This is a rumour that is picking up some momentum now in Spain
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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This is a rumour that is picking up some momentum now in Spain
I have to agree. Some of the replies in this thread are embarrassing. Poch is a very good manager and has Tottenham playing very good football. Considering what he did with Southhampton and the resources of Tottenham compared to the other Top 6 clubs, I think it's safe to say he's overachieved as a manager.
The "XYZ manager isn't good because he hasn't won anything yet" claims are nothing more than lazy arguments that show a lack of critical thinking.
My personal favorite:
Poch worse than a coach sacked less than a year after winning the league? Surely a wind-up.
Griezmann for feck's sake? Kane is head and shoulders above him.
You seriously under-rate Kane's standing in the game - but then I suppose that suits your argument as to why Mourinho went for Lukaku and not Kane (and your refusal to accept it was because he knew Kane was a no-go).
What's the rag running with it?? Can I just point out Poch had left Southampton before Toby even signed for them
.Pochettino will get a bigger warchest, not less. This is because (a) Spurs have "pre-loaded" much of their transfer austerity over the last several years, saving up with the new stadium in mind; and (b) the income increase from the new stadium is going to be huge for Spurs. These two factors will more than offset debt repayment requirements.
Lol ...
An inability to win things with a superior core of players and funds to Leicester and a shocking overall record vs top 6 rivals is what calls into question how good he really is.
He most certainly isn't. There are a number strikers in Europe who are as good or better than Kane and Griezmann is currently one of them.
I most certainly do not.
I just dont happen to think the striking position in world football rises and sets with Kane just because he is s Spurs player. You are the type who just last season was telling us your Dembele is "head and shoulders above Pogb'....
Its has nothing to do with suiting I don't have to "accept" fanboish nonsense. Its an utter no brainer having to choose between signing Lukaku/Morata plus Griezmann to replace the injured Zlatan to signing just Kane for the type of ludicrous fee that would convince Spurs to part with him. Your kind of argument wpuld hold water if a United or City were in desperate need of a strictly a world class 9 and chase after everyone but Kane.
Isn’t the stadium going to cost them somewhere around £800m though. Even if they spent less the past several years there will still be a period of time where paying off that stadium will take precedence. You also have to factor in how low Spurs’ pay scale is and I think they are going to be in trouble in the next few years when Poch leaves and the better players go after bigger contracts. I’d expect Spurs to fall back down to mid table quality when Poch leaves.
Arsenal were happy to take on debt and were prepared to pay it off, they knew it would be difficult. What they didn't plan for was the eventuality of Chelsea and Manchester City becoming financial forces and broadcasting money going through the roof. The first couple of years at the Emirates definitely took its toll on Wenger, but he has in no way damaged his legacy. Especially when you consider he effectively paid off the stadium bonds through transfers whilst getting into the Champions League -- which was a big deal at the time. Premier League money now negates the need for that.
So it'll be interesting to see what Spurs do in the first couple of years. What works to Pochettino's advantage is unlike Wenger he has someone to take care of the finance side of things (Levy) so he can concentrate on the first team.
Name them.
Going to Real now would be a mistake. He should try to win something tangible at Spurs before jumping into a role where expectations are astronomical. I get the feeling, though, that he has a somewhat inflated view of himself and would jump at the chance.
How? It in fact leaves him without excuse. Why do you think a Wenger nowadays, for example is a figure of ridicule?
You're ignorant about your own history. We have players decorated more than your club. Me saying know your place wasn't meant as an insult or anything like that. You want to be a big club? Have "history"? Try winning something at least once in a decade. United won two trophies last season and finished sixth. Who do you think will be remembered in history a decade or two from now, United winning a few cups in a crisis post the greatest manager in the history of the sport, or Spurs winning their fantasy "in the CL and few times above United" cups?
Ty, seriously? Did i ever say our CBs are top5 in the league? I said i wouldn't have him over any of our CBs. It's my opinion and if you don't like it don't read or comment it. It's a messaging board, we're supposed to exchange opinions.
Yes worse. Ranieri won the league. With Leicester. Leicester.
Griezmann, Icardi, Suarez, Lewandowski, Higuain, Dybala ...Need more?
So namely because they’ve won Something Brendan Rodgers,Martinez, DiMateo,Laudraup are all now qualified or good enough to manage the top teams?
Also no way is Griezman currently better than Kane. That’s just madness.
He deserves a chance at a top club - hes proven hes got some real skills as a manager. Unfortunately for him, its his lack of trophies thats a black mark. But then you look at teams hes managed and theyre not necessarily expected to win trophies. Hes improved spurs so much and expectations are high for them now.
He would be perfect for real madrid and even bayern munich
He would be perfect for real madrid and even bayern munich
I'd take Kane over all of them bar Lewandowski. I don't class Dybala as a striker so it's not like for like.
This really is the wrong view. Big jobs, and the biggest jobs like Madrid, don’t come around too often so when you get the opportunity you probably should jump at it. It may go spectacularly bad but the right call is taking the opportunity especially since he’ll still get another job regardless of how he does at Madrid.
I don't think Pochettino will command respect from Madrid's players at least initially. Did not win anything big in Europe as a player (unlike Zidane). Has not won a trophy yet as a manager. Notorious for making players work extra hard in trainings. Known for getting rid of divas, non-conformers, and bad influences on the team (Raul Tamudo, Capoue, Townsend, etc). I don't think that he is a good fit for Real Madrid.
You are free to want Kane over them. The fact is a number of them are either as good or better than Kane. Yet I havent even mentioned Aubameyang, Diego Costa nor Cavani. Nor Aguero when he is at his best. Nor the two top dogs of goal letting.
Kane is fantastic. But no one should pretend he is an undisputed number one
Rather they have shown there is no excuse for not winning trophies at the top level if you are to be considered a top tier manager. If you are not winning things at any level, why in this day and age would a top club give you a chance? Especially after witnessing the Moyes and United mess?
Frankly unless you are already a legend at a big club, sans having a winning cv I cant see them hiring you 9/10 times.
Madness you say? Its madness to say a player whose goals and performances have taken his nation and club to the brink of winning continental honors, whilst competing against sides with superior pedigree and talent, that got him a balon dor podium nod is better than or as good as Kane? And you expect to be taken seriously?
Ok if there were only two choices for the job at United and it was Brendan Rodgers and Pochetinho who would you go for?
Also have you watched Griezman this year, also no way should he have gotten 3rd in the Balon Dor and he is a long way off that form now. Right now Kane is the far superior player.
Real job is a poisonous job. He should stay at spurs , win some trophies and prove his doubters wrong eventually taking over from Mourinho in 3-4 years 
Correction, Kane is right now the more in form player.
As for Rodgers or Pochetino, Id frankly pick neither. Both have won nothing at the highest level. Yet Poch is clearly better than Rodgers and if forced Id take him.
Besides, the argument isnt just about merely winning things. Or Id be making claims like Frank De Boer > Pochetino. Yet his last two jobs after winning things at an Ajax were a disaster. The main thing is getting noticed at a lower level for either disrupting the dominance of a major player in a top 5 league with a smaller team, plus making a huge impact with that size of team on a continental level at the same time. Simeone for example has been at a club of a smaller financial stature than Spurs, yet look at his record. A record like his is what should earn you a shout for any big job.
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Alderweireld is better than what we have currently and is the best CB in the league.
Hypothetical question. Would Spurs be where they are now ( position and playing style) without Kane? what does that say about Poch?
Anyways, this thread has suddenly turned from Poch being a good manager to who is the best striker in the world currently!
Anyways, this thread has suddenly turned from Poch being a good manager to who is the best striker in the world currently!
So Just cop out then? One has won stuff and the other hasn’t but you’ve to choose one, which one would you go for? How about DiMateo who has a champions league trophy to his name or Poch. For the long term security of your club and the one you think would get the best results which one are you choosing?
Also I’m not even sure if at his best Griezman is better than Kane, it’s probably pretty close. So you corrected yourself then?
Kane is clearly better than the bolded. You're just putting every good striker above him to prove a non-existent point.
Smalling and Rojo better than Alderweireld? FFS
What? Why does Leicester winning the league only apply to Poch? 5 other top 6 managers also lost to Leicester. Also it's intellectually dishonest to only focus on his record vs the top 6. There is no top 6 trophy that I know of and given that Spurs have the least resources out of the top 6 their record isn't surprising.
I'm not Spurs fan, but some of the logic in this thread is looney tunes.
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Cope out my foot. If you imagine Griezmann's current form is his true level as a player you are seriously deluded.
Did you see me hailing the likes of Laudrup for top jobs just because they won a mere trophy at the highest level?
Ive stated repeatedly rather that you have no excuse to not win a trophy if you are doing a good job at any given club. Especially when people are claiming you are top tier managerial talent. If Di Matteo, Martinez and Ranieri can pull rabbits out of a hat. Poch has no excuse. Especially if as a fan of his you think he is worthy of a top tier job.
Poch is fine manager talent with top potential. But currently he is getting a tad overrated. And Im a big fan of his in spite of my harsh critique of him in here
No. Griezmann > Kane to me still
Based in what? Stop letting fanboish sentiment cloud your judgement
Rather I'm simply disproving your type of fanboish nonsense.
Er what? Earlier I even stated Wenger had become a figure of ridicule after Ranieri won the league with a Leciester. For lack of resources is no longer an excuse. So how does that translate into only applying to Pochetino?
What a joke excuse. Its the likes of you trying to ram it down our throats that Pochetino is special. If he is, his record vs top 6 rivals should be better than it is. Resources are irrelevant.
Its for that reason of late even a Mourinho, with his insane record in the game, has been heavily slammed in the media and football circles for his recent performances vs top 6 teams
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Jones and Bailly are very good, but i agree Alderweireld is the best in the league, and would improve any team in Europe. That’s why his £50k a week is laughable - no wonder he’s weighing up his options. Levy should pay his key men properly.
Spurs deserve a lot of credit, nobody can do-down the morality or commendable work done there in recent times - but the point people are making is he has created a very talented squad, yet other coaches have won with less.
His squad is better than the ones of Leicester and Chelsea that have won the past two titles, or the FA Cup winning ones of Wenger and Van Gaal - yet he’s not been able to win anything. Naturally, that raises questions about his capacity to succeed.
I don't work for the FBI but maybe beacuse we're in the "lets look at Poch" thread?
Took a few good years to built a stadium, and the loan repayment would take 5-10 years, business side will lag behind 5 years at least.
Unless he does a wenger or a fergie he wont enjoy the benefits of it
Exactly my point.. Pochetinno won't be the guy fully enjoy it, the next manager or the next after is the one who'll enjoy it the most.
People think that he's going to be excited with the future of spurs, while perhaps the bridge is too far for pochetinno
When does 'player in good form' turn into 'high quality player' for you? Three seasons of 'good form' clearly isn't enough? Four seasons? Five? Never?
Well, I guess that's an alternative view.
My view is I he isn't ready for such a big job and his chances of success in the job would be higher if he could develop a little more in a relatively low pressure job. Winning a trophy would:
1. Allow him to develop his skills a little bit further, including how to get his team over the line;
2. Convince the doubters and buy him some kudos, which, should things not go well immediately, would would buy him some time.
Don't confuse issues here. I'm simply in disagreement with any claim that Kane > Griezmann based on this season's form. For Griezmann at his best has produced a level of performance and impact Kane is still to reach and Griez has not been close to his best this term.
That is entirely different matter to saying whether Kane is or isn't a high quality player.
For me he has had three seasons of top draw performances now and is still going. That qualifies in my book any footballer into the high quality player bracket. Im not sure why you'd imagine Id want to say otherwise.
What an embarrassing post. Know your place? You sound pathetic and extremely ignorant.