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Revan said:
It has to be Tyrion.

The prophecy obviously was bullshit. But she believed it, so she made the life miserable for Tyrion, and so Tyrion would kill her.

If she didn't hear the prophecy, she wouldn't have acted that way towards Tyrion, and he wouldn't have killed her.

So a self fulfilling prophecy. The witch was just spouting random bullshit, but Cersei the bitch she is, did all those bad things to survive from something that wasn't going to happen, in process making it happen.

To be fair, that might sound more Abercrombie than Martin.
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That actually is a common theme in Martins work too. People being swayed negatively by hearing prophecy. Also people adding 1+1 and getting 3 because they heard a prophecy.
 
Revan said:
It has to be Tyrion.

The prophecy obviously was bullshit. But she believed it, so she made the life miserable for Tyrion, and so Tyrion would kill her.

If she didn't hear the prophecy, she wouldn't have acted that way towards Tyrion, and he wouldn't have killed her.

So a self fulfilling prophecy. The witch was just spouting random bullshit, but Cersei the bitch she is, did all those bad things to survive from something that wasn't going to happen, in process making it happen.

To be fair, that might sound more Abercrombie than Martin.
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The witch told her she would bear 3 children, but not by the king. She also was very specific about Robert's bastards. Everything will be taken from her, that she holds dear, which obviously means her children and her crown. That all seems to be coming true. Her children will die and either she'll realise that Jaime doesn't love her anymore or she sees him getting killed. One way or another I'm fairly sure that Jaime will die before her on the show and in the books.
 
I think it'll be arya who will kill her.
Valonqor is gender neutral.
Jons pet name for her is 'little sis' (referenced often by both)
and one of the main poisons used by the faceless men is called choking poison or something.

I think the mistake made is that the 'younger brother' part isn't necessarily her sibling.
Its 'the valonqar' not your valonqar
Could mean Stannis, younger sibling of the king she asked about.
Could just be a generic nickname like with arya.
 
Trying to figure out if I've been unimpressed with the show since Season 5 because I'm a book reader, or if the show actually isn't that good anymore? A lot of show watchers still seem to think it's the bestest show eva!!!1!! so I'm guessing it's a case of me being a nitpicky book reader because things have been shite.

It's a bit hilarious that with the scenes in Dorne, they seem to be desperately trying to correct the misogyny accusations of last season, yet they've fallen even deeper into that hole with the characterizations of Ellaria and Charlies Angels (BC)
 
Seveneric said:
Trying to figure out if I've been unimpressed with the show since Season 5 because I'm a book reader, or if the show actually isn't that good anymore? A lot of show watchers still seem to think it's the bestest show eva!!!1!! so I'm guessing it's a case of me being a nitpicky book reader because things have been shite.

It's a bit hilarious that with the scenes in Dorne, they seem to be desperately trying to correct the misogyny accusations of last season, yet they've fallen even deeper into that hole with the characterizations of Ellaria and Charlies Angels (BC)
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Probably a bit of both. Reading the books raises your standards, but then the show definitely has declined as well.
 
I read the other day that seasons 7 and 8 will have just 13 episodes combined.
 
Seveneric said:
Trying to figure out if I've been unimpressed with the show since Season 5 because I'm a book reader, or if the show actually isn't that good anymore? A lot of show watchers still seem to think it's the bestest show eva!!!1!! so I'm guessing it's a case of me being a nitpicky book reader because things have been shite.

It's a bit hilarious that with the scenes in Dorne, they seem to be desperately trying to correct the misogyny accusations of last season, yet they've fallen even deeper into that hole with the characterizations of Ellaria and Charlies Angels (BC)
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The quality has significantly declined, there's some genuinely terrible TV mixed throughout the last couple of seasons. Because you've read the books you're probably just quicker to pick up on it because it's changes from the book and you're less tolerant of it.
 
Unsurprising, but I'm glad.

That was so much better than the first episode, imo.
 
Glad they didn't drag the Jon thing out any longer. There was already zero suspense given everyone figured out what was going to happen long ago.

Ramsey killing Roose made sense. Unfortunately it leaves us with the less interesting Bolton in charge.

Everything else was fine too. No Dorne really helps.
 
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shabadu84 said:
Didn't explicitly prove he's part Targarayen yet but they're laying down the pieces for that

Tyrion being part Targarayen probably has legs now
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Tyrion has a lifelong fascination with dragons right since he was a child. In the very first book they mention him loaning books from the Winterfell library to read about dragons and their tendencies and he spends time studying the dragon fossils in the King's Landing cellar.

So him knowing that dragons do not grow to their full potential in captivity and they are sentient enough to differentiate between friends and foes has a lot more to do with him being a student of history than him being Targaryen.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Tyrion has a lifelong fascination with dragons right since he was a child. In the very first book they mention him loaning books from the Winterfell library to read about dragons and their tendencies and he spends time studying the dragon fossils in the King's Landing cellar.

So him knowing that dragons do not grow to their full potential in captivity and they are sentient enough to differentiate between friends and foes has a lot more to do with him being a student of history than him being Targaryen.
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But Dragons not injuring him could be used as a valid reason though. Missandei is not harmed because the dragons used to see her with Daenarys. There are a few strong hints to doubting Tyrion's lineage. His hair color being one and I think Barristan Selmy once tells Daenarys about Aerys lusting after Joanna Lannister.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Tyrion has a lifelong fascination with dragons right since he was a child. In the very first book they mention him loaning books from the Winterfell library to read about dragons and their tendencies and he spends time studying the dragon fossils in the King's Landing cellar.

So him knowing that dragons do not grow to their full potential in captivity and they are sentient enough to differentiate between friends and foes has a lot more to do with him being a student of history than him being Targaryen.
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Understand that, but there's mystery around his birth and lineage though not on the Jon Snow levels. It's a theory with some basis. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/Who_is_Tyrions_father

Probably NOT the case but I'm sure the intention was to hint at its possibility.
 
fishfingers15 said:
But Dragons not injuring him could be used as a valid reason though. Missandei is not harmed because the dragons used to see her with Daenarys. There are a few strong hints to doubting Tyrion's lineage. His hair color being one and I think Barristan Selmy once tells Daenarys about Aerys lusting after Joanna Lannister.
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shabadu84 said:
Understand that, but there's mystery around his birth and lineage though not on the Jon Snow levels. It's a theory with some basis. http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/Who_is_Tyrions_father

Probably NOT the case but I'm sure the intention was to hint at its possibility.
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Could be a red herring but the key point I took from the whole scene was dragons are smart creatures who understand who to attack.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Third rider doesn't need to be a Targ and there is speculation about Aegon (son of Rhaegar) being alive as well
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Could be. But I'm thinking that Daenerys will end up killing him. He's been a none entity.
Is set up for obviously her. Tyrion with the one word eye and his dad never really thinking he was a Lancaster. And John's back story never being actually told about his mother.
I think they are all targaryn blood.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Could be. But I'm thinking that Daenerys will end up killing him. He's been a none entity.
Is set up for obviously her. Tyrion with the one word eye and his dad never really thinking he was a Lancaster. And John's back story never being actually told about his mother.
I think they are all targaryn blood.
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Aegon hasn't been on the show yet, is he? Like Coldhands, he's been left out which kind of makes me believe that he's not an important part of the arc.

Then again, Tyrion could be a Targ, but I was hoping Bran would be the third rider even though he's a stark. It doesn't have to be a Targ and Blood raven says he won't walk but he'll fly
 
fishfingers15 said:
Aegon hasn't been on the show yet, is he? Like Coldhands, he's been left out which kind of makes me believe that he's not an important part of the arc.

Then again, Tyrion could be a Targ, but I was hoping Bran would be the third rider even though he's a stark. It doesn't have to be a Targ and Blood raven says he won't walk but he'll fly
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I never got that flying quote. I'm still of the opinion is those three but that could make sense. The three are major players though and with Tyrion taming both dragons (for want of a better word) I think he's nailed in to be a Targaryon. I think snow is not a bastard after all but the son of the sister. Hence Need never told him about his mother and the fact king Baratheon said you were never one for whoring.
 
I buy the Jon Snow theory because Lyanna dies peacefully after asking Ned to make a promise. I kind of think Lyanna was with Rhaegar consensually and birthed Jon unlike Robert thinking that he raped her.

Robert was hell bent on killing all Targ bloodline fearing for his throne and would have killed Jon unless Ned claimed him as his own to avoid any suspicion.

Also the two other riders could end up being the blonde woman's kids who aren't yet born.
 
Bit disappointed that the fight at Castle Black just ended like that. Would be glorious if Wun Wun just tear up all of them
 
fishfingers15 said:
At least from how stories are proceeding, you must have enjoyed it?
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No, it was all a bit too predictable and they managed to make a king being killed, dragons being tamed and a man coming back from the dead all seem really boring with no dramatic tension. I just felt bored and uninterested which means it's really time to give up on it.

fishfingers15 said:
Euron Greyjoy and Aeron Greyjoy make an appearance. Does the cast list account for Victarion Greyjoy in Season 6?
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Apparently he's been Sand Snaked. In that Euron is both Euron and Victarion. Same way as 7 Sand Snakes became 3.
 
Yeah, Jon's resurrection scene was done very shabbily. Lit a funeral pyre, Melisandre chanting R'hllor's prayer, Ghost is sacrificed and boom, Jon Targaryen rises from the fire, Azor Ahai reborn.

Or that's how I imagine it'll play out in the book.
 
The most anticlimatic resurrection ever. You could see where this was going as soon as she said "Please" and they started leaving the room. Whatever, I didn't expect anything from that scene in the show anyway, glad it's done. Why did they include the "Ghost" line before he died though, when they weren't planning to involve him in the process? It seems they've decided not to include warging at all, except for Brann. I could understand that but I wonder how Jon will find out about his heritage in the show. I expected Brann to share some of his visions while he's dead, in the books.

Euron not even wearing an eyepatch...
 
People were booked by that? Christ. I think you either need to accept we're long past the books now or just stop watching it then.

I imagine the sixth book, if it's ever released, will bore certain people too. Or infuriate, cause it won't play out like you've dreamt for the last five years.
 
Why is Damphair demanding a Kingmoot? Since there is no Victarion he should be crowning Asha as soon as possible before Euron can come back, shouldn't he?

I'm sure the point of the Kingsmoot was because Euron was back and it was going to descend into violence between 3 factions which Euron would likely win, they did the moot to screw Euron without violence.

They don't know he's returned yet really so surely denying the heir apparent is working against the Damphairs motivations
 
Credit where it's due, I felt that was a solid second episode after that dumpster fire that was a premiere. Surprised that they've brought Jon back so quickly, maybe they've recognised the pacing issues that have dogged the last few seasons and are addressing them; that moment would have been mid-season for sure in previous years.
 
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