Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?

Scarecrow said:
Yes, I thought about that. I suppose they'll be together at the beginning of next season, as there's surely got to be a reason they put Varys on that ship. However, I don't think it'll be for long, unless they plan a big change from the book plot. Their storylines simply go in different directions.
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Tyrion ends up in Pentos first doesn't he? So I think they may have a brief scene or two there, then part with Vary's location becoming a mystery.

One thing I think is throwing the TV viewers for a huge loop is that they don't pay attention to the details. If it is not spoon fed to them, then they can not figure it out.
 
JustAFan said:
Tyrion ends up in Pentos first doesn't he? So I think they may have a brief scene or two there, then part with Vary's location becoming a mystery.

One thing I think is throwing the TV viewers for a huge loop is that they don't pay attention to the details. If it is not spoon fed to them, then they can not figure it out.
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They want the plot to progress as fast as possible and lose patience (and attention) when it doesn't. I'm not surprised they don't read the books.
 
JustAFan said:
One thing I think is throwing the TV viewers for a huge loop is that they don't pay attention to the details. If it is not spoon fed to them, then they can not figure it out.
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They spend so much time moaning about how nothing is happening that they miss the details, only wibble seem to be able to follow the show.
 
Asking how Stannis got beyond the wall is a fair question tbh. Don't think Eastwatch at Sea has been mentioned has it?
 
akash02 said:
Asking how Stannis got beyond the wall is a fair question tbh. Don't think Eastwatch at Sea has been mentioned has it?
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Yep, it has. From the Game of Thrones wiki:

Season 1
Dareon is assigned to the Stewards and Maester Aemon sends him to Eastwatch and ordered to report to Borcas.[2]

Lord Commander Jeor Mormont tells Jon Snow that four of Cotter Pyke's men found four wights in the snow near Eastwatch. Unlike the men at Castle Black, they had the sense to burn them.[3]

Season 2
Tyrion Lannister takes tremendous pleasure in dumping Janos Slynt onto a boat headed for Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.[4]

Season 3
When Jon Snow infiltrates the wildlings, Orell asks him which of the nineteen castles along the Wall are still manned by the Night's Watch. Jon admits that only Castle Black, Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, and the Shadow Tower are still manned.[5]
 
akash02 said:
Asking how Stannis got beyond the wall is a fair question tbh. Don't think Eastwatch at Sea has been mentioned has it?
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Not sure, but they have mentioned there are other castles, plus the share size of the wall ought to give them some idea that maybe there are other crossing points. But that question really is not that out of order, but other questions are a bit odd.
 
To be fair to the show watchers, anyone who is even remotely correct about something is immediately accused of being a horrible book readers. Which must explain why they're so wrong.

Actually, I just realized @Solius is currently explaining things to them in the TV thread. That is such a terrible idea. Nothing good will come of it. @JustAFan too, now. How have you guys not understood this yet? Don't post in that thread.
 
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Just shows you the attention you have to pay to detail then!

I wonder why some of the show watchers don't read the book if they are really into it. So much easier to follow and still very enjoyable.
 
niMic said:
To be fair to the show watchers, anyone who is even remotely correct about something is immediately accused of being a horrible book readers. Which must explain why they're so wrong.
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True. The one's calling for people to be banned because they mentioned Stannis helping the wall in particular. That was quite explicitly mentioned on the tv show and more than once.
 
Bross is making some valid points though. I could see how they could be confused. The show didn't properly explain Tyrion or Stannis's motivations.
 
Scarecrow said:
Bross is making some valid points though. I could see how they could be confused. The show didn't properly explain Tyrion or Stannis's motivations.
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They could have done with being more explicit in Tyrion's case but they did outline Stannis' motivations.
 
So some of you spend a large amount of time complaining or mocking the fact that the show watchers spend a lot of their time complaining about episodes in the show......only to then complain about perhaps the best episode of the season because it doesn't conform to your exact desired adaptation of the book?

I'm not quite sure what people expect, the books are huge, there is no way they can bring everything into the show, there simply isn't enough time. For the most part they've done an excellent job.

The only gripe I have is how Tyrion and Jamie ended things. I was very sad to see them end like that in the books, especially as they were so close. I think it is important to the plot progression of both, especially Jamie. I don't think it is necessarily the most difficult thing to have Jamie find out about Cersei's various infidelities in another way though and I can't say I was a big fan of Tyrion repeating where whores go non stop (as I believe he did in the books) so not distraught about that.
 
akash02 said:
True. The one's calling for people to be banned because they mentioned Stannis helping the wall in particular. That was quite explicitly mentioned on the tv show and more than once.
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Not to mention in the opening of the finale episode the made a point of showing the scene where the Red Witch mentions he needs to go north.
 
africanspur said:
So some of you spend a large amount of time complaining or mocking the fact that the show watchers spend a lot of their time complaining about episodes in the show......only to then complain about perhaps the best episode of the season because it doesn't conform to your exact desired adaptation of the book?

I'm not quite sure what people expect, the books are huge, there is no way they can bring everything into the show, there simply isn't enough time. For the most part they've done an excellent job.

The only gripe I have is how Tyrion and Jamie ended things. I was very sad to see them end like that in the books, especially as they were so close. I think it is important to the plot progression of both, especially Jamie. I don't think it is necessarily the most difficult thing to have Jamie find out about Cersei's various infidelities in another way though and I can't say I was a big fan of Tyrion repeating where whores go non stop (as I believe he did in the books) so not distraught about that.
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I quite liked the episode myself.
 
niMic said:
To be fair to the show watchers, anyone who is even remotely correct about something is immediately accused of being a horrible book readers. Which must explain why they're so wrong.

Actually, I just realized @Solius is currently explaining things to them in the TV thread. That is such a terrible idea. Nothing good will come of it. @JustAFan too, now. How have you guys not understood this yet? Don't post in that thread.
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I'm explaining using things that were in the show though. It's obvious the Wildlings don't have ships and you saw Davos with Salladhor Saan in a previous episode so you know they got ships.
 
Scarecrow said:
Bross is making some valid points though. I could see how they could be confused. The show didn't properly explain Tyrion or Stannis's motivations.
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Stannis, directed by his Red Witch, pretty clear.

Tyrion, heck even my wife who generally prefers lights hearted TV shows she doesn't have to pay detailed attention to, has been calling for one of the Lannister's to kill Tywin. Her only question was, what took Tyrion so long to do so.
 
Solius said:
I'm explaining using things that were in the show though. It's obvious the Wildlings don't have ships and you saw Davos with Salladhor Saan in a previous episode so you know they got ships.
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Same here basically just told Bross to watch some past episodes and only mentioned scenes that were in the show.
2+2 type stuff. If the wildlings were big on ships, the wall would be useless against them and they would not bother doing things like climbing the wall (as we saw them do in two episodes) or bother trying to take the main gate at Castle Black.
 
africanspur said:
So some of you spend a large amount of time complaining or mocking the fact that the show watchers spend a lot of their time complaining about episodes in the show......only to then complain about perhaps the best episode of the season because it doesn't conform to your exact desired adaptation of the book?

I'm not quite sure what people expect, the books are huge, there is no way they can bring everything into the show, there simply isn't enough time. For the most part they've done an excellent job.

The only gripe I have is how Tyrion and Jamie ended things. I was very sad to see them end like that in the books, especially as they were so close. I think it is important to the plot progression of both, especially Jamie. I don't think it is necessarily the most difficult thing to have Jamie find out about Cersei's various infidelities in another way though and I can't say I was a big fan of Tyrion repeating where whores go non stop (as I believe he did in the books) so not distraught about that.
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I think most have stated it was a good episode haven't they? I think it was very good myself with a brilliant ending. But I think it's fair to question some of the changes they've made re Jaime and Tyrion throughout this season. Most changes they make do make sense from one point of view or another but Jaime and Tyrion's character hasn't stayed true to the books.
 
Solius said:
I'm explaining using things that were in the show though. It's obvious the Wildlings don't have ships and you saw Davos with Salladhor Saan in a previous episode so you know they got ships.
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JustAFan said:
Same here basically just told Bross to watch some past episodes and only mentioned scenes that were in the show.
2+2 type stuff. If the wildlings were big on ships, the wall would be useless against them and they would not bother doing things like climbing the wall (as we saw them do in two episodes) or bother trying to take the main gate at Castle Black.
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Okay, but whatever you say will invariably be tinged by the fact that you two have read the books and know what "really" happened. And show watchers have no idea of knowing whether what you're saying is completely within the confines of the show, or whether you're - maybe even without meaning to - colouring the response with your book knowledge. And that is why the rules are in place and why we simply don't discuss the actual events in the TV thread.
 
JustAFan said:
Same here basically just told Bross to watch some past episodes and only mentioned scenes that were in the show.
2+2 type stuff. If the wildlings were big on ships, the wall would be useless against them and they would not bother doing things like climbing the wall (as we saw them do in two episodes) or bother trying to take the main gate at Castle Black.
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bross asks questions but doesn't want to know the answers. :wenger:
 
JustAFan said:
Stannis, directed by his Red Witch, pretty clear.

Tyrion, heck even my wife who generally prefers lights hearted TV shows she doesn't have to pay detailed attention to, has been calling for one of the Lannister's to kill Tywin. Her only question was, what took Tyrion so long to do so.
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The way they presented it, it made more sense for Tyrion to try to kill Cersei. The Tysha story was always the trigger and in the show it was missing.
 
Scarecrow said:
The way they presented it, it made more sense for Tyrion to try to kill Cersei. The Tysha story was always the trigger and in the show it was missing.
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Well in the book we know Tysha was a huge factor, in the show overall though you do not get a sense that Tyrion ever was treated with anything but contempt by Tywin. There obviously was no love there.

Talking with some others are work at lunch about the show, well more listening to them since they have nto read the books, not one was surprised that Tywin was done in by one of his kids. Though at least one thought Cersei would do it.
 
I was disappointed that the Tysha story didn't come back out, they went to the trouble to tell the story in the first place, I guess they just didn't trust the viewers to remember something from season 1 (or was that season 2).

For me that should have been in there instead of the story about the mentally challenge beetle murderer.
 
gooDevil said:
I was disappointed that the Tysha story didn't come back out, they went to the trouble to tell the story in the first place, I guess they just didn't trust the viewers to remember something from season 1 (or was that season 2).

For me that should have been in there instead of the story about the mentally challenge beetle murderer.
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I think they trusted the viewers to remember it as so they did not bring it up. Probably would have been better to have him and Jamie discuss it instead of the beetle story.
 
JustAFan said:
I think they trusted the viewers to remember it as so they did not bring it up. Probably would have been better to have him and Jamie discuss it instead of the beetle story.
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But in the book the truth comes out, and for me that's a huge, huge part of Tyrion's motivation for killing Tywin, perhaps even more so than his actions over Shea.

Personally I didn't like Shea fighting Tyrion either, or Shea actually starting the fight. Tyrion killed her out of hatred, not self defense. Big difference!
 
gooDevil said:
But in the book the truth comes out, and for me that's a huge, huge part of Tyrion's motivation for killing Tywin, perhaps even more so than his actions over Shea.
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Yup as I said probably been better. Though I think there was enough of what a bastard Tywin is towards his kids shown, to make most understand Tyrion wanting to kill him. But again my head may have been turned by my Mrs.
 
Thinking about it, Tywin fecked over everyone dealt with him including Freys and the Boltons. Wonder how everything would have turned out if Tyrion hadn't killed him.
 
Just saw it..argh not happy with a lot of things in that episode. They have in effect ruined one of the best scenes of the books for me.
 
JustAFan said:
Yup as I said probably been better. Though I think there was enough of what a bastard Tywin is towards his kids shown, to make most understand Tyrion wanting to kill him. But again my head may have been turned by my Mrs.
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Everyone already wanted Tywin dead, I suppose they figured it would be overkill, literally, to bring that up.

I don't think Kevin Lannister will be coming up either, Varys killing him was maybe my favorite moment in the books!
 
akash02 said:
Thinking about it, Tywin fecked over everyone dealt with him including Freys and the Boltons. Wonder how everything would have turned out if Tyrion hadn't killed him.
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Well Tywin did not seem intent on fecking them over, but in the end not sure the deals are working out or will work out as both houses had hoped.

Also,to change subject there are mentions in the books from time to time of a huge pack of wolves led by a large female (we presume it to be Ayra's Dire Wolf). Anyone thinking this pack may yet have a role to play in the final outcome or are they just a back story?
 
I liked it a lot as TV viewing but I was definitely disappointed from a book readers perspective. I think they will practically need to be considered two different entities from next season onwards as they'll surely deviate even further now.
 
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