Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

duffer said:
So, are there actually any spoilers from the book left? I've read the books and can't think of any.
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The show is so different from the books right now I doubt it even matters. I mean the show at this point has killed off way more characters than the book and apart from Cersei's and Jon's timeline everyone's is different by now. My guess is also that the show will continue going their own way and the book will continue on it's way giving us two fairly different stories in the end.

Honestly though I don't think going their own way, while it might have been necessary, has done the show much of a favor.
 
NoLogo said:
The show is so different from the books right now I doubt it even matters. I mean the show at this point has killed off way more characters than the book and apart from Cersei's and Jon's timeline everyone's is different by now. My guess is also that the show will continue going their own way and the book will continue on it's way giving us two fairly different stories in the end.

Honestly though I don't think going their own way, while it might have been necessary, has done the show much of a favor.
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I agree.

I think someone should tell the non-readers that there are no spoilers left. Or is that a spoiler?
 
I'm actually pretty gutted about Stannis. They've completely bastardised the North storyline.
 
RobinLFC said:
I'll be pissed if Stannis is really dead. His whole storyline would be all for nothing if so.
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Not at all. I've maintained all along that Stannis existed for the sole purpose of bringing Melisandre north to Jon Snow. He served his purpose.
 
Scrumpet said:
This is how it happened with ADWD according to wikipedia:

Seems like the turnaround can be pretty quick.
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That tells me we should start worrying if there are no signs of the book by Christmas...

Nucks said:
Not at all. I've maintained all along that Stannis existed for the sole purpose of bringing Melisandre north to Jon Snow. He served his purpose.
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There are probably a hundred better ways of bringing Melisandre to the North than spending 4 different books developing Stannis as a character. You don't spend that much time on a character to move someone from place A to place B. See Benjen Stark, if you want an example of a character who's sole purpose was to bring jon the NW only to be never seen again. Stannis is completely different even if he does end up dying in exactly the same way as the show, which he won't.
 
Scrumpet said:
Varys shoots 'em with a crossbow because he's too competent.
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Could happen in the first couple of episodes of the next season.

On Jon Snow - first time I'm genuinely thinking he is dead, which kind of sucks a bit.
 
Stannis is definitely more important than being the centrepiece to link Mel and Jon. The battle itself is gigantically important too - should Stannis win he could unite the North against the real threat of the Others as well as solidify his claim to the throne.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Could happen in the first couple of episodes of the next season.
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How will Varys travel so quickly? They could compensate and have Baelish do it, for similar-ish reasons. They like using other characters to tie up loose ends.
 
Could it not just be that the point of Stannis was to be an interesting character? Why does he need to have some massive purpose beyond what we've already seen?
 
DWelbz19 said:
How will Varys travel so quickly? They could compensate and have Baelish do it, for similar-ish reasons. They like using other characters to tie up loose ends.
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Have no idea, they all seem to get around quickly though. But yeah I can see Baelish doing it, either way I can't see Kevan and Pycelle lasting too long
 
I'll be shocked of GRRM isn't furiously dedicating every drop of his time to stop these muppets ruining his story before he can tell it properly.
 
sullydnl said:
Could it not just be that the point of Stannis was to be an interesting character? Why does he need to have some massive purpose beyond what we've already seen?
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Why the feck was Stannis at Dragonstone for 3 decades consolidating his forces only to lose again? The best commander in Westeros who held Storm's End, who defeated the Greyjoy fleet, won numerous battles suddenly loses twice to Tyrion and Ramsay fuking Bolton? And please don't tell me Stannis is such a dumb*ss that he can't possibly comprehend what the burning of Shireen will do to the morale of your soldiers, mercenary or not.

I'm just sick of Ramsay and Roose's plot armor. It's totally ridiculous what they're doing. Ramsay is portrayed as something of a genius in the show - capable swordsman, diplomatically sound, good tactician and strategist and not to mention he is a fuking ninja...

And wtf was that ritualistic stabbing of Jon Snow? Where was the panic, the crying, what was the reason? In the books we know why Bowen did what he did - Jon Snow was doing whatever he pleased and wasn't taking his role too seriously in their eyes, but here? They let the wildlings and then they decide to stab Jon? Wtf...

The show is deviating from the books way too much and it's starting to get worse and worse for that reason. It seems to me D&D just can't make a good storyline and the only reason the show was this good until this moment was basically because they were copying George Martin.
 
Well that was a load of shit.

FlawlessThaw said:
Could happen in the first couple of episodes of the next season.

On Jon Snow - first time I'm genuinely thinking he is dead, which kind of sucks a bit.
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Nah, at the rate they are killing off major characters it would basically leave Daenerys' storyline as the only one potentially relevant to the endgame.
 
Simbo said:
I'll be shocked of GRRM isn't furiously dedicating every drop of his time to stop these muppets ruining his story before he can tell it properly.
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I'm not even sure he is, though. He apparently only writes on his dedicated writing computer at home (even though he spends a shitload of time travelling and stuff), while he has been working on lots of side projects over the past few years. I'm not sure the guy can be arsed finishing it.
 


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The "bad pussy" line was easily the worst of the season if not series. Awful. Stannis ruined in a couple of episodes. Brienne still pointless. Daenery's storyline looking like it'll spend another season wasting time and everybody's patience. And kill off grey worm and missandei 'romance' already for the love of god. Arya plot finally moved on but was very boring overall. Really poor season IMO.
 
Worst lines of the season must look something like;
  • You like the good girl but you want the bad pussy
  • The dwarf stays alive till we find a cock merchant
  • I'm a queen, not a politician
Any missing?
 
Simbo said:
I'll be shocked of GRRM isn't furiously dedicating every drop of his time to stop these muppets ruining his story before he can tell it properly.
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That's impossible. There's no way he gets two books out before season seven, or even before season eight if we get that far.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Worst lines of the season must look something like;
  • You like the good girl but you want the bad pussy
  • The dwarf stays alive till we find a cock merchant
  • I'm a queen, not a politician
Any missing?
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I'll assume this has somehow slipped off the 'best lines of the season' list.
 
shaggy said:
The "bad pussy" line was easily the worst of the season if not series. Awful. Stannis ruined in a couple of episodes. Brienne still pointless. Daenery's storyline looking like it'll spend another season wasting time and everybody's patience. And kill off grey worm and missandei 'romance' already for the love of god. Arya plot finally moved on but was very boring overall. Really poor season IMO.
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It truly was.:lol:

The Sand Snake monologues were awful, but at least they were supposed to serve some sort of narrative purpose, even if was done in a terrible, heavy-handed way. That line just had no purpose or reason, and was delivered in an awful way to boot.
 
Aldo said:
What the hell was Trant even doing before Arya stabbed him by beating those girls?
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The showrunners obviously didn't think the audience were intelligent enough to get the fact that he was a bad guy when they made him a paedophile, so then made him a sadist as well...just so we got the message.
 
And is Bronn also dead? Don't tell me that bite on the ear was some sort of 'snake-bite' and he's done for as well. These writers are getting slightly carried away with the whole Viper/Snakes concept.
 
Aldo said:
And is Bronn also dead? Don't tell me that bite on the ear was some sort of 'snake-bite' and he's done for as well. These writers are getting slightly carried away with the whole Viper/Snakes concept.
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Bronn is probably still alive. A neutral fan favourite who is just there to make japes. I assume a similar reason as to why Varys has suddenly appeared to unite with Tyrion again.
 
DWelbz19 said:
A neutral fan favourite who is just there to make japes. I assume a similar reason as to why Varys has suddenly appeared to unite with Tyrion again.
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If anything they're a throwback to the earlier seasons and a constant reminder of the downward spiral in quality of both writing and acting. That little exchange between Tyrion and Varys was far more enjoyable than most of the other 'relevant' stuff that happened.
 
I really hope the Stannis-Bolton battle is more climactic in the book, they've been building up to it for so fecking long. Though logically, a simple Bolton victory does make sense considering Winterfell's defences, the weather outside, how far Stannis' troops have been travelling...
 
I really miss the conversations between Varys and Littlefinger in the Throne Hall. Compared to this season's monologues, they were utterly brilliant together. They hadn't even derailed from the show back then. Those were the days...
 
ThierryHenry said:
I really hope the Stannis-Bolton battle is more climactic in the book, they've been building up to it for so fecking long. Though logically, a simple Bolton victory does make sense considering Winterfell's defences, the weather outside, how far Stannis' troops have been travelling...
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I don't think there'll be a clear-cut winner in the books as such. The Boltons may use their defences from inside Winterfell to decimate Stannis' army, but Manderlys and co will do a lot of damage to the Boltons on the inside if they finally announce their betrayal. It'll be a bloodfest, only well thought out hopefully.
 
Lady Stoneheart could theoretically still happen. That would be a fairly big spoiler I guess.
 
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