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that's nearly as awful as the twitter thing.
Yeah, it's what's driven me away from the series to a degree. I'll probably not bother buying the rest of the books if I end up getting inadvertent spoilers from a show I gave up watching. It's going to be almost impossible to avoid too.
Just watch the show. At least then it wont be spoilered in as shitty a way as some cnut on twitter posting shit memes (@Olly you bastard). Martin is a twat though. He fecked up thinking je had more time then he did and spending too much time soaking up the Hollywood lifestyle.
I think you'll find that there are a lot of people who give a shit about Sansa
Who the feck likes Sansa? The actress is annoying and the character is a bitch. I don't give a shit about her and her boring stories with sweet Robin. She is useless and killed her own father. Just have her killed off Martin.
She's got quite a large (and passionate) fan base online, particularly on Tumblr
Before I read the books people told me that she was a much better character in the books, particularly after she leaves Kings Landing. I've read them now and I agree, she is a far better and more sympathetic character in the books. She, along with Stannis, Brienne and Jaime are probably the characters who have been the most wrongly done to in the show. (While I think they were far too generous with characters like Tyrion and Daenerys)
Of course there are parts of her character that are terrible, it's implied she was cold to Jon (and others that are beneath her), she is naive and superficial as hell, but I've come to accept that she was a bit of a victim of her upbringing. All of the characters in ASOIAF have flaws, and hers are important for her role in the books. She is meant to be naive so she can learn that life isn't like it is in the songs and stories- which is an important theme of the books, she is meant to be useless so she can learn how things work and eventually achieve something (hopefully) and she is meant to be stuck up so she can be humbled- Personally my hopes for her story is that she stops Littlefinger's plans (whatever they are) but ends up being stuck as Alayne Stone. TV show-wise, I can see them putting her in the Stannis role of getting the North to rally against the Boltons, which I don't like but it's the TV show and there are plenty of stupid things going on
Sandor Clegane is probably my favourite character, and Sansa is central to his redemption
On Cleganebowl, god I hope not- how cheesy would that be? Leave The Hound to his peaceful existence in the Quiet Isle- it's a fitting end to his arc
I don't like her in the books at all. But then, I'm also not a big little finger fan either so have no interest in that part of the books. Daenery's is much better in the books then in the show because she fails and it is acknowledged that she is a pretty shitty person on some level. Tyrion in the shows was made out a lot better then he actually is, which annoys me to no end.
Stannis and Brienne were straight up ruined. Jaime about the same each way to be fair. They turned Brienne into some sort of Westeros hulk character and destroyed everything that made Stannis so likeable.
It's too late for that, I stopped enjoying it and it just got worse and worse for me.
It often took a bit of willpower reading Sansa chapters for me, her and Cat were just irritating and kind of boring a lot of the time. Which is odd as Sandor was probably my favourite character. It was taking the same willpower to get through way too much of the show. The ruining of characters just made it a pointless watch, it's the same story told worse with characters I now don't like.
Agreed on Sansa. Christ, I ended up skipping/skimming through all her chapters in the last book.
That's an incredible feat given she had no chapters in the last book.....
I can't remember posting that. Is it bad that I have blank periods every single day?
Feast For Crows.
I don't follow, do they intend to go beyond the books?
Yay!
Would like Davos to get more screen time this season.
Would like Davos to get more screen time this season.
Most of the season will be going beyond the books.
Delighted to see that we may be getting Melisandre's tits from all new angles
Mel's tits should get their own location spot in the title sequence.
That's stupid but since I'm very good at ignoring the show, I'll be fine.
You'll probably have to be careful venturing into this thread from now on though.
People saying that 1:16 is a...
Tower of Joy scene.
I rarely venture in that thread and obviously won't in the future.
Now, I'm going to vent a little bit. Martin is a whore who has absolutely no respect for the people who made him famous, if it wasn't for the readers he wouldn't there.
Uhm, no. He obviously has, but writing is an arduous process at the best of time and Martin just happens to be a very slow writer who chafes under deadline, self-imposed or otherwise. I do agree that he let himself be distracted with a lot of side-projects but that's a common vice among artist. They run on emotions and fleeting inspiration, not industriousness.
He fecked up. Thought he had more time and wasted it enjoying the spotlight. Then realised he had little time to finish it and struggled under the pressure. Its backfired in one way but he still makes more then he would if the show wasn't on. So touche Martin.
Remind me how long was it between ASoS and AFFC again? That was before the show was greenlit. It's an asinine argument. Sure, he enjoyed his time in the limelight, as is his due, but there's no certainty that he'd have more done without it. If anything, his true vice was letting himself be distracted by side projects like Dunk and Eggs, WOIAF etc...
You are just proving my point, because of the TV he is going to feck the readers. They could have waited but the money was too good.
How's that proving your point? Which fantasy author would refused to have his work adapted by a major network/channel? Once the right was signed over to them, he has feck all control over their timeline and production, save for whatever they see fit to give him in negotiation. Fact of the matter is that HBO cannot afford to wait on him to finish book 6 and feck knows how long until book 7. Any reader who followed the series before the show know that the show would catch up to the books sooner or later, before the conclusion. That's what you have to live with.
Besides, what's so hard about avoiding spoilers? I gave up on the show halfway through season 2 when I saw the direction they were heading in, and have no problem avoiding it altogether. Even if the Internet erupts over some supposed bombshell, I will still enjoy the book when it's out regardless because I consider it to be the superior medium of the story.
1996, 1998, 2000, 2005 and 2011 are the release years of his books. The sixth book isn't coming out this year so will probably be around some time in 2017 at the earliest. That equals his longest wait.
The show will be over before he realistically releases his next book, meaning most readers will know how it ends. I wouldn't be surprised if people lose interest and don't buy it.
GRRM prose isn't the best. His strengths are his stories themselves and his ability to expertly weave multiple plots together into one grand overarching story with lots of twists, turns and mystery. Watching the show butcher what he has put his life into will be upsetting for him no doubt. It also kinda makes me less interested in his books as they lose a big part of what makes them special (The not knowing and unpredictability of them).
I agree, and at times he had some pretty unrealistic ideas about how long the show would be (at one point he stated in an interview that he expected the content of Feast and Dance to be covered over more than two seasons, which was ridiculous). I do feel pretty sorry for him now though, his life's work has been wrenched from his hands, and his last chance to stay ahead of things passed when he realised he couldn't finish Winds before Season 6 came out. At least now he can take his time and produce the ending the series deserves.
I do think at time's he's displayed some disrespect to his fans though; in one interview, frustrated by questions about how long he'll take, he said he owed the fans nothing and wrote the books for himself, which is not only an insult to the success he's gained, it's downright dishonest.
This is rubbish. Martin's writing is beautiful, and his strength is as much about how he unfolds his plot twists on paper as the twists themselves. I'd also say that his greatest strength isn't as much is plot twists as his mysteries. There are things you pick up when rereading his books that you missed entirely on the first go, and it gives you a greater appreciation of a particular story arc. What's more, a lot of his greatest mysteries have been cut out of the show entirely, and for me there's as much value in those as the story as a whole.
Your claim that people will lost interest is equally ludicrous. There's a massive following who are now boycotting the show in order to get the full story as Martin intends it (myself included), and there are layers to Martin's work that the show won't even scratch the surface of.
Sorry, book will always have the fans and they'll buy it (or read it of pirated pdf copies). The story arc is different in books and the TV series anyway. If you've read all five of his books so far, won't you agree that the story progression is much different in the series? I've read the books (all 5 of them) twice in between seasons to be fair.
There will be readers who may be boycotting the show to read first hand, or there would be readers who will see the show and then read the books but the number of interested book readers who will lose interest on the books due to the series would be miniscule, at least that's my guess.
I think he was reacting to a particularly harsh set of negative comments speculating on his health and if he'd be alive to complete the series based on how 'fat and old' he looks. He has been very appreciative of the positive reactions this time around when he made a statement that he would not meet the deadline. I'm not a huge GRRM fan, but the amount of stick he gets to complete his books because the show is on HBO is ridiculous. The guy should write his book at his own schedule.
I'm considering if I should make a conscious effort to ignore the rest of the show before the books are finished, but I'm not sure how feasible it is. Also, will this thread be made spoiler free or should I expect tv show spoilers in here for the coming season?
It'll be a decade before the books are finished, if they ever are.
I made my peace with that in Jan when he announced WoW isn't done
I agree, but I found myself particularly insulted by that comment. Authors in general have a massive debt to their fans; their writing only means something because it means something to others. He probably did say it in the heat of the moment, but it was just one of those comments that rubbed me the wrong way. I do think he gets too hard a time over how long he takes, and I do feel pretty sorry for him now that the show has overtaken him.
I only watched the first two seasons and you are right about the fact that it's different. If I'm being honest I'm bitter because I don't like the show and think that it's a bit shit, so I don't like the fact that they will have the priority. And I have in mind One Piece who stopped the production of the anime because it was too close from the manga.
Priority is not the right word, that would indicate Martin is delaying his books because he's occupied by the show. That isn't the case.
He describes food excellently. Makes me hungry. The fat shite.
I can't be the only one who feels that the teasers (especially those 5 second ones on twitter) and trailers for the season have been a bit shit. Nothing exciting.