The cousin was the same. Wasn't sure for Ser Kevan but apparently it is the same actor. Just that I had forgotten his face.
Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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Mance is alive, Benoiff and Weiss can feck off.
Are we allowed to talk about the leaked episodes in this thread - relating to the books?
Nope. There's a conversation going though, I'm sure someone will add you to it if you want.
I very much doubt it.
I'd rather you didn't personally.
I could watch the leaked episodes but then i'll have nothing to watch for 3 weeks or whatever it takes to catch up.
The threads like the tv show will catch up soon enough. Maybe make another thread in the meantime?
And at this stage i find comparing the book and the tv series kind of futile. Every single scene in the tv show was different to the book in some manner.
If i look at it as an adaption then its just a bit annoying and disappointing.
Watched on its own merits and getting to see the world realised somewhat with episodes like the attack at the wall is kind of cool.
Seeing the dragons getting bigger and scarier is great too.
And while they're chopping the original books up, the story they are telling is quite good despite that and probably a more suitable one for the medium.
I'm not going to assume that stuff they're cutting out of the show is irrelevant. I care about what happens at the iron isles so its relevant to me.
I care about what happens to lady stoneheart and jaime meeting her so its relevant to me.
I think they've just decided to stop adding characters basically. They want to finish the story of Jon Snow, the Starks, Danny and the Lannisters.
Anything not directly relevant to that is getting chopped out.
Having said that cutting lady stoneheart out is weird. Maybe they're just cutting out view point chapters that aren't the above characters.
Maybe she'll show up at the end of the season when Brienne bumps into her or something.
Maybe Victarion will show up at a later point too.
Just seen this:
Quite possibly one of the worst dialogues ever in the show. Whoever came up with that piece of genius should be sacked.
Quite possibly one of the worst dialogues ever in the show. Whoever came up with that piece of genius should be sacked.
It seems like they're 'fusing' elements of book characters with what they have - it seems Arianne will be covered by Ellaria and a few of the Sand Snakes, it seems Daario is taking some of the Strong Belwas' story, some speculate that Trystane will take the role of Quentyn and even Young Griff. At the very least they better include a Victarion/Euron hybrid.
I don't understand how they can cut out large chunks of the story and then turn around and say well we don't have enough material for the other characters from books 4 and 5 so we're going to have to use material from the next two books.
If they did the greyjoy storyline, Aegon (fake or real) and the Arianne storylines, then they would have enough stuff to probably last the entire season and a bit of the next without touching book 6. The favorite characters would still be involved as well as Tyrion is part of the Aegon story and Dany meets Arianne's brother Quentyn.
Will Myrcella even be in this season since Arianne was a big part of her storyline?
If they did the greyjoy storyline, Aegon (fake or real) and the Arianne storylines, then they would have enough stuff to probably last the entire season and a bit of the next without touching book 6. The favorite characters would still be involved as well as Tyrion is part of the Aegon story and Dany meets Arianne's brother Quentyn.
Will Myrcella even be in this season since Arianne was a big part of her storyline?
I'd imagine they feel a lot of that material wouldn't work on TV or, more honestly, is just a bit crap. I mean these two books are pretty much universally recognized as being weaker than the ones that went before and some storylines (Danny's in particular) are very weak. They can't really come out and say that though, can they?
They could indeed stay faithful and add all of the Greyjoys, Arianne, Aegon and the rest but if they did so they would probably see the TV show dip in quality in the same way the books did. So instead they're doing their own thing.
So they killed Mance, so the stroy about his baby, him appearing like Rattleshirt and him going to Winterfeel to save fake Arya - goes out of the water..
Also as I understood we wont see Aegon in the show or will we. Cause Varys says to Tyrion they're going to meat Danny..
Also as I understood we wont see Aegon in the show or will we. Cause Varys says to Tyrion they're going to meat Danny..
Yeah I guess not, which does add to the theory that Tyrion may be a Targarean by birth (Not sure if the GoT theories have been talked about in this thread, I'm a late comer) as the Targaren 3 headed Dragon needs 3 people, with one being Dany and the other one rather obvious..
Aegon is cut.
No idea if he's fAegon or if it was just a show decision. Still, I think that this has been the worst decision (together with Euron/Victarion) cause their story is the only interesting thing in A Dance with Dragons.
Didn't like that they cut Arienne, but it isn't as a big deal as those 3. Mance, Stoneheart and Jeyne Westerling (feck Talisa) are more acceptable changes.
No idea if he's fAegon or if it was just a show decision. Still, I think that this has been the worst decision (together with Euron/Victarion) cause their story is the only interesting thing in A Dance with Dragons.
Didn't like that they cut Arienne, but it isn't as a big deal as those 3. Mance, Stoneheart and Jeyne Westerling (feck Talisa) are more acceptable changes.
Dont know about that theory tbh.
I read the last book 2 years ago I think so I forgot lots of things, that dragon thing also.
As Revan said cutting Aegon is a stupid decision imo.
There will no Kingsmoot?
No-one has been cast yet, so they won't appear on this season. So it looks extremely likely that they won't appear at all. Danny will come to Westeros in the next season/book (almost certainly) and she should have met Victarion by then.
I think that they have ceased to exist as much as Aegon and Arienne. Which is fecking shit considering that their stories were the most interesting parts in the books 4 and 5.
I don't think that there is anything on this theory. On my opinion, they are making things more simple cause of budget (new actors cost) and it would be too difficult to follow for the Unsullies (that would be the show watchers). Even if they go with Tyrion riding a dragon, it doesn't neccesarily mean anything more than him just riding a dragon.
Dragons can be rode from other people too (The Princess and the Queen novella).
Dont know about that theory tbh.
I read the last book 2 years ago I think so I forgot lots of things, that dragon thing also.
As Revan said cutting Aegon is a stupid decision imo.
The theory as I understand it is that as the Targaryen sigil is the thread headed Dragon, and Dany had three dragon eggs, three Targaryens would rise, have a dragon each and rule.
Dany is the obvious one.
Jon Snow is a well established theory which has all but been admitted to be true by GRRM.
So the other theory is that Aegon was a red herring, and not actually a Targaryen (which if he's not being put in the show, kind of makes sense)
With the last Targaryen being Tyrion... how might you ask?
There's a bit of dialogue from Tywin regarding Joanna (his wife) and the Mad King Aerys:
“Prince Aerys . . . as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the . . . the liberties your father took during the bedding.”
So the theory here is that Tyrion is a bastard born of rape, it's far less concrete than L+R=Jon Snow, but still, with Aegon being removed from the show you have to wonder where the 3rd Targaryen will come from.
Thats a bit shit. Also, now there is also no motivation left for Asha to rescue Theon from the Boltons. Guess last season's rescue attempt was it and that could also be the end of Asha/Yara story line.
Also, we don't know the fate of Balon. He is still alive on the show right?
Fully agree. Aegon was awesome.
There were 2 excellent storylines in Dance. One was Aegon and other was the Jon-Stannis-Reek-Mance-Manderley (or the north). They've dropped one storyline altogether and utterly destroyed the other beyond recognition. The best thing about Aegon is that it doesn't matter whether he's fake or not. No one's believing him either way and the impact of his reveal doesn't change.
The ironborn omission is joke. Euron's speech at the Kingsmoot is one of my favourite quotes in the series.
And can someone figure out what's stopping Roose Bolton from killing LF right on the spot?
LF wants to marry Sansa to Ramsay as I untedrsood?
Another stupid thing in the show if you ask me.
Another stupid thing in the show if you ask me.
If he keeps him around he basically has control over Lord Robin and the Vale too, I think?
That seems pretty certain at this stage. It is really becoming a completely different story.
Who's gonna go to save Sansa, now with Mance dead? Brianne or Tormund?
He has no control over the vale nor any use for it in any case. He already has who he wants to secure the North and winter is coming. Instead of breaking his head over his supposed just kill him and be done with it. No one's going to give 2 shits about LF dying.
Theon.
Yep. Forgot about 'Reek'.
So we'll see Theon's redemption on a completely different way.
What is the point of Brianne now with Lady Stoneheart not being brought back, and with Jaime fecking of in Dorne?
Alfie Allen (Theon) also slipped up in the GoT pre-show, when interviewed he said how much he enjoyed working with "her". Meaning Sophie Turner. So yeah, I think Reek...regressing back into Theon and saving Sansa is likely.
Where did this come from? I just remembered Littlefinger saying that they are travelling West.
Does that mean that Harry the Heir won't be in the show either? Book Sansa and show Sansa may end up being two very different people.
I got that from the show, maybe I'm wrong but there are already theories about it.
Dont like all this changes one bit.
I saw screenshots of her and Trystane, both look rather old (about Tommens age) and I think they'll both have some sort of plot. With no Arianne it seems Ellaria and the Sand Snakes will cover her plot.
How would that work though?
Jon needs a reason to send a rescue team to Winterfell, which ends up leading to the pink letter. But if Sansa takes the place of fake Arya and Jon sends a team to rescue her, okay. However this would be a fairly public wedding and Sansa is still supposed to be in hiding from Cersei. Once Cersei found out about the wedding, she would demand that Sansa be returned to King's Landing to face trial.
If she marries Ramsay under her alias, then Jon has no reason to send anyone to Winterfell on a rescue mission, which would mean that the pink letter would have to be changed.
LF is obsessed with Catelyn and by extension her daughter as well, why would he set her up to be possibly raped and tortured by that psychopath when he could just have Sansa for himself? Unless they also change that aspect of the storyline.
Its a plausible theory but I don't see how it could logically occur.
I'm guessing he doesn't really know Ramsay is a psychopath yet.
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They probably wouldn't but there is scope for them to leave out the 'for the watch' stuff, they don't seem to be keen on including many resurrections or magic-fused elements to that extent. They've only included what they had to, in that regards, really.
Maybe they'll actually kill Jon Snow, just to feck with us book readers. The meltdown would be epic....
Is there not any chance Melisandre has still put the illusion on Mance and actually killed Tormund or someone?
More interested in the potential Sansa/Ramsey storyline than any other currently. Also hoping they put the dragons more to the forefront now.
More interested in the potential Sansa/Ramsey storyline than any other currently. Also hoping they put the dragons more to the forefront now.
I wondered the same but what would be the actual point? They can just have Tormund do anything Mance was going to do without complicating things with illusions and magic.
Really? It just seems a bit odd to me. Not liking it. I think I saw a interview with some of the cast members and the actor playing Jon said a lot of the budget went on the dragons.
Was that episode the first time we've seen Margaery and Loras talk to each other?