Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Saw it.

Confirmed my suspicions. D&D don't understand shit about the universe and Martin just went for the adaptation for the fame, despite the oft-repeated schpiel about them guessing Jon's mother correctly.
 
The problem is that ASOIAF is an anti-war series about the cost of war and the struggles of maintaining peace with critical looks at knighthood and the concept of 'honour' as well as the glorification of warfare, while GOT the tv show is a dark fantasy romp with dragons, tits and killings

D&D are a couple of dudebros who don't get the importance of AFFC and ADWD to the point of the series, so no surprise they cut it for dragons, tits and killings.

Honestly, I cannot say enough how the spoiler reflects how little D&D understand taboos within Westeros and just shows, similar to the burning of Shireen (which may well happen in the books but in a completely different context) that they will do anything for shock value. They just go from one set piece to the next looking for the next Red Wedding moment and its frankly pathetic.
 
Scarecrow said:
Read somewhere that they weren't planning to include the Dorne storyline at all. They decided to do it after seeing how popular Oberyn was with the fans.
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I read that they only decided to add Dorne because they didn't have anything for Jamie and Bronn last season.
 
Agreed on the point above.

They made it a spectacle and sacrificed meaning and story telling.

Also, don't think the fans of the show helped either.
 
Well, at least The Wall storyline is still a decent watch. Here's hoping they don't feck that up.
 
At least the people in the other thread are excited. I didn't go much into it last year. Did people actually enjoy last season? Why are their expectations so high?
 
Scarecrow said:
At least the people in the other thread are excited. I didn't go much into it last year. Did people actually enjoy last season? Why are their expectations so high?
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They do seem to be excited. Fair play to them if they found a show that they can get genuinely excited about. I expected more of a backlash for last season, but it never really materialised.

Earthquake said:
Didn't read all the spoilers, but it seems it's all basically dire? Shame.
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Yip. I was tempted to maybe start watching again, but read a transcript of it and realised it's no better. One episode and at least one glaring plot hole.
 
Drainy said:
The problem is that ASOIAF is an anti-war series about the cost of war and the struggles of maintaining peace with critical looks at knighthood and the concept of 'honour' as well as the glorification of warfare, while GOT the tv show is a dark fantasy romp with dragons, tits and killings

D&D are a couple of dudebros who don't get the importance of AFFC and ADWD to the point of the series, so no surprise they cut it for dragons, tits and killings.

Honestly, I cannot say enough how the spoiler reflects how little D&D understand taboos within Westeros and just shows, similar to the burning of Shireen (which may well happen in the books but in a completely different context) that they will do anything for shock value. They just go from one set piece to the next looking for the next Red Wedding moment and its frankly pathetic.
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I think it captured the tone of the books very well early on; it felt gritty, Ned's downfall was done well, and the costs of war were sort of highlighted. I actually think it started to go off track a bit post-RW, for the reasons you say.

Since then, the shock factor has become massive. All the adverts seem to really hone in on that. Since people have gotten over the "anyone can die" trope, since we now know who the central figures are, they're really trying hard to shock us in new ways instead of just telling the story.

I don't mind trimming of AFFC and ADWD because those books badly needed it, but their own version has had lots of holes and problems since Season 4, and since their source material was weaker in Season 5 they really struggled.
 
I'm a book reader and I'm excited. While there was a noticeable drop in quality in season 5 (Those Sand Snakes truly were poison), it's still an excellent show.

The reactions in here make it seem like it has suffered a Dexter-esque drop in quality.
 
Shane88 said:
I'm a book reader and I'm excited. While there was a noticeable drop in quality in season 5 (Those Sand Snakes truly were poison), it's still an excellent show.

The reactions in here make it seem like it has suffered a Dexter-esque drop in quality.
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I'm still quite excited tbf, but more out of intrigue for the general direction of the show as it moves past the books.
 
Yeah, I mean it's still probably the best piece of television out at the moment for a fantasy saga and definitely worth the hour or so a week you spend watching, but the issue with it is that it could just be so, so better.
 
Don't really agree when people get annoyed at changes from the books. The show and the books are two totally different things with totally different requirements in terms of what they portray and how they portray it. Plus it's not like there aren't plenty of points where the books could be improved anyway. In theory I like them doing their own thing.

That said, even if I had never read the books I would still realise the whole Dorne plotline has been a totally pointless botch from the get go.
 
Okay... So what was the point of that ending?
 
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The fact that he died so pointlessly is more of a problem. Why even have him in the show if he's going to do literally nothing?
 
It's just yet another of their ill-developed characters. I'm equally as mad at the mistreatment of Doran. In the few scattered scenes within season 5, Doran showed nous; embracing justice and instilling those principles into his son, claiming to Ellaria that he grieves for his brother as much as she does, showing some authority when he dismisses her etc... At one point he even asks Areo if he's ready to use his spear because it had been a long time. But hey, they don't relate to the battle against the Others, or have dragons, or make witty comments whilst drunk so they can't add much to the plot, right?
 
sullydnl said:
The fact that he died so pointlessly is more of a problem. Why even have him in the show if he's going to do literally nothing?
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He wasn't a big character in the show, that's fair enough, not everyone can have an important story arc but still, a big fecker with a badass axe/glaive being taken out by a tiny girl with a knife in the back? Dumb.

If you're going to take him out, why not give him Trystane's death?
 
Aye, Doran is the biggest waste from that whole mess. He actually had promise as a character if they had done something with him.
 
Interesting where Jaime's plot develops this season. I'm struggling to see where they can cram in his redemptive arc as a Riverlands run seems very out of the question. I assume he and Cersei will spend the season 'fecking anyone who isn't them' - starting with the High Sparrow.
 
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Aye, Doran is the biggest waste from that whole mess. He actually had promise as a character if they had done something with him.
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That's what irritated me the most about last season. They completely dumbed down Dorne and his character. It eliminated a huge chunk of the story that's interesting and could add to the show.
 
The episode was underwhelming. Brienne has already met with Sansa. Does this rule out Lady Stoneheart as well for the series? Doran Martell is dead, but I hope his plotting against the Iron throne in the books is much more pronounced that what's being projected in the show.
 
Bit disappointed by that episode. Can't help but feel the quality will go down, since they don't have the books anymore. The dialogue between the Dothraki and Dany was terrible, especially in that pavilion. I hate to be complaining because I love the show. Brienne and Sansa I probably enjoyed the most from it.
 
Wasn't Trystane on the boat heading to King's Landing last season? How were the Sand Snakes on there? Could've sworn they remained on shore as the boat left.
 
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