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If there's an 8th book then he'll probably die before it's done, leaving the TV show to actually give us an ending.
 
If there's an 8th book then he'll probably die before it's done, leaving the TV show to actually give us an ending.
If he dies, I'll bet that another writter will be chosen to finish it. I guess that it is a too big series to not have a conclusion.
 
If there's an 8th book then he'll probably die before it's done, leaving the TV show to actually give us an ending.

Tbh if there is an 8th book there are no chances that the TV show won't be finished before the books are out. Even with 7 books and 8 seasons I have little hope that the 7th book will be done before the 8th season finishes.
 
Tbh if there is an 8th book there are no chances that the TV show won't be finished before the books are out. Even with 7 books and 8 seasons I have little hope that the 7th book will be done before the 8th season finishes.

Oh I think it looks certain to me that the TV show will surpass the books, I reckon it could be as early as the 6th season. If they're only planning to do 7 seasons the last two could be quite different to the books.
 
Why can't all writters be like Sanderson and publish ten books for year?

A few reasons. First of all, Sanderson hardly publishes ten proper books per year. A lot of his books are very small, and in universes that aren't exactly big. When he finally set out to write a genuine epic fantasy series he released book one in 2010, and then book two in 2014. Hardly amazing pace. Secondly, he's young. The older writers get, and the longer into series they get, the longer it is between books. Admittedly GRRM has become particularly slow, probably because he stupidly insist on only writing at home on his 1980s computer.

Wheel of Time books: 1990, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2013 (last three Sanderson).

A Song of Ice and Fire books: 1996, 1999, 2000, 2005, 2011. Worrying trend...
 
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Oh I think it looks certain to me that the TV show will surpass the books, I reckon it could be as early as the 6th season. If they're only planning to do 7 seasons the last two could be quite different to the books.

They said it's going to be 7 or 8 seasons so it's about one season a book maybe 3 season for the last two. We are in season 4 now which means that 2015 will be season 5, 2016 will be season 6, 2017 will be season 7 and 2018 will be season 8 if it exists. Which gives him about 2 more years to finish book 6 if he would only need 1 year for book 7 and doesn't mean to write an 8th book.

So the only chance he actually has of finishing the books before the TV series is if it goes for 8 seasons and he has already written half of book 7 and doesn't plan an 8th book.
 
IMO the story's getting too big for Martin. I think he's having trouble bringing together all the storylines within 2 books because he still needs Dany to sort her shite out, Tyrion still has to meet her, everyone needs to meet back in Westeros (Dany, Arya), and then there's fake Aegon, battle for the Iron Throne and finally the battle with the White Walkers (+ R'hllor or whatever). He already split AFFC and ADOD when they were meant to be a single book, and there's no telling if he's going to split up the remaining books.
 
IMO the story's getting too big for Martin. I think he's having trouble bringing together all the storylines within 2 books because he still needs Dany to sort her shite out, Tyrion still has to meet her, everyone needs to meet back in Westeros (Dany, Arya), and then there's fake Aegon, battle for the Iron Throne and finally the battle with the White Walkers (+ R'hllor or whatever). He already split AFFC and ADOD when they were meant to be a single book, and there's no telling if he's going to split up the remaining books.

This is all going to happen right in the next book as well as the arrival of Vicatrion Greyjoy and the iron fleet. We might not see them return to Westeros till the final book though.

We also know that the Dragons seem to be tall enough to fly now and I hope we will know at least of one of the other two dragon riders by the end of next book but I guess that will only happen in the final book I have a feeling that Bran is going to be one of the three riders because Jojen calls him "the flying wolf". The third one might actually be Euron Greyjoy considering that he supposedly has a horn which enables him to control the Dragons even though it would be weird to have a character that barely played any role so far be one of the three dragon riders unless it's really Dario.

So I think all in all Dany's return to Westeros could happen fairly fast once the iron fleet arrives.
 
This is all going to happen right in the next book as well as the arrival of Vicatrion Greyjoy and the iron fleet. We might not see them return to Westeros till the final book though.

We also know that the Dragons seem to be tall enough to fly now and I hope we will know at least of one of the other two dragon riders by the end of next book but I guess that will only happen in the final book I have a feeling that Bran is going to be one of the three riders because Jojen calls him "the flying wolf". The third one might actually be Euron Greyjoy considering that he supposedly has a horn which enables him to control the Dragons even though it would be weird to have a character that barely played any role so far be one of the three dragon riders unless it's really Dario.

So I think all in all Dany's return to Westeros could happen fairly fast once the iron fleet arrives.
I don't like Euron. He doesn't sit well with me and I don't know why. Just seems like a really shady character and I hope he dies :lol: I'm going to go with Tyrion as the 3rd rider.
 
Euron being Daario is a long shot, but not impossible.

I am expecting Jon and Aegon to be the two remaining riders, but I guess it'll be too Hollywoodian for GRRM, so probably not.
 
Euron being Daario is a long shot, but not impossible.

I am expecting Jon and Aegon to be the two remaining riders, but I guess it'll be too Hollywoodian for GRRM, so probably not.

I don't think that Tyrion or Jon will be the riders simply because they have no ability or tool which would allow them to get near a dragon without being ripped to shreds. Dany is their mother so they have an innate respect for her be even she needs to show them who is the boss.

Bran can control almost any living being which I guess would allow him to control a dragon as well especially since there always seem to be a strong bond between skin changers and their animals.

The dragons are already used to Daario (Euron) he is fearless and someone I could see master a dragon and if he really is Euron he also possess a tool to control a dragon.

Aegon might be a possibility but I'm not even 100% sure that he is a real Tagaryen. I'm also not sure if being a real Tagaryen would automatically suggest you are able to control a dragon.

Jon might have some skin change abilities but he hasn't developed them in anyway which for me means he is out of contention as well. The fact that he is actually half a Targaryen might play in his favor though but again the same as with Aegon I don't know if that automatically would enable you to be a dragon rider.
 
Where does this Euron=Daario even come from?

I don't think that Tyrion or Jon will be the riders simply because they have no ability or tool which would allow them to get near a dragon without being ripped to shreds. Dany is their mother so they have an innate respect for her be even she needs to show them who is the boss.

Bran can control almost any living being which I guess would allow him to control a dragon as well especially since there always seem to be a strong bond between skin changers and their animals.

The dragons are already used to Daario (Euron) he is fearless and someone I could see master a dragon and if he really is Euron he also possess a tool to control a dragon.

Aegon might be a possibility but I'm not even 100% sure that he is a real Tagaryen. I'm also not sure if being a real Tagaryen would automatically suggest you are able to control a dragon.

Jon might have some skin change abilities but he hasn't developed them in anyway which for me means he is out of contention as well. The fact that he is actually half a Targaryen might play in his favor though but again the same as with Aegon I don't know if that automatically would enable you to be a dragon rider.

I think you need to have Targaryen blood to be a dragon rider but Targaryen blood alone is not enough to be one. Case in point Quentyn. If it's true it immediately rules out Tyrion and Eyron.

Bran is something of a wildcard though. Him just controlling dragons sounds a bit too convenient.
 
Euron being Daario is pretty much impossible. It is probably the most unlikely theory I've ever heard.

Actually I thought this as well but the thing that for me at least lend some plausibility to the theory is that the TV-Show Daario looks much more like Euron is described. We also know that Euron has pretty much traveled the world most of his life and surrounds himself with magicians and god knows what. We know that changing once appearance fairly drastically is an art that at least the faceless men can perform without much trouble.
 
Where does this Euron=Daario even come from?



I think you need to have Targaryen blood to be a dragon rider but Targaryen blood alone is not enough to be one. Case in point Quentyn. If it's true it immediately rules out Tyrion and Eyron.

Bran is something of a wildcard though. Him just controlling dragons sounds a bit too convenient.

I think the main reason people started to speculate about this was because GRRM mentioned that there is more to Daario than one might think so of course people started to speculate that who it might be. The fact that Euron seems to be certain that Dany will actually take him as her husband than probably sparked the idea that he only could knew that because he had actually bedded her already. They than found a lot of similarities between the two characters starting from Daario being the leader of the Stormcrows and Euron being called the Crow's Eye as well as the fact that the women on the hilt of Daario's dagger are the same as the one at the prow of Euron's ship.

I first thought the theory to be pretty far fetched as well but the more I read about it made more and more sense but that's often the problem with those conspiracy theories you start to see pattern and hints where there actually are non.
 
I think the main reason people started to speculate about this was because GRRM mentioned that there is more to Daario than one might think so of course people started to speculate that who it might be. The fact that Euron seems to be certain that Dany will actually take him as her husband than probably sparked the idea that he only could knew that because he had actually bedded her already. They than found a lot of similarities between the two characters starting from Daario being the leader of the Stormcrows and Euron being called the Crow's Eye as well as the fact that the women on the hilt of Daario's dagger are the same as the one at the prow of Euron's ship.

I first thought the theory to be pretty far fetched as well but the more I read about it made more and more sense but that's often the problem with those conspiracy theories you start to see pattern and hints where there actually are non.


Ok, that's a lot more evidence than I thought there was. That said I don't see it being true. If Euron reveals he was Daario then there's no way Dany will marry him as he knows she doesn't take kindly to being betrayed (Jorah).

I think Euron is really Euron and is up to more than what meets the eye. Probably something to do with the citadel.
 
If Aegon is real, which I severely doubt, I'd love to see how it's explained.
Also, iirc in one of Dany's prophecies, she's warned to beware of the "mummer's dragon", which imo is most likely referring to Aegon being fake.
 

It could be, but one thing about the Game of Thrones is that in reality it never ends does it. I mean the power plays, not the book series. Even if at the end of seven books we have a new king or queen sitting on the Iron Throne with the Seven Kingdoms under his/her control, it is not like the power plays will end. So in theory GRRM could keep going on and on, providing he can come up with interesting characters and plot lines for them.

Reading that he refuses to write while on the road. WTF you fat bastard, take your fecking lap top with you and write. Either that or we the fans are going to have to lock him in his house and keep him there until he finishes. Who's with me?
 
If Aegon is real, which I severely doubt, I'd love to see how it's explained.
Also, iirc in one of Dany's prophecies, she's warned to beware of the "mummer's dragon", which imo is most likely referring to Aegon being fake.

I think that's a nod to Varys who was a mummer.
 
I think that's a nod to Varys who was a mummer.
That could be true, but it'd take some piece of writing to explain how Aegon escaped and Varys being able to orchestrate it.

As to chances of the 6th book next year, from the last update that was released(March I think), he was apparently not even half way through yet, so I'd say while it's possible it's not likely. But some part of me still wants to think a 2015 fall release is happening.
 
They said it's going to be 7 or 8 seasons so it's about one season a book maybe 3 season for the last two. We are in season 4 now which means that 2015 will be season 5, 2016 will be season 6, 2017 will be season 7 and 2018 will be season 8 if it exists. Which gives him about 2 more years to finish book 6 if he would only need 1 year for book 7 and doesn't mean to write an 8th book.

So the only chance he actually has of finishing the books before the TV series is if it goes for 8 seasons and he has already written half of book 7 and doesn't plan an 8th book.

Well I think the problem with what you've mentioned is it's no longer going by 1 book = 1 season. I mean a lot of the storylines that they have implemented has gone beyond just ASOS e.g. Sansa and Bran's storyline. Given how the lack of action the last 2 books were it would not be surprising if they condensed a lot AFFC and ADWD into one season which means we need book 6 for at least half of season 6.
 
If he dies, I'll bet that another writter will be chosen to finish it. I guess that it is a too big series to not have a conclusion.
Aye, and which one? This isn't Wheel of Time for Brandon Sanderson to walk in. My guess is Joe Abercrombie.


An eighth book? Hopefully not cause it might be 10 or more years until he finishes them.

Why can't all writters be like Sanderson and publish ten books for year?

Brandon Sanderson's books are highly system-centric - magic systems, societal customs, plot-lines. Characters fill in the spaces, systems take centre-stage. It's much more easier to write books like those, compared to ones where you're building 150+ characters, adding proper depth and motivation to each of them, with so many contrasting morals and mindsets.

Plus, Sanderson's young, like mentioned above. And highly disciplined and professional. Check out his lectures on fantasy writing, you'll know what I mean.
 
If he dies, I'll bet that another writter will be chosen to finish it. I guess that it is a too big series to not have a conclusion.

I believe he has already said he has done this. He's told some of his writer friends the plot arc and they have instructions (it is probably in his will) to continue and finish the series if (more like when) he kicks it. I believe one of these people responsible wrote a companion prologue type series already.
 
Aye, and which one? This isn't Wheel of Time for Brandon Sanderson to walk in. My guess is Joe Abercrombie.



Brandon Sanderson's books are highly system-centric - magic systems, societal customs, plot-lines. Characters fill in the spaces, systems take centre-stage. It's much more easier to write books like those, compared to ones where you're building 150+ characters, adding proper depth and motivation to each of them, with so many contrasting morals and mindsets.

Plus, Sanderson's young, like mentioned above. And highly disciplined and professional. Check out his lectures on fantasy writing, you'll know what I mean.

I've read The First Law, and while I found it entertaining, there was just something... off about it. A bit too much plot convenience.

Brandon Sanderson is definitely big on magic systems and societies, though he's finally on his way with the epic fantasy he was planning to write for so long. Keep in mind that the likes of Robert Jordan and GRRM also wrote large-ish quantities of smaller, quicker stuff when they were younger. GRRM in particular has an absolutely incredibly large collection of "other stuff".
 
I believe he has already said he has done this. He's told some of his writer friends the plot arc and they have instructions (it is probably in his will) to continue and finish the series if (more like when) he kicks it. I believe one of these people responsible wrote a companion prologue type series already.

Links? Names?

I've read The First Law, and while I found it entertaining, there was just something... off about it. A bit too much plot convenience.

On the contrary, I thought the plotline was what made it interesting. He kills off key characters, likes his explicit scenes, favours complex multiple characters and is really good at them and, most importantly, favours the dog-eat-dog philosophy like GRRM - the weak beetles are always crushed. But anyway, that's my opinion.

Brandon Sanderson is definitely big on magic systems and societies, though he's finally on his way with the epic fantasy he was planning to write for so long. Keep in mind that the likes of Robert Jordan and GRRM also wrote large-ish quantities of smaller, quicker stuff when they were younger. GRRM in particular has an absolutely incredibly large collection of "other stuff".

The point I was trying to make is, Brandon Sanderson's style is completely different from that of GRRM's, so I find it hard to see him finishing the series. Sanderson's books have happy endings, where all the main characters survive and fulfill their destinies. Plotlines are artificially made to converge by clever tricks (magic systems again) and there is very little, if any, symbolism or depth involved. And both of us know that's exactly opposite to how GRRM works.

I was looking at someone who has a history of writing stuff similar to GOT. Joe Abercrombie tops the list. After that, I'd go for David Durham (Acacia) or Ken Scholes (Psalms of Isaak) or even Patrick Rothfuss. But Sanderson, IMO, is not the man for the job.
 
Well I think the problem with what you've mentioned is it's no longer going by 1 book = 1 season. I mean a lot of the storylines that they have implemented has gone beyond just ASOS e.g. Sansa and Bran's storyline. Given how the lack of action the last 2 books were it would not be surprising if they condensed a lot AFFC and ADWD into one season which means we need book 6 for at least half of season 6.

Pretty sure they won't do that. They showed they are not afraid to change the story and will probably fill some of the stuff in the next two books with content they have created themselves. They of course also won't follow the split that GRRM has fro those two books but will most likely conect the timelines, flash out those of their main characters and throw a few minor character story lines out of the window. I also don't feel that there was a lack of action in book 4 and 5 but it felt weird due to the fact that we got one half first and the other half after that which made it feel really strange.

If they need an additional season they have already said they might extend it to season 8 but I guess from now on the deviations from the book will be increase even more than they already have.
 
Links? Names?



On the contrary, I thought the plotline was what made it interesting. He kills off key characters, likes his explicit scenes, favours complex multiple characters and is really good at them and, most importantly, favours the dog-eat-dog philosophy like GRRM - the weak beetles are always crushed. But anyway, that's my opinion.



The point I was trying to make is, Brandon Sanderson's style is completely different from that of GRRM's, so I find it hard to see him finishing the series. Sanderson's books have happy endings, where all the main characters survive and fulfill their destinies. Plotlines are artificially made to converge by clever tricks (magic systems again) and there is very little, if any, symbolism or depth involved. And both of us know that's exactly opposite to how GRRM works.

I was looking at someone who has a history of writing stuff similar to GOT. Joe Abercrombie tops the list. After that, I'd go for David Durham (Acacia) or Ken Scholes (Psalms of Isaak) or even Patrick Rothfuss. But Sanderson, IMO, is not the man for the job.

He might have a similar style, but Abercrombie is far from as good a writer as GRRM. I didn't mean by plot convenience that he doesn't kill off his characters. On the contrary. Sometimes I felt ridiculous and unlikely things were made to happen simply so someone could do this thing, or say this clever thing. It was all a bit too obvious. And it seemed like much too often there was a formula of "people think x will happen, y would be the worst case scenario, y will happen." Particularly when it came to things like armies.

I don't think GRRM will need anyone to finish his series, though.