weapon ban on any member of the Faith and put a bounty on the head of every rebels (a Dragon for a Warrior's son, a stag for a poor fellow and a penny for a female poor fellow iirc). The rebellion only ended with the death of Maegor and his nephew Jaehaerys's ascension, who pardoned the rebellion at the conditions that while the Faith doesn't need to approve of the Targaryen's practice, they need to acknowledge them, and the dissolution of the orders.
Fast forward 250 years and King's Landing under Cersei's rule was a shit show. The War of the Five Kings ravaged the land and drove the common folks to the big cities scavenging for sustenance. The Iron Throne, at this time, was neck deep in debt and owed a million dragons to the Faith. After Cersei's killed the High Septon, who she in her paranoia think assisted Tyrion's escape and know about her incestuous relationships (Jaime, Lancel), the Sparrows (zealot common folks) stormed Baelor's Sept and forced the Most Devouts to elect the High Sparrow the new High Septon. When Cersei's came to him to suggest that he forgive the crown's debt, he refused, but suggest an exchange, the reformation of the orders for the debt. In her stupidity, Cersei agreed to it and then she had a fighting force largely outnumbered what's at her disposal (Lannister's personal guards and the City's Watch, some 2000 strong) inside King's Landing, with Jaime and the Lannister fighting forces off to subdue the Riverlands and the Tyrells under Mace Tyrell sieging Storm's End and Dragonstone.
And yes, I remember all of that. FML.
I've been banned two years ago, so I guess that I win.
Every time a book reader goes into the tv thread and says the word 'book' or that they've read them or 'maybe this'll happen', we get about five fecking reports in ten minutes. it's just easier to threadban at this stage. You still have this thread anyway so it ain't no thing.
Don't take it personally.
Except you, Revan. Feck you.
Don't take it personally.
Except you, Revan. Feck you.
I didn't do anything. And never complained for being (completely unjustified
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If only I knew the report button had such power. Might have to start using it when I sense weakness.
Reported for malicious intent.
I didn't do anything. And never complained for being (completely unjustified
I didn't do anything either. And tbh you can't spoiler anything at this point.
Wasn't there something about using the Faith Militant to help restore order in some of the areas ravaged by war since Cersei no longer had the forces available to do so?
That's the High Sparrow's reasoning
Looks like someone in the other thread has called the potential Euron/Dany connection.