They'll probably make up a bunch of stories revolving around Tyrion, seeing as he's the only character most of the TV show wankers watchers care about. That could be a good thing, if they do it right, but so far most of the TV writers' ideas have been pretty shit, so I don't have high hopes.
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It would have been overwhelming for much of the tv audience. My GF can barely get to grips with some of the lesser seen characters as it is. God knows what'll happen with the raft of new ones. They had to trim it somehow!
Has anyone bought his latest release, and if so, thoughts?
Given that it was essentially supposed to be a history book, I thought it was quite good. A few interesting bits of information that might affect the main storyline (though I doubt it) and as a whole Westeros, especially the Targaryen reign is fleshed out nicely. Asshai and the other far eastern parts of Essos appear to be quite creepy. It's not a tell all book though, if you're expecting that. It's written in the same way his previous two books are written (Princess and the Queen and the Rogue Prince), from the PoV of a Maester. It's basically a wiki with nice pictures.
Of course given that the story is still incomplete, not everything is revealed. There's next to nothing new on either Robert's Rebellion or Summerhall which he's probably saving for the main book and the D&E respectively.
I fiund 'Princess and the Queen' very badly written. It was more like reading a blog, or a wiki rather than reading a book from arguably the best fantasy writter of all time. These books generally are bad (I disliked 'The Slow Regard of Silent Things' from Rothfuss too), but I was expecting better from Martin, especially considering that I found 'Dunk and Egg' series really excellent.
Is the Rogue Prince any better?
Is the Rogue Prince any better?
Dunk and the Egg series are actual novellas though not a historical account like the rest. If you expected flowery prose and beautiful writing then yeah, it's not for you. I like the wiki-ish style combined with personal bias of the Maester writing. Keeps it more interesting than say something like Silmarillion which can bore you to death even if the writing is quite good.
Rogue Prince is similar to Princess and the Queen. More compact but less action. Princess and the Queen suffered from extended editing. It was originally an 80k word bok on it's own but because that was too big for 'Dangerous Women' it was edited down and parts of that are in the new book. Made for a disjointed story although the content made up for it.
Rogue Prince is similar to Princess and the Queen. More compact but less action. Princess and the Queen suffered from extended editing. It was originally an 80k word bok on it's own but because that was too big for 'Dangerous Women' it was edited down and parts of that are in the new book. Made for a disjointed story although the content made up for it.
Thanks. TO be honest I always had a tough time keeping up with family lines, towns, islands etc. TOo complicated for me, so either this book is exactly what I need or will bore me to death
The Wiki is excellent for that. I had a nice of read of the wiki when I first finished reading and it really helps in making things clearer.
I gave up after the 4th book and don't think I'll start on this again in near future.
Dance with Dragons is actually quite nice
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Not much happens but it is a nice book IMO, considering that most of nice characters are there.
One third of the dance is really poor, by far the worst in the series. Every chapter with Dany and Tyrion (especially after he escapes Joncon) is very difficult to read and virtually nothing happens in any of them. On the other hand, the Theon chapters are some of the best chapters in the entire series and saves the book along with the Stannis chapters. From the looks of it, WoW will follow the same pattern. The one Theon chapter released is 
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.I probably would've been far less spiteful towards ADWD if I hadn't waited six fecking years for it. I spent the majority of the book frustrated with the lack of any meaningful progression, that may not have been the case if the wait wasn't so long.
I think that Dance is a bit too long, and he could have done away with half of Dany's chapters, but it sets up the series quite well for the coming books.
Veiled attempt at telling us you read the books before the show started.
Considering I made this thread right before the show first aired in 2011, I don't really think doing that would be necessary.
Shut up fam.
Whoa, whole 6 days before the show started. #trendsetter
I think this was originally used for the TV show and there was already a thread for the books, but then the spoiler stuff happened and the tv people made a new thread and this just basically became the book thread.
R.I.P In Peace old book thread.
Yea. I was going to blame you too for the whole spoiler movement. Decided to be subtle with the hashtag instead.
The TV thread sucks anyways. Bunch of confused and angry people mixing with people that have recently milked themselves.
Just finished A World Of Ice And Fire last night. Nice read. About half of it passed me by. So many names and locations but I used to be a good history student so was right up my alley in terms of enjoyment.
TWOIAF is good but I think it would've made more sense to release it when the ASOIAF series is actually finished as there are obviously a few things GRRM is saving until the last two books to reveal regarding some of the history of the world. There were a few passages that felt a bit vague but overall it was decent. The artwork was mostly lovely as well.
It will get re-released when the book are finished IMO (5 years from now, being optimisitc). More money doesn't really hurt.
I think that Robert Jordan did it the same, he released an encyclopedia for The Wheel of Time sometimes when he was on the middle of the books, and now there are plans to release a new one (likely next year, by Robert Sanderson) although it has been delayed a few times now.
There's a book planned after the series, roughly titled "Fire and Blood".
It will be relased on next millenia though.
Just read 'The Rogue Prince'. I think that it was much better than 'The Princess and the Queen', although much shorter. Still, I would prefer more a 'Dunk and Egg' novella than these 'Dance of Dragons' novellas.
I'd prefer he just finished the actual fecking books!
Unsurprisingly, his publisher has just said TWOW won't be released this year.
That was as a big surprise as when he did the same last year. Still somehow, I hope that it will be released next year. Poor me!
I'm not sure it's ever getting released. He's pretty much admitted the shows finishing ahead of the books, seems to constantly have a lot of side projects on the go, and is minted. No idea how he's going to fit the rest of the story into two books either, since it seems to be expanding more and more.
I just hope season five of the show is better than the books were. The trailer certainly looks interesting. Hopefully they deviate a bit.
It certainly seems like they're going to compress 4 and 5 mostly into one season with some bits from the 6th book that they kind of make up. Which makes perfect sense, really.
I kind of liked a lot of the stuff in 4 and 5, but they're just too long. Dorne chapters should've been compressed into Arianne, Greyjoy stuff for Asha, Brienne doesn't need any chapters, Quentyn doesn't need any chapters, Daenerys should've had about 5 or 6 instead of about 10 or 11, and Tyrion's could've probably been trimmed down a bit too. A lot of the stuff is still decent, but just doesn't really advance the plot at all, and he was great at doing that in the first three books. Shit flowed, instead of getting clogged.
that'll keep them out.
Why the need to change the thread title though? It is written clearly on the first post that everything can be discussed without spoilers and it is actually the name of the books, not the TV show.
So, thanks for calling me idiot @Cina. Jerk!
So, thanks for calling me idiot @Cina. Jerk!
Well they can't possibly just base this season on the book as it would mean half the characters sitting this season out. It'll have to be a mesh of the two next books, plus whatever else they choose to throw in.
Am I right in thinking that because Sansa is in this season at all, that story line is surpassing the books?
Am I right in thinking that because Sansa is in this season at all, that story line is surpassing the books?
If I was playing world hide and seek, the best place to hide would be a threads first post.
And to be fair, you did drop a massive spoiler when you said Oberyn was a minor character.
Probably, although they might just have Irish Edward Norton giving her lots of creepy, philosophically evil talks, with ADHD Carl from Walking Dead being really annoying and stuff.
It is the thread of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' though. Written on the title. Without GAME OF THRONES.If I was playing world hide and seek, the best place to hide would be a threads first post.
And to be fair, you did drop a massive spoiler when you said Oberyn was a minor character.
And I got banned from the other thread for saying that Oberyn was a minor character. I paid for it
It's the exact same title as before only with you in it.
How much longer will the show go on?
If this season is about books 4, 5 and a bit of 6 then surely next season would focus on 6 and 7 and that would be the end of it, unless they somehow manage to do two seasons out of the available material.
What makes that difficult is the fact that some characters are nearing the end of their current story arc as far as the current books go, like Sansa so if she is in this season then the material will probably be from book 6.
If this season is about books 4, 5 and a bit of 6 then surely next season would focus on 6 and 7 and that would be the end of it, unless they somehow manage to do two seasons out of the available material.
What makes that difficult is the fact that some characters are nearing the end of their current story arc as far as the current books go, like Sansa so if she is in this season then the material will probably be from book 6.