The GoT TV show thread is just following the same pattern as The Walking Dead Thread. Watch the show religiously, do nothing but complain about how awful it is just to make it seem like you are a cool kid.
Books A Song of Ice and Fire (Books) | TV show? What TV show?
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He has specific orders from them to assasinate Mance IIRC.
Will the show watchers be more livid than the Stannis the Mannis book fans, though? I've already seen a myriad of them flame the YouTube videos saying how if the chant and heroic save does happen, it'll be brushed under the carpet in the rest of the tumultuous finale.
Well, TWD is legitimately really shite in a lot of areas, I complain about it because of how shit it is (and how much potential it has). GoT however is a great show.
TWD has indeed some super tedious episodes that are just pure filler. They would actually do well only doing 10-12 episodes season. As there always seem to be 5-6 episodes per season that are just really bad.
I'm really trying to figure out why the wall arc on the TV show bores me so much and leaves me uninterested. It's bizarre as I loved it in the books and Jon is one of my favourite characters, but there's just something so boring about it on the show 
Yeah, there's no comparison. Spoony trolling the Lost thread was annoying, but at least he had a point there. Here he's just being a WUM.
Of course, I still watch every episode of The Walking Dead...
The characters in the show just seem so much more boring, I guess. The gritty atmosphere of the Wall with loads of annoying faces and dislikable figures vs everyone's favourites in Kings Landing and the awesome duo in The Hound and Arya, who wins? Despite the James Bond villain-esque performances, Baelish's political intrigue is just as enticing, Sansa is shaping up to be a new and talented player, Ramsay is just so twisted that you need someone to direct all your hatred toward since Joffrey passed - it's as though The Wall is just so bland in comparison.I'm really trying to figure out why the wall arc on the TV show bores me so much and leaves me uninterested. It's bizarre as I loved it in the books and Jon is one of my favourite characters, but there's just something so boring about it on the show
Plus, there isn't really any humour. The whole first 10 or so minutes as Cina mentioned were just really bad and just seemed so bland in comparison to the humour elsewhere in the show arcs.
The Arsenal fan?
Anyone think the Magnar of Thenn looked like Vincent Kompany?
I hate some of those tv moaners. Spoilt bastards.
I feel the exact same way. I started reading the books after the second season, at which point I found Jon Snow completely uninteresting. After reading the books that was completely turned around, and he became one of my favourite characters, and the intricacies of The Wall were always very interesting. But the show hasn't managed to turn around my feelings I have towards both the characters and the storyline on the wall, as far as the show goes. I can't really put my finger on why and what it is, but for me it's just something that's lost in translation between the mediums I suppose.I'm really trying to figure out why the wall arc on the TV show bores me so much and leaves me uninterested. It's bizarre as I loved it in the books and Jon is one of my favourite characters, but there's just something so boring about it on the show
I was also a bit disappointed by this episode. It was well enough done and all, it just lacked that magnificent tension the battle had in the books. I would say it's because I've already read it and know what happens, but the reactions in the other thread seems to confirm my suspicion that they really haven't been able to do what happens on and around the wall justice in the show.
Brilliant ep, up there as one of the best for me. Giants done really well, that Scythe thing (not in the books right?) and fight sequences as good as I've seen.
Only downer for me would be Snow taking slightly too long grieving for 'Ginger Minge' (how good was that line?) while the battle was still raging, unless it was already won and I just didn't notice. I thought the "You know nothing" line was actually perfectly fitting for that scene, the problem was it was severely overdone earlier on.
Only downer for me would be Snow taking slightly too long grieving for 'Ginger Minge' (how good was that line?) while the battle was still raging, unless it was already won and I just didn't notice. I thought the "You know nothing" line was actually perfectly fitting for that scene, the problem was it was severely overdone earlier on.
Fair play book readers, you are the NW in this case. You've saved that TV thread from the wildlings (the moaners) without giving any spoilers.
I'm surprised they haven't suggested Jon Snow will be commander yet. Even if I didn't read the books his first command is a dead giveaway.
They haven't even hinted at it in the show. I'd imagine most people think that Alliser Thorne is the lord commander.
That's how it went in the books iirc.
I am yet to see the episode. Is it entirely based on the Battle at the Wall?
Yes.
We see him alive and well when Sam goes to check on Gilly at the end of the episode. They didn't kill him off.
No chance they would change Slynt's demise. His execution is a central part of Jon's character progression.
What worries me is that a lot of the dialogue and scenes/plots that they've introduced for the show that weren't in the books have largely been quite shit. Most of the best stuff we've seen has been from the books and I'm concerned that as the series ventures further and further away, it's going to get shitter and cheesier.
EDIT: At the same time though, they have to venture further away to keep people interested. Sigh.
EDIT: At the same time though, they have to venture further away to keep people interested. Sigh.
I don't know, I think a lot of the extra dialogue has been quite good. Robert and Cersei's little candid talk in season 1, for example. Jaime and Bronn. Varys and various people, I believe. Tywin and various people. Sometimes something bad slips through the cracks.
I hated Robert and Cersei's talk, so I guess we differ on that. A lot of the weakest parts of the show (for me) have been the overly prolonged one to ones between characters (which to be fair, there have been less of this season), like Tyrion's awful beetle story with Jaime. And the less said about Sam's big love talk with Jon, the better.
A bit underwhelmed by this episode.
Thought the battle lacked the tension and desperation it had in the books. Also way too many Watch died in the episode considering how few they are actually supposed to be at Castle Black.
Also, Castle Black doesn't have any outer walls in the books. It's only the Wall to the north and nothing in other directions.
Thought the battle lacked the tension and desperation it had in the books. Also way too many Watch died in the episode considering how few they are actually supposed to be at Castle Black.
Also, Castle Black doesn't have any outer walls in the books. It's only the Wall to the north and nothing in other directions.
I seem to remember from the books that a lot of villagers fought alongside the crows. This was never apparent in the show, although it would have explained away the extra numbers.
They have hinted at it, sure. They've shown that Jon does have quite a bit of support in the Night's Watch. If I remember correctly there wasn't really any indication of that before the election came around in the books.
Yeah, surely the bit where everyone decided to follow him to craster's and the moment where everyone looked to him to give commands during the battle are fairly decent hints that he's seen as a bit of a leader?
It'll be interesting to see why people don't vote for Thorne though. I know he's a prick but if I was them I'd sooner trust him than Jon to keep me alive, he was pretty damn impressive during that episode.
It'll be interesting to see why people don't vote for Thorne though. I know he's a prick but if I was them I'd sooner trust him than Jon to keep me alive, he was pretty damn impressive during that episode.
Well he could potentially be dead. We never saw him at the end and while it never looked like he died, it's possible.
If they were going to kill him off though wouldn't they make it more obvious? Having Tormund kill him properly (or even have him taking Grenn/Noye's place against the giant) would've been a lot more dramatic. I don't see much point in letting him die quietly off screen. My guess is he's still alive.
Yeah that is true, forgot about that in the books (it's been a while).
The villagers were not in the TV show though.
Yeah, Alliser is definitely alive.
Wasn't sure if he was alive or not. He definitely wasn't well. He was just lying there on the floor with his eyes open, seemingly not moving. Thought that was a bit weird.
Alliser is still alive in the books isn't he? He's likely going to play a part in the next couple of books.
There's gotta be a scene left from the wall in the next episode. Otherwise everyone will think "I thought he was dead" when he appears in the next season. Sam says "Ser Alliser has fallen". Doesn't mean he's dead. Can also mean that he is dead. Sounds like they're trying to make it a surprise that he's alive.
Alastair, Flynt, Milisandre, sometimes I feel like I'm reading the show watcher thread*
*Where no one makes more name-mistakes than Wibble, and no one pays any more attention than Wibble, incidentally.
*Where no one makes more name-mistakes than Wibble, and no one pays any more attention than Wibble, incidentally.
I think it was a problem that they've largely ignored the wall this year so they needed to spend a lot of time to catch up story wise, I'm not sure how thy can squeeze stannis arriving to save the day into the wall story arc this year without another 30minutes plus.
Anyone else feel this season has been underwhelming? It just feels like at this stage they're either changing too many things from the books or ignoring them entirely and as a result this season has felt rushed.
I think they'll either fit that in at the start of next season, or just show someone swooping in to help with the reveal being at the start of the next season.
For me this season has been the best, by far. Episodes 2, 7, 8 and 9 would easily be on top 10 episodes of the show so far, with episodes 5 and 6 being very good too.
That asha plot they added was terrible. The additional Sam-Gilly scenes were also unnecessary especially when there's a plot next season that includes them traveling together. They messed up the Jaime-Cersie scene as well.
All that aside it was a fairly good season. But I do think they are struggling to deal with the sheer scale of the story. It's quite impossible to develop all the man characters in a single season.
All that aside it was a fairly good season. But I do think they are struggling to deal with the sheer scale of the story. It's quite impossible to develop all the man characters in a single season.
I don't know. This season feels a lot more generic, 2D villains like the scarfaced cannibals, the Crasters Keep guy who started drinking from Mormonts skull. Added to that less intrigue with reduced roles for Varys and the Tyrells. Seemingly everyone knowing Ayra is alive is a massive change from the book.