I don't think that Tyrion or Jon will be the riders simply because they have no ability or tool which would allow them to get near a dragon without being ripped to shreds. Dany is their mother so they have an innate respect for her be even she needs to show them who is the boss.
Bran can control almost any living being which I guess would allow him to control a dragon as well especially since there always seem to be a strong bond between skin changers and their animals.
The dragons are already used to Daario (Euron) he is fearless and someone I could see master a dragon and if he really is Euron he also possess a tool to control a dragon.
Aegon might be a possibility but I'm not even 100% sure that he is a real Tagaryen. I'm also not sure if being a real Tagaryen would automatically suggest you are able to control a dragon.
Jon might have some skin change abilities but he hasn't developed them in anyway which for me means he is out of contention as well. The fact that he is actually half a Targaryen might play in his favor though but again the same as with Aegon I don't know if that automatically would enable you to be a dragon rider.
It's more likely that Coldhands is Benjen. Which he isn't.
No, why would we?
R+L=J is pretty much "confirmed" as far as theories go, to be fair. If you consider it, Ned's "militant truth-telling" was basically an extension of his honour. And it's that honour that would enable him to take on the shame of a bastard child to protect the memory of and honour his sister. Also, when they are parting ways for the final time Ned doesn't say "you're my son", he says "you have my blood", ie. Stark blood. It could still be not the case, but it's a billion times more likely than Daario = Euron.
Jon is essentially Ice and Fire.
To be fair, another, even more confirmed theory would be Three-eyed crow = Brynden Rivers aka Bloodraven aka Master Aemons great-uncle. But that one isn't as much a theory as it is a fact that this point. R+L=J is still just a theory.
Please remind me then where and how it is confirmed, I don't recall that part at all!
Was there time for Rhaegar to get Lyanna pregnant and for her to have a kid between her 'abduction' and death?
Um, because it upsets some people? I've never had a problem with speculation but I understand why someone might not want to hear excellent guesses that might ruin the mystery for them.
And, of course, it has to be spoilered in the tv show thread so you'd think why not here too.
Sansa will be the queen. Said this some time ago (and many other people have said the same), but it all makes sense in the end if Sansa and Aegon will rule as Queen and King. I expect that after all things will go batshit crazy (battle with the others), the story will finish when it started (a Targaryan and a Stark falling in love with each other).The 'fact' he's a Targaryen? It's an interesting theory but Eddard lying to Jon about being his father would be pretty odd as he's was such a militant truth-teller. Still, he might do it, would perhaps explain why he was so angry when Cat tried to guess his mother.
It seems obvious to me that Jon will live by warging, so I feel confident he's a Stark (I figure it's supposed to be 'in the blood' of the Starks), and as he's been one of the main characters all along I expect he'll warg one of the dragons. Can't see him surviving if he isn't a warg or I would be willing to consider him as the son of Rhaegar. Or is there a hint somewhere that the Targaryens could warg?
Since the Starks are the main characters, the story starts with and revolves around them, I expect one of them to end as King or Queen, though if Jon loses his body that would probably eliminate him and he was my outside bet. But Jon or Bran reproducing seems unlikely at this point, and thus are unlikely royalty. Perhaps Rickon is there just to be the last male to keep the Stark name going, he's good for FA otherwise, but him being King would be dumb, we hardly know him.
Please remind me then where and how it is confirmed, I don't recall that part at all!
Was there time for Rhaegar to get Lyanna pregnant and for her to have a kid between her 'abduction' and death?
Sansa will be the queen. Said this some time ago (and many other people have said the same), but it all makes sense in the end if Sansa and Aegon will rule as Queen and King. I expect that after all things will go batshit crazy (battle with the others), the story will finish when it started (a Targaryan and a Stark falling in love with each other).
Sa niMic said R + L = J is pretty much confirmed, as it is the identity of the BloodRaven.
Also, we don't know if being a Stark is a pre-requisite to warg. More likely, being a northman is a pre-requisite. On both cases, Jon despite having a Targaryan father, still has Stark blood (from the mother) so he would be able to warg.
Rickon will most likely become the new Lord of Winterfell, while Bran will be very important in the end. Probbaly after Daenerys he will soon become the most powerful person in the world and it has been too much investment on him.
Interesting will be the final fate of Daenerys and Jon. Considering that they are the most important characters in the saga, I would be really surprised if either of them manages to survive.
The whole Tower of Joy scene is basically a huge hint towards R+L=someone. And the most likely candidate is Jon.
And I believe it was almost 9-10 months since Lyanna's abduction when Ned reached the Tower of Joy. So yes there was enough time for Rhaegar to get Lyanna pregnant.
Consider the timeline - After the abduction, Brandon heads towards Kings Landing, has a pit stop at Riverrun and duels Baelish before reaching Kings Landing. Then his father has to go to Kings Landing. After both of them die, the Mad King ordered Jon Arryn to deliver him the heads of Robert Baratheon and Ned. Arryn rebels and calls his banners; Ned has to reach the North via a round about sea route and call his banners; same with Robert. Ned has to then march south, marry Catelyn, before the Battle at Trident. Then reach Kings Landing, before heading to life the siege at Storm's End and save Stannis' ass. And after all that is over does he go to Tower of Joy to get Lyanna, who is being protected by three Kings Guard including the Lord Commander. All this should have taken at least 9 - 10 months
Thanks for all the info, I must be in denial about how much I skimmed the last two books.
What about Aegon being a 'mummer's dragon' as whoever mentioned to Daeny?
At some point in the TV show she says to Jorah, about the dragons, that 'they're the only children I'll ever have'. Does the book also have this or another suggestion she'll have no children? Otherwise she's the obvious choice to be queen as the only real Targaryan, if Aegon is a fake.
""When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
Viserys was a mummer before he was castrated. He's also the person who saved Aegon so that is one explanation.
There are references to Dany being barren after the ordeal with zombie Drogo. Some people think it's a prophecy or a curse.
I heard that maybe the 'sun that rises in the west and sets in the east' is Quentyn Martell but not sure about the rest of the prophecy.
Very interesting. Aegon being Illyrio's son (and Varys nephew) makes sense and people speculated about it for a long time. Although in most cases it was speculated that he is Valyrian. Being a Blackfyre makes sense much more than just being a random Valyrian.This is a theory I hadn't seen before, but that actually sort of makes sense. Aegon being a Blackfyre.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/156odh/spoilers_all_complete_analysis_of_the_blackfyre/
Very interesting. Aegon being Illyrio's son (and Varys nephew) makes sense and people speculated about it for a long time. Although in most cases it was speculated that he is Valyrian. Being a Blackfyre makes sense much more than just being a random Valyrian.
I guess that it is either this, or Aegon is the real Aegon.
Anyway, can you remind me when JonCon met Aegon? JonCon is loyal and honorable so he wouldn't lie. Unless he is manipulated too by Varys/Illyrio.
I hope on the show Sam ends up as the king. Why you say? Well he is the books ultimate book reader and it will serve those people in the Tv show thread a huge kick in the balls if a book reader ends up on the throne.
But in the books I hope not.
This is a theory I hadn't seen before, but that actually sort of makes sense. Aegon being a Blackfyre.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/156odh/spoilers_all_complete_analysis_of_the_blackfyre/
Illyrio's justification for the GC breaking contract is that "black or red, a dragon is still a dragon". Meaning they don't care if it's a Targaryen or Blackfyre they're backing at this point so long as he leads them to Westeros. However, this seems to contradict a recollection Dany has:
I read before that it's supposed to be something like:
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east" = Quentyn Martell (The Sun's son) journeying from the west and dying in the east.
"When the seas go dry" = The Dothraki Sea (grassland) is drying up in Dany's last chapter.
"mountains blow in the wind like leaves" = The Mountain dying presumably? Or maybe the mountains are the pyramids her dragons destroyed.
Yep. Golden Company is created from Blackfyres.Yes, the Connington part is the largest potential problem with the theory. If it's true, it seems likely that he would have to have been told by Varys/Illyrio that Aegon is a Targaryen, not a Blackfyre. I can't remember if it's been said how long Connington has been with Aegon.
I don't know why I hadn't heard of it before, it's got a lot going from it. The Golden Company is very much connected to the Blackfyres, and then also you would think against the Targaryens.
I am fairly sure that the entire Golden Company aside from the leader (can't remember his name) thought they were breaking their contract for Dany, not Aegon which suggests that at that point they didn't care too much about their founding principles. And they probably thought Viserys was a fool with no chance of winning.
JonCon never saw Aegon so even if he was fake it wouldn't matter too much.
There's a theory that Dany had a miscarriage in the epilogue of the dance.
Yep. Golden Company is created from Blackfyres.
It would be a big irony if the winners of game of thrones are Blackfyres who manipulated the entire situation on Robert's rebellion. They couldn't do it with an open rebellion so they decided to do it with cunning. A bit like Sith/Palpatine on SW.
And another thing wrong with the idea that GC will only back Blackfyres is that JonCon (about as big a Targaryen loyalist as you can get) was 2nd in command there.
That's pretty much what the theory says, isn't it? It can be explained to the men that they are going with Daenerys because a Targaryen is a Targaryen (in the sense that Blackfyre's are still Targaryens), while the leader(s) knew that it was for Aegon. It's not the most watertight theory I've seen, but it's intriguing. The story could work perfectly well with Aegon just being Aegon, or being fake Aegon, without having to be a Blackfyre.
Do you remember why JonCon trusted Varys/Illyrio for Aegon. IIRC, he was send in exile from mad king (for losing against Ned Stark), so you're right that he never saw Aegon.
Was it ever hinted that Danny was pregnant in ADWD?
Yeah, I always considered Varys a man who lives for the realm, and is pretty obvious that a Targaryan is needed in order to make th realm survive. At the end of the day, Blackfyres are Targaryans.Well, if we are to believe Varys, "Aegon", whoever he is, has been brought up to be a proper king, with respect for the people. It just might be for the best, if not for this whole undead icemen army coincidence.
I meant why JonCon trusted Varys that Aegon is Aegon. Varys giving Aegon to JonCon makes perfectly sense, JonCon trusting him that easy is a bit strange IMO. Although a guess might be that he wanted to redeem himself (for not ending the war by burning that town, a process which would have killed Robert) so his judgement was clouded and saw raising 'Aegon' as an oppurtunity to make out for it, without being sure if Aegon is Rhaegar's son.It's never mentioned why but I reckon we can make a fairly good guess. JonCon was a good swordsman and JonCon, Rhaegar's best friend endorsing Aegon as Rhaegar's son lends him plenty of credibility.
I meant why JonCon trusted Varys that Aegon is Aegon. Varys giving Aegon to JonCon makes perfectly sense, JonCon trusting him that easy is a bit strange IMO. Although a guess might be that he wanted to redeem himself (for not ending the war by burning that town, a process which would have killed Robert) so his judgement was clouded and saw raising 'Aegon' as an oppurtunity to make out for it, without being sure if Aegon is Rhaegar's son.
Didn't know the gay part but still him and Dayne were Rhaegar's best friends. So it makes sense for him to see what he wants to see. Also he is a warrior, not a very wise man (basically an another version of Ned Stark).Yeah, I agree with that explanation. Plus most seem to think JonCon loved Rhaegar (as in he was gay) so that's another reason for his judgement to be clouded and him seeing what he wants to see.
I hope Aegon is real though.
