Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

I have forgotten so much from the books. I'm glad though and I won't be rereading or looking anything up at least until the season finishes. It ought to make watching the show more enjoyable and less infuriating when they screw something up.
 
akash02 said:
I hadn't considered that tbh. Now that I think about it, it seems likely that they will come back to it. EDIT - Don't think she asked 3 question either (?) so they'll definitely be revising it. Good to know.

Apparently, Cersie has 2 scenes (with Catelyn and Robert) in season 1 where she says she had a child with Robert and goes on to describe him before eventually saying that the child died with fever. Kinda shocking they forgot about that:lol:
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Yeah, Cersei's mentioned her other child before.

Unless Tommen is actually the son of Tyrion and Jaime?!!
 
akash02 said:
I hadn't considered that tbh. Now that I think about it, it seems likely that they will come back to it. EDIT - Don't think she asked 3 question either (?) so they'll definitely be revising it. Good to know.
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I think its 3 questions with the Valanqor being left out of the show.
1) Will I marry the Prince?
2) So I'll be a queen then?
3) Will I have children?

The 2nd question is a bit ambiguous as to whether Cersei asked it as a question or not.

Apparently, Cersie has 2 scenes (with Catelyn and Robert) in season 1 where she says she had a child with Robert and goes on to describe him before eventually saying that the child died with fever. Kinda shocking they forgot about that:lol:
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I thought she had a kind of abortion (moon tea?). Or is that in the books?
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Think on the whole stories name - a song of fire and ice. R'hllor is fire, the 'others' and the 'great other' are ice..... Or are the Dragons 'fire?'
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If I remember correctly the "song of ice and fire" is name of the prophecy of the prince that was promised. But of course in the book and in GRRM's world it means more than that.

In GRRM's own words:

I mean... Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books.
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so it's more than just a simple reference to a prophecy it's the main concept of his books. Everyone of his characters fights the battle of ice and fire in their own way. Maybe it's even both in the end but I don't think there will be a literal rebirth of Azor Ahai. It's neither going to be Danny or Jon who save Westeros on their own like a big shining hero but more likely a combination out of a lot of people. Might even be a combination out of Tyrion, Jon, Danny, Bran and who knows maybe even Stannis and Meslisandre will still play a very important role in all of this.
 
harshad said:
I think its 3 questions with the Valanqor being left out of the show.
1) Will I marry the Prince?
2) So I'll be a queen then?
3) Will I have children?

The 2nd question is a bit ambiguous as to whether Cersei asked it as a question or not.

I thought she had a kind of abortion (moon tea?). Or is that in the books?
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Oh...

That was the books. That's what happens when you change bits and pieces from the series especially one as complex as this one.

NoLogo said:
If I remember correctly the "song of ice and fire" is name of the prophecy of the prince that was promised. But of course in the book and in GRRM's world it means more than that.
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Think so.

The only time the words "Song of Ice and Fire" is used in the series is when Rhaegar says "He is the prince that was promised and his is the song of ice and fire". IMO that suggests that it's not about any particular person but more a battle of the forces or something like that.
 
NoLogo said:
If I remember correctly the "song of ice and fire" is name of the prophecy of the prince that was promised. But of course in the book and in GRRM's world it means more than that.

In GRRM's own words:



so it's more than just a simple reference to a prophecy it's the main concept of his books. Everyone of his characters fights the battle of ice and fire in their own way. Maybe it's even both in the end but I don't think there will be a literal rebirth of Azor Ahai. It's neither going to be Danny or Jon who save Westeros on their own like a big shining hero but more likely a combination out of a lot of people. Might even be a combination out of Tyrion, Jon, Danny, Bran and who knows maybe even Stannis and Meslisandre will still play a very important role in all of this.
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Excellent, I had not read that quote before. I agree, it has a myriad of potential meanings and chances are that all of the theories behind the name are true.
 
akash02 said:
I hadn't considered that tbh. Now that I think about it, it seems likely that they will come back to it. EDIT - Don't think she asked 3 question either (?) so they'll definitely be revising it. Good to know.

Apparently, Cersie has 2 scenes (with Catelyn and Robert) in season 1 where she says she had a child with Robert and goes on to describe him before eventually saying that the child died with fever. Kinda shocking they forgot about that:lol:
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I actually don't remember those scenes at all. Maybe she was lying about it being Robert's kid rather than Jaime's? Bit of a feck up if they've already screwed up the one prophesy they decide to mention :lol:
 
sullydnl said:
I actually don't remember those scenes at all. Maybe she was lying about it being Robert's kid rather than Jaime's? Bit of a feck up if they've already screwed up the one prophesy they decide to mention :lol:
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They went the extra distance and pointed out how the kid had black hair so definitely not Jaime's

I can't believe they are still going with the Grey worm-Melisandre thing!
 
akash02 said:
They went the extra distance and pointed out how the kid had black hair so definitely not Jaime's

I can't believe they are still going with the Grey worm-Melisandre thing!
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Good spot - that's really careless of them.
 
Mods seem a bit ambiguous on the extent to which we can discuss the leaked episodes (appropriate for ASOIAF I suppose :lol:) so I'll try to stay on the safe side by just saying that they've been excellent; really, really excellent. Surpassed all my expectations.
 
naturalized said:
Mods seem a bit ambiguous on the extent to which we can discuss the leaked episodes (appropriate for ASOIAF I suppose :lol:) so I'll try to stay on the safe side by just saying that they've been excellent; really, really excellent. Surpassed all my expectations.
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Yep. Cinactorship!
 
Revan said:
Watch episode 1, Season 3 of Misfits. You can see Nathalie Emmanuel semi-naked there.

And yep, she's gorgeous. Better than Emilia Clarke.
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Why would I watch that? She was naked last season:drool:

Totally agree. Emilia Clarke looks like a horse!
 
naturalized said:
Mods seem a bit ambiguous on the extent to which we can discuss the leaked episodes (appropriate for ASOIAF I suppose :lol:) so I'll try to stay on the safe side by just saying that they've been excellent; really, really excellent. Surpassed all my expectations.
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Really?

I'm disappointed so far. If you or any one else would like to discuss it further we could start a convo so the proles don't get wind of what's going to happen.
 
I've started a convo so anyone who would like to discuss the leaked episodes let me know and I'll add you.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Is this the book thread?

Is there meant to be no TV talk? I haven't seen the episode(s), yet I've already noticed several show-related posts.
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There have never been any limits in here when it comes to the TV show and spoilers once it's aired, mostly because we always knew what was going to happen.

I dunno, I'm happy to revise that if people want? I don't see the point personally though.
 
naturalized said:
Mods seem a bit ambiguous on the extent to which we can discuss the leaked episodes (appropriate for ASOIAF I suppose :lol:) so I'll try to stay on the safe side by just saying that they've been excellent; really, really excellent. Surpassed all my expectations.
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You cannot discuss leaked episodes in here at all.
 
akash02 said:
Why would I watch that? She was naked last season:drool:

Totally agree. Emilia Clarke looks like a horse!
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Write 'Nathalie Emmanuel Misfits' on youtube, and you'll see why. Fantastic gif.

It is also an insane tv show.
 
Solius said:
I've added Cheesy. Tell me who to invite and I'll just add them.
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Cheers.

Would it not be easier if people who want to be added tag you instead of me?

Or you could give me mod powers and I can let it go to my head and ban anyone who is enjoying this series so far.
 
Comments for the first episode:

- They killed Mance Raydar, they fecking killed them. Cnuts, ultimacnuts!

- I liked the changes on Varys-Tyrion part. The more Varys, the better.

- The prophecy - without the little brother - was as pointless as it can be.

- The naking was done wrong. More Daenerys, Missandrei, Melisandre and co, less Loras and Daario.

- Did they changed the actor for Ser Kevan Lannister? Btw, why he is Ser Kevan instead of Lord Kevan?

- They killed Mance Raydar, they fecking killed them. Cnuts, ultimacnuts!
 
I never should have read the books. I'm confused as hell, and for each season that comes along I remember less and less from the books, and spend more and more time trying to recall what actually happened in the books while watching the show.

Stupid books!

Actually, on second note, stupid GRRM for not just finishing the series in the first place, so at least we could enjoy them for what they were, and the show for being something else entirely! Now it's impossible to even keep track of what's spoiling what! I can't even imagine what it will be like once the next book is out, trying to piece together who's where, there and what and what not.
 
It's going to be like keeping track of two completely different timelines.
 
Easy peasy! Books are canon, show is etertaining shit.

Mance Raydar is alive for all I care.
 
Jed I. Knight said:
I never should have read the books. I'm confused as hell, and for each season that comes along I remember less and less from the books, and spend more and more time trying to recall what actually happened in the books while watching the show.
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Yeah me too, its slightly annoying as I want to remember the depth of the books but the show throws you off as well.

I need an episode by episode differences guide
 
I don't mind the prophesy pruning, the part about her children dying is more important than her own fate the way I see it.

This episode was mostly people staring at other people's arses.
 
From Vanity Fair (I googled Mance Rayder, that's how I found it ok?). Sums up my feeling about the show character. Didn't mind him dying.
There was a major death that closed out the Season 5 premiere of Game of Thrones and it’s one not even book readers could have seen coming. At the end of the episodes, after refusing to kneel before Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane), Mance Rayder (Ciaran Hinds) was gruesomely roasted alive until Jon Snow (Kit Harington) put him out of his misery with an arrow. A very similar scene takes place in theGeorge R.R. Martin’s books including the roasting and the arrow. But on the page, it’s one of Rayder’s lieutenants, Rattleshirt (Edward Dogliani), who dies. Melisandre glamours Rattleshirt to look like Mance and Mance to look like Rattleshirt and Jon, not knowing Mance is dead, starts training with Mance in disguise. We know there’s no glamouring going on here because Rattleshirt hasn’t been seen on the show since Season 3. And while it’s possible they could swap Rattleshirt out for a different character (I’m looking at you, Tormund), I believe Mance died for real tonight. Don’t say Martin didn’t warn you
So why did Dan Weiss and David Benioff decide to bump off Mance on the show? Well, for a number of reasons. First of all, it’s pretty clear that the mission statement of this season is “efficiency.” I’m a huge fan of the books, but if you’ll forgive me for saying so, Martin’s fourth and and fifth novels could have used a lot of editing. That’s essentially what Weiss and Benioff are doing here. They’ve obviously gotten rid of the whole plot with Mance Rayder’s baby (so, apparently, that book story line doesn’t pay off in a significant way), and without that plot there isn’t a real reason to keep Mance around.

Except, of course, for the part about him training Jon. That relationship is actually pretty lovely in the books. But it hasn’t been translating very well on screen, has it? That’s no fault of Hinds, who is a brilliant actor. But those long scenes with Mance and Jon in various snowy tents haven’t really been landing. Their scene in the cell delivered tonight, though, and that’s because their conversation had very real stakes. But, more importantly, the way Jon treated Mance here, and the leadership he showed in stepping up and firing that mortal arrow, went a long way towards rehabilitating a character that has never come across as well onscreen as it did in the books.

Game of Thrones worked pretty hard in Season 4 to make Jon Snow a more believable leader. But, due in large part to having been aged up for the show, Snow still isn’t quite the boy wonder he was in the books. But even Jon Snow’s biggest detractors have to admit that his rebellious/decisive act of mercy with the arrow (in the books he orders his archers, here he takes the shot himself) was pretty impressive. This is a man I would follow.

But just because the death makes sense for the show, doesn’t mean everyone is about to go gently into that good night. Back in March, in their lengthy cover story about this season, Entertainment Weeklyinterviewed an anonymous longtime member of the cast who was upset to find out he died much earlier on the show than he did in the books. My completely unconfirmed suspicion? That actor was Ciaran Hinds. The pieces all fit: Hinds has been around since Season 2, played a very background role, and likely expected to step up into a more featured position in Season 5. The anonymous actor told EW:

It proves you should probably not read the books. I thought this season I was going to have more to do, and I was really looking forward to that. And then I got my dates from my agent and I thought, “That doesn’t tally.” Because there was no way if they were sticking to the books I should be in it for that number of weeks. It seemed to me they must be writing me out. The showrunners rang me and told me, “Your time is up in the series.” I’m disappointed but you have to accept that the demands of TV are different. I find myself being quite emotional about it. I’m going to miss it. Never mind being a professional, they’re very nice people.

We’ll miss Hinds, who was certainly never used to his full strength in Game of Thrones. But if he had to go so we could root a little harder for Jon Snow, well, then it was worth it.
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did they recast people? this can be a confusing show to watch at the best of times, I'm convinced they recast the cousin cause it took awhile for me to recall what he was even on about.
 
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