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[DWelbz19]

Daenerys stuff was alright, but the Dothraki bro banter seemed a bit...off. The Khal's, "I like her. She has spirit." line was also incredibly cliched as well, but Daenerys sounds mildly intimidating in other languages as opposed to English where she's ridiculous.

The entire Dothraki scene was so badly written. Some lines paralleled the absurdity of 'the dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant', or 'you want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy.'

Examples being:
A: 'Do you think she has white pussy hair? Have you ever fecked a woman with white pussy hair?'
B: 'Yes, your grandmother.'
And then... 'She doesn't have to be smart to get fecked in the ass.'

 

[Cheesy]

The entire Dothraki scene was so badly written. Some lines paralleled the absurdity of 'the dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant', or 'you want a good girl, but you need a bad pussy.'

Examples being:
A: 'Do you think she has white pussy hair? Have you ever fecked a woman with white pussy hair?'
B: 'Yes, your grandmother.'
And then... 'She doesn't have to be smart to get fecked in the ass.'

I thought that one was kind of funny.

But yeah, overall it's kind of jarring because it's basically lots of Americanisms being said in a different language. I'd need to rewatch Season 1 but I don't remember it being quite like that. The language seemed more...official, if that makes sense. The "She has spirit" felt like the worst though because it's such a ridiculous cliche. When Genghis Khan was conquering Asia, I kinda doubt he'd admire someone and stood up to him and say, "Yeah, this lad's got character." He'd butcher them instantly.

 

[DWelbz19]

I thought that one was kind of funny.

But yeah, overall it's kind of jarring because it's basically lots of Americanisms being said in a different language. I'd need to rewatch Season 1 but I don't remember it being quite like that. The language seemed more...official, if that makes sense. The "She has spirit" felt like the worst though because it's such a ridiculous cliche. When Genghis Khan was conquering Asia, I kinda doubt he'd admire someone and stood up to him and say, "Yeah, this lad's got character." He'd butcher them instantly.

 

[Scarecrow]

I thought that one was kind of funny.

But yeah, overall it's kind of jarring because it's basically lots of Americanisms being said in a different language. I'd need to rewatch Season 1 but I don't remember it being quite like that. The language seemed more...official, if that makes sense. The "She has spirit" felt like the worst though because it's such a ridiculous cliche. When Genghis Khan was conquering Asia, I kinda doubt he'd admire someone and stood up to him and say, "Yeah, this lad's got character." He'd butcher them instantly.

That whole scene in the tent was a car crash. Them pausing while she says who she is and then bursting out laughing, only to take her really seriously when she repeats it, the girl explaining where Khal widows go with that "you're in trouble now, bitch" grim, followed by the zoom in on Danny's "frightened" face - it was all so fecking cringey, banal and soap-like.

 

[Cheesy]

That whole scene in the tent was a car crash. Them pausing while she says who she is and then bursting out laughing, only to take her really seriously when she repeats it, the girl explaining where Khal widows go with that "you're in trouble now, bitch" grim, followed by the zoom in on Danny's "frightened" face - it was all so fecking cringey, banal and soap-like.

Yeah, the two wives next to each other taking turns to speak felt really school-play like. As if they'd cast it as one part originally, but the other girl was pissed off because she didn't have any lines, so they divide the part to make her happy.

 

[Cheesy]

Part of why I think the stuff at the Wall was the strongest part of the episode was because of Davos. In a show where a lot of the dialogue's become really stiff and full of exposition, he comes across naturally, feels realistic and normal, and has the occasional bit of humour/lightness to him, even if serious situations. Already a good character, but generally been one of the best parts of the show, especially at the moment.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Well, we know that Doran Martell was plotting against the Iron Throne, so what happens in Dorne is very relevant to Kings Landing and the ending in general. Whatever you say, it's the same story, so it will build up to the same conclusion, so there will be characters that will be left out if it's not too important in the long run.

For instance Coldhands is an awesome character I liked in books, but not anywhere in TV. Sansa Stark is almost a child in the books, but her character development has been fast forwarded where she's now plotting with Brienne, which now also means that Brienne makes her peace with Lady SToneheart in the books. I'm just saying that the books take a long time to develop a character and story arc, but series because of screen time and cost don't do it justice. But it's essentially the same story and for the first time, we now glimpse into what could happen eventually and one of the major reason for disappointment for book readers is that this being spoilered to them. TV audience doesn't know it yet, they are fine with what they are seeing. They just don't like Sand snakes because of the monumental feck up last season on how they are portrayed. You are welcome to disagree.

Not necessarily. She could have died in the books but they kept her alive because they thought people found her to be cool. They've changed so much around the people involved in the Riverlands adventures that it's not even the same plot.

 

[fishfingers15]

Not necessarily. She could have died in the books but they kept her alive because they thought people found her to be cool. They've changed so much around the people involved in the Riverlands adventures that it's not even the same plot.

Right, but the books doesn't definitively show that Brienne is killed. I may be wrong in that assumption. But generally, even ignoring LSH, my point is that both series and the books build up to the same conclusion and series just ignores the characters and story arc that are not essential to the final conclusion.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Right, but the books doesn't definitively show that Brienne is killed. I may be wrong in that assumption. But generally, even ignoring LSH, my point is that both series and the books build up to the same conclusion and series just ignores the characters and story arc that are not essential to the final conclusion.

You're right, it doesn't confirm she's dead. At this point though they have completely delved into bad fan fiction and they are just doing whatever they want. It wouldn't surprise me if they put someone else on the Iron Throne just because they thought it would be cooler or add more shock value. I'm worried about spoilers myself but at the same time I don't trust them to come close to what's going to happen in the books any more.

I'm not sure if they know the fate of anyone outside of who ends up on the throne at the end.

 

[fishfingers15]

You're right, it doesn't confirm she's dead. At this point though they have completely delved into bad fan fiction and they are just doing whatever they want. It wouldn't surprise me if they put someone else on the Iron Throne just because they thought it would be cooler or add more shock value. I'm worried about spoilers myself but at the same time I don't trust them to come close to what's going to happen in the books any more.

I'm not sure if they know the fate of anyone outside of who ends up on the throne at the end.

I'm not sure they have a free hand in showing what they want. GRRM is one of the executive producers of the show isn't he?

 

[JustAFan]

fish and Art what book at you on?

I have myself convinced that the end of the books (should GRRM ever actually get there) might be different from the show in terms of who lives and who dies and even who ends up on the throne, if anyone.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I'm not sure they have a free hand in showing what they want. GRRM is one of the executive producers of the show isn't he?

I doubt he has any say outside of the episodes he himself writes. Given they have completely missed the point on most of the stuff it seems unlikely he has any hand in it.

fish and Art what book at you on?

I have myself convinced that the end of the books (should GRRM ever actually get there) might be different from the show in terms of who lives and who dies and even who ends up on the throne, if anyone.

I'm up to date, but it's been a few years since I read them. How far along are you? I used to be convinced they were going to spoil the book ending, but as the show has gone on I now think they are just going to go with whoever is their favourite at the time or whatever they feel will be most shocking.

 

[Cheesy]

fish and Art what book at you on?

I have myself convinced that the end of the books (should GRRM ever actually get there) might be different from the show in terms of who lives and who dies and even who ends up on the throne, if anyone.

The path will be very different, but I think the general end result will be the same.

 

[Simbo]

Thought it was a good episode apart from the Dorne stuff. Replaced two good characters with utter turd. I hope to god Areo isn't dead and cuts those slags to pieces.

 

[Welsh Wonder]

the writers have absolutely no idea how to write dialogue

 

[JustAFan]

I doubt he has any say outside of the episodes he himself writes. Given they have completely missed the point on most of the stuff it seems unlikely he has any hand in it.


I'm up to date, but it's been a few years since I read them. How far along are you? I used to be convinced they were going to spoil the book ending, but as the show has gone on I now think they are just going to go with whoever is their favourite at the time or whatever they feel will be most shocking.

Read them all, but could definitely do with a re-reading. Also wasn't the issue of Brienne being alive or dead after her initial meeting with Lady Stoneheart settled in ADWD?

 

[fishfingers15]

I've read them all, but like you I would probably need a re-read to be sure of the finer points of the plot.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Read them all, but could definitely do with a re-reading. Also wasn't the issue of Brienne being alive or dead after her initial meeting with Lady Stoneheart settled in ADWD?

Genuinely can't even remember at this point. Although I'm starting to remember something involving Jamie...

It's been years and it's blurred with the show, could do with a re-read myself but I'm not devoting the time to something that might never even get finished.

 

[Drainy]

the writers have absolutely no idea how to write dialogue

or plots for that matter

 

[Welsh Wonder]

or plots for that matter

i probably could have removed the word 'dialogue' from my post if i'm honest

 

[Drainy]

In reply to this from the TV thread.

The answer is that they didn't pay enough attention to the books to know what Melisandre's appearance was a glamour linked to the ruby on her choker.

George RR Martin has since offered some guidance on major character detail reveals and this was one.

 

[DWelbz19]

In reply to this from the TV thread.

The answer is that they didn't pay enough attention to the books to know what Melisandre's appearance was a glamour linked to the ruby on her choker.

George RR Martin has since offered some guidance on major character detail reveals and this was one.

I guess they could try palm it off by saying the necklace was simply one facet to keep her glamour up, and it was more the fact that she is absolutely crestfallen and given up on her magic glamour entirely, but it's an awfully weak justification. One of the many plot holes that this season will no doubt uncover.

Genuinely can't even remember at this point. Although I'm starting to remember something involving Jamie...

It's been years and it's blurred with the show, could do with a re-read myself but I'm not devoting the time to something that might never even get finished.

IIRC, Brienne was captured by LSH and screams something before being hung. What follows in ADWD is her seemingly pushing Jaime towards wherever LSH wants him to go. It seems like she made a bargain before being hung, although Pod and the other two are nowhere to be seen.

 

[fishfingers15]

They could easily say the necklace was in the bath, in contact with her legs. Just saying

 

[RobinLFC]

They could easily say the necklace was in the bath, in contact with her legs. Just saying

Why would you take off your necklace to then lay it in the bath?

But yeah, they'll probably come up with some weird explanation that doesn't make any sense. Like when Harry couldn't see the Thestrals after Diggory's death because 'the death has to sink in before you can see them'.

 

[caid]

Yeah, it's been a bit ridiculous all around. Doran's fairly similar to his book counterpart, but book Doran did have a plan of sorts. Granted, it's a bit terrible and will probably fail, and he's nowhere near as clever as some fans like to think he is...but you at least got a sense of someone balancing his desire for revenge with protecting his people. Ellaria murdering Oberyn's brother (with whom he was close), and his nephew, though, is just really, really bizarre.

Whats even more bizarre is that she's taken the role of Arianne. So ... does that mean hes killed by his daughter?
Or does GRRM reintroduce a character thats had no development in 2 books and barely a mention since the first chapter of ADWD. Just doesn't seem likely.
Or have they just gone completely off the plot again (like turning the plot to crown Myrcella, into a plot to kill Myrcella).

Brienne is still alive in the books. She makes an appearance in Jaime's last chapter and leads him off to meet LSH.
This is shortly after he finds out about Cercei's trial by combat to which his reaction is 'meh, im not dealing with that crap'.

The path will be very different, but I think the general end result will be the same.

I imagine Jon will kill the big nasty in the same manner between the two. Bran will probably have the same role
and Dany ... well feck knows, you'd imagine Aegon will have some bearing on what happens with her.
The others characters have already been changed so much that i dont think the two stories are that comparable.
And i dont expect each characters end to be that similar either (still can't see Stannis burning his daughter alive).

Be interesting to know who's playing Davos' role in the book for this episode. Hes off looking for Rickon

 

[Cheesy]

Whats even more bizarre is that she's taken the role of Arianne. So ... does that mean hes killed by his daughter?
Or does GRRM reintroduce a character thats had no development in 2 books and barely a mention since the first chapter of ADWD. Just doesn't seem likely.
Or have they just gone completely off the plot again (like turning the plot to crown Myrcella, into a plot to kill Myrcella).

Brienne is still alive in the books. She makes an appearance in Jaime's last chapter and leads him off to meet LSH.
This is shortly after he finds out about Cercei's trial by combat to which his reaction is 'meh, im not dealing with that crap'.

I imagine Jon will kill the big nasty in the same manner between the two. Bran will probably have the same role
and Dany ... well feck knows, you'd imagine Aegon will have some bearing on what happens with her.
The others characters have already been changed so much that i dont think the two stories are that comparable.
And i dont expect each characters end to be that similar either (still can't see Stannis burning his daughter alive).

Be interesting to know who's playing Davos' role in the book for this episode. Hes off looking for Rickon

In the books, I reckon he'll suffer from siding with Aegon. Daenerys comes to Westeros, Dorne stick by Aegon, Dany destroys him with dragons, and Dorne suffer as a result. Aegon won't be around, so they're compressing that part down in Dorne.

As for Davos, I think he'll still fulfill a similar role this season. Once Jon's back, him and Melisandre will realise there's obviously something about Jon. If Theon/Sansa make it to the Wall and the North begin to gather, Davos will naturally fight behind Jon and the North since his king is dead. I don't mind that actually; as I said, Davos has been great and is probably the best character in the show at the moment.

 

[Revan]

Just watched it.

The north storyline is still excellent, but the other parts of the show are very weak, with the Bitch snakes being the worst thing to have ever happened in TV since Dexter's finale.

 

[sullydnl]

Tbf to the show, it probably says a lot about how well they've handled Davos' character that nobody is wondering why he immediately decided to side with the pro-Jon camp despite having no real reason to. Everyone else in that room is either Jon's friend or a loyal member of the Night's Watch whereas Davos is just being Davos.

 

[Revan]

The bolded part is very true for me - it's not the fact that I know now that bothers me, but with everything in the build-up to Doran's death now I'll be thinking "he's going to be dead rather sooner than later" and that bothers me a lot. I liked not knowing where things were headed, especially with GRRM when everything could take unexpected turns.

Not necessarily. We saw Talissa dying in the third season, but Jeyne Westerling is alive in the sixth book (actually Martin will put her in the new book despite that she was missing in the last two books). I think that Doran is likely to die, but I guess it will be completely different. Cannot see Arianne killing him, and the Sand Snakes and her mother are non-actors in the books. And Doran is actually quite smart considering that in the last chapter on the South he just schooled all of them on plotting.

 

[Cheesy]

Not necessarily. We saw Talissa dying in the third season, but Jeyne Westerling is alive in the sixth book (actually Martin will put her in the new book despite that she was missing in the last two books). I think that Doran is likely to die, but I guess it will be completely different. Cannot see Arianne killing him, and the Sand Snakes and her mother are non-actors in the books. And Doran is actually quite smart considering that in the last chapter on the South he just schooled all of them on plotting.

Nah, he talks a vengeful game, but...like, what actually are his plans? He's sent Quentyn across an entire continent to marry Daenerys...and he's dead. He planned to marry Arianne to Viserys...but seemingly had no backup plan for when Viserys was dead, or no conception of the type of person Viserys was either. He's spent much of his life in Dorne just waiting to try and take revenge, but he hasn't actually done anything impressive yet.

I kinda like him for his caution because he's one of the most decent-minded people in the story and is cautious to enter war because of its costs and what it's taken from him, but he's really not a genial plotter. I suspect he'll continue to side with Aegon in the books. Daenerys will come to Westeros, defeat Aegon, and Dorne will be fecked afterwards as a result.

 

[Revan]

Nah, he talks a vengeful game, but...like, what actually are his plans? He's sent Quentyn across an entire continent to marry Daenerys...and he's dead. He planned to marry Arianne to Viserys...but seemingly had no backup plan for when Viserys was dead, or no conception of the type of person Viserys was either. He's spent much of his life in Dorne just waiting to try and take revenge, but he hasn't actually done anything impressive yet.

I kinda like him for his caution because he's one of the most decent-minded people in the story and is cautious to enter war because of its costs and what it's taken from him, but he's really not a genial plotter. I suspect he'll continue to side with Aegon in the books. Daenerys will come to Westeros, defeat Aegon, and Dorne will be fecked afterwards as a result.

Maybe you're right.

You think that Danny vs Aegon is inevitable? Always thought that in the end it will be an alliance between them, but then I always though (and actually, I still think) that Aegon isn't fake (in addition to probably being the nicest person in the books).

Who knows what will happen, but I think that the game of thrones will end on the next book, with the final book being completely focused on the war against the Others (similar to the Wheel of Time finale). With Danny still not being in Westeros, I doubt that many battles will happen there. More likely Aegon invades and wins a few battle, and then Danny enters making alliance with him.

Of course, if he is indeed fAegon, then he will probably be eaten by Drogon. But then, him being fAegon means that he is Illyrio's son (Varys's nephew and likely a Targaryan bastard, forgot the surname of that family) so again, can we see him getting killed? After all, if one thing is clear from the books, is that Varys is not a fool and has plans for everything. There was no reason for him to keep Danny alive if the plan was all along to make his nephew king.

Feck, I hate Martin for keeping us in limbo.

 

[Revan]

Read a theory that this is the end for Mel. She didn't put the necklace off just to sleep, but she sacrificed herself to awaken Jon. Blood magic!

I hope no. Her tits are one of the best thing in the show.

 

[Sir Matt]

Fairly sure that it won't be the sand snakes that kill Doran or Areo Hotah. But it's not actually surprising that they will die eventually. Especially Doran Martell's sickness might kill him off before his plan comes to fruition.

Doran only has gout. It won't kill him, just makes him miserable.

 

[Cheesy]

Maybe you're right.

You think that Danny vs Aegon is inevitable? Always thought that in the end it will be an alliance between them, but then I always though (and actually, I still think) that Aegon isn't fake (in addition to probably being the nicest person in the books).

Who knows what will happen, but I think that the game of thrones will end on the next book, with the final book being completely focused on the war against the Others (similar to the Wheel of Time finale). With Danny still not being in Westeros, I doubt that many battles will happen there. More likely Aegon invades and wins a few battle, and then Danny enters making alliance with him. The show are just trimming it down, and Dany's conflict will be with Lannisters/Tyrells instead probably.

Of course, if he is indeed fAegon, then he will probably be eaten by Drogon. But then, him being fAegon means that he is Illyrio's son (Varys's nephew and likely a Targaryan bastard, forgot the surname of that family) so again, can we see him getting killed? After all, if one thing is clear from the books, is that Varys is not a fool and has plans for everything. There was no reason for him to keep Danny alive if the plan was all along to make his nephew king.

Feck, I hate Martin for keeping us in limbo.

I think it's definitely leading up to a second Dance with Dragons. Aegon will tie himself to Arianne and Dorne. He'll want to lead, but Daenerys isn't going to want to suddenly be an heir to the throne, or simply a king's queen. They'll quickly come into conflict, and Daenerys will destroy him with her dragons and unsullied/possibly Dothraki, ravaging KL in the process. I think that'll happen irrespective of whether he's fake or not, although part of me thinks we'll never find out.

As for the final book, I feel like it'd be lazy writing to chuck away the idea of the game of thrones completely. I think it won't be as crucial as the Others invade, but I think the books have been building up so many conflicts/struggles that the Lannisters/Starks and all other families aren't going to suddenly get along with each other now that there's a bigger threat. They haven't done so far, and that won't change because so many of GRRM's characters are self-interested. The Boltons will continue to want the North for themselves. Dany will want the Iron Throne. So will Aegon. Tyrion's now too pessimistic to care. The Freys will want power for themselves. So will Littlefinger and Varys. Mistrust will continue exist between wildlings and southerners. All these plots/conflicts won't suddenly go away because the Others invade. They'll still remain important, and probably hinder the humans in their battle.

If GRRM ever gets to that...

 

[Revan]

I think it's definitely leading up to a second Dance with Dragons. Aegon will tie himself to Arianne and Dorne. He'll want to lead, but Daenerys isn't going to want to suddenly be an heir to the throne, or simply a king's queen. They'll quickly come into conflict, and Daenerys will destroy him with her dragons and unsullied/possibly Dothraki, ravaging KL in the process. I think that'll happen irrespective of whether he's fake or not, although part of me thinks we'll never find out.

As for the final book, I feel like it'd be lazy writing to chuck away the idea of the game of thrones completely. I think it won't be as crucial as the Others invade, but I think the books have been building up so many conflicts/struggles that the Lannisters/Starks and all other families aren't going to suddenly get along with each other now that there's a bigger threat. They haven't done so far, and that won't change because so many of GRRM's characters are self-interested. The Boltons will continue to want the North for themselves. Dany will want the Iron Throne. So will Aegon. Tyrion's now too pessimistic to care. The Freys will want power for themselves. So will Littlefinger and Varys. Mistrust will continue exist between wildlings and southerners. All these plots/conflicts won't suddenly go away because the Others invade. They'll still remain important, and probably hinder the humans in their battle.

If GRRM ever gets to that...

You're likely right. GRRM is too much cynic to just go for a big show on the last book and make a unified front against the Others. After all, we have seen that in Wheel of Time and the Lord of the Rings.

 

[Revan]

About Mel theory:

I am rather surprised that people are asking if Mel is going to resurrect Jon because by my reading she just had her death scene.

Consider the clues that were left - Davos stares at the blood, Kingsblood. The camera lingers on the things on Mel's table which include a vial that contained some liquid. Davos, her fiercest critic says that there is nothing he doesn't think she could do.

Forget the Rattleshirt glamour from the book. Whatever spell is keeping Mel young, it isn't that spell. It is something much more powerful. She has taken the necklace off before and didn't turn old. So it wasn't just that that made her suddenly old. The much more obvious reading is that she is dying.

Mel has to die for the plot to continue. She is too powerful. Like Dumbledore or Gandalf, she can solve too many problems too easily. And if she stays around after Jon is brought back, Jon can never be in danger. Any time he dies, Mel will just have to give him another booster shot like Thoros did. Mel certainly can't be around when Jon is laying siege to Winterfell to find out his true parentage, she would look in the fires and know.

Mel's plotline is exhausted in any case. She was tied to Stanis and after her utter failure, there is only one thing she can do to atone for all the deaths she has caused. The big challenge in televising GoT is that the books have too many plots going on at once. So D&D have wisely followed the Stanis plot line through to its conclusion before starting with the Ironborn subplot.

Also consider the long list of people who would be coming for revenge on Mel. Davos would certainly slice her in two if he knew what she had done to Shireen. And the Wildings hate her for burning Mance.

So don't look for Mel resurrecting Jon in the next episode. It has already happened.

From the Westerosi forum. Thoughts?

 

[caid]

In the books, I reckon he'll suffer from siding with Aegon. Daenerys comes to Westeros, Dorne stick by Aegon, Dany destroys him with dragons, and Dorne suffer as a result. Aegon won't be around, so they're compressing that part down in Dorne.

As for Davos, I think he'll still fulfill a similar role this season. Once Jon's back, him and Melisandre will realise there's obviously something about Jon. If Theon/Sansa make it to the Wall and the North begin to gather, Davos will naturally fight behind Jon and the North since his king is dead. I don't mind that actually; as I said, Davos has been great and is probably the best character in the show at the moment.

Kind of see an alliance being more likely personally.
Daenery's is barren so Aegon is next in line and I dont think she'd want to mess with that. I could see her retire to a house with a red door (ok that last one isn't going to happen).
I'm not really convinced by the fAegon thing either.

Read a theory that this is the end for Mel. She didn't put the necklace off just to sleep, but she sacrificed herself to awaken Jon. Blood magic!

I hope no. Her tits are one of the best thing in the show.

I was thinking if they put the necklace on jon it could revive him?
She could probably hang out in the bed for a bit before dieing (no more tits though i think / hope).

 

[shaggy]

About Mel theory:



From the Westerosi forum. Thoughts?

Interesting, sounds plausible. Perhaps her looking grim (in terms of facial expression, not appearance) was her realising she had to kill herself to revive Snow.

 

[caid]

About Mel theory:



From the Westerosi forum. Thoughts?

Seems likely tbh. There was a bit of a bitter, sweet goodbye to that scene.
Dont think young mellisandre will be back anyway.

 

[Revan]

Kind of see an alliance being more likely personally.
Daenery's is barren so Aegon is next in line and I dont think she'd want to mess with that. I could see her retire to a house with a red door (ok that last one isn't going to happen).
I'm not really convinced by the fAegon thing either.

Hope so. She also seems to still admire Rhaegar despite that she never knew him, so cannot see her killing his son (her nephew). An alliance (with or without marriage) makes more sense than they trying to kill each other.

More importantly, Varys wouldn't leave Danny alive if the ultimate goal is to put Aegon in the throne, considering that he knew from the beginning that Danny will become an extremely powerful character. Still think that Varys is actually a good guy, who knows that the only way Westeros can be saved is by having strong leaders, i.e Targaryans.

It also makes sense that the three dragons will be rode by Danny, Aegon and Jon, with likely the two main protagonists dying in the last battle.

Unless some weird theory (like the Others being actually the good guys and Jon/Bran siding with them) really happens.