I'll start with the 15th most likely club (and bigger club).....that he'd leave spurs for....LA Galaxy....
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I'll start with the 15th most likely club (and bigger club).....that he'd leave spurs for....LA Galaxy....
Sure he hasn't won anything, why would anyone want him?
But, but, but ... Pogba has a Serie A winners medal, so surely he'd stroll into the Spurs midfield?
Well there we go, a complete muppet response.
In fairness they like to win things so its touch and go whether he'd be on their radar......
Keep going, ur lack of football intelligence tells me a lot. You fit the "glory hunting" pigeon hole very well. I've said for a long time there are football fans and football club fans, you for the latter.
And despite all those superior players and superior manager Spurs sit below Utd for some reason.
All you've really done is use cliche's which can be deconstructed quite easily.
Pochettino plays a high line/high press or deep line depending on the game. For example he played a deep line vs Liverpool. He is not dogmatic in his approach. Both managers encourage players to switch positions, Mata and Lingard are clear examples, and you will find many games where the LW and RW switch positions during the game.
Characterizing Pochettino as a manager that tries to 'keep possession at all cost' is just wrong. He employs different strategies for different games, sometimes he tries to keep possession, other games he doesnt.
Wow ... a whole 4 points with 8 games to go (never mind the league table last season or the season before that). And United dumped out of the CL at the same stage as Spurs despite facing a far easier route through both the group stages and beyond.
Glaston sets himself up all the time.
Well surely that supports my point then that you’ve been a selling club forever lol? I agree Spurs have a great squad of players right now and some cracking players I’d have like Kane Ereckson Dier Sanchez Rose Dembele and Vertongen I’d take straight away (Alli and Lloris not my favourites and both way over rated imo) although of course everyone and there dog would take Alli. So that’s a comfortable 8 I’d find a place in our squad for and that’s before arguing about other players like Wanyama Son Trippier etc yet remind me again we are how many points above your lot? Glaston winding up aside surely Poch has to be held over his poor season then? Because Jose is getting pelters yet if he finishes above you guys, what does that say about Poch season. FA cup is going to be interesting if Spurs fail to win it then questions must be asked of Poch (Wenger has won more and he’s considered gone) thinking a bit of emperor clothes and that with Poch.
And my question to you Glaston is where do you see Spurs improving purchase wise this summer? Just at United we have obvious needs in the 11 and when we buy better quality (look at our 11) we’ll improve massively. Yet I look at Spurs and think it’s going to be improvement as a squad from inside as they will struggle to attract real star quality. Is there any rumours of a Bale return to the new stadium or anything like that on the cards?
Better players? Check.
Better manager? Check.
Higher in the table? Nope.
Erm, something is wrong officer!!
Ok let’s name them:
Juventus definitely
Inter probably
Ac Milan depends budget and project
Napoli doubtful so no
Bayern Yep
Real Madrid yep
Barcelona yep
Athletico M yep
PSG yep
United yep
City yep
Chelsea controversial but possible
So I’d say roughly 10 possibilities just my take and I don’t know Poch to ask him.
Hold the boat lol that was the criteria United were getting called a selling club by you because we sold Ronaldo and (nearly) DDG to Madrid. Make your mind up? Right calm down I’m only joking I know most English clubs are that cash rich right now and with our wages sky rocketing no club in England will be considered a selling club unless they have a low wage structure..... hang on is this not Spurs right now?? Time will tell if Levy moves your top stars on or pays the going rate in wages. I think this time Spurs will up there salaries.
He is fast approaching the time when he needs a trophy, any trophy. There’s a danger he will be seen as a bit of a bridesmaid of a manager because he’s had and still got some real talent at his disposal.
No chance in hell for Pochettino to become manager of Barcelona.. or Arsenal for that matter (thats his own words).. All other options are possible though. PSG job looks most likely his next destination imo.
I find this a bit strange to be honest. People have really gotten it into their heads that our players are paupers who are underpaid.
Tottenham have the 12th highest wage bill in the world. We are also the 12th highest club in terms of turnover. We are pretty much on par with how we pay our wages and are growing in a sustainable way. I do not want to become a Leeds/ Villa/ Newcastle etc etc.
The problem of course is that 5 of the 11 clubs who pay more are in the same league (and 3 of them have literally double our turnover). That is what distorts things and frankly that isn't something we're going to be able to change any time soon, barring a takeover. If we do manage to close the gap, it will take years.
So when (obviously all according to media) we offer Alderweirald somewhere between 110-120K as a base wage, it obviously seems small compared to the alleged 180K Van Dijk is receiving. But it would be more than all of Barca's defenders for example, except Pique (and Mascherano before he was released). It would make him the 3rd or 4th highest paid player overall at Atletico and would make him higher paid than again all of Real's defenders other than Ramos. It would in essence make him one of the highest paid defenders in the world. Only problem is that those who are paid more than him are either elite defenders at elite clubs....or in the premier league, where wages have gone insane.
We're definitely upping our salaries and I'm almost 100% certain Kane will soon become the highest paid player in our history (probably by quite some distance too). But in reality, there isn't too much we can do in terms of wages. If playes want to leave because they feel they can earn more elsewhere, that is fair enough but I don't want to play with the future of the club for potential short term gain to be honest.
Spurs have no recent history of keeping their best players and a manager and being successful. They are doing well right now to have built the team with the resources they have and I do enjoy watching them when they play well. I do however think we are approaching that moment in the next 18 months where key people will leave and the next transition and rebuilding phase will begin. Unlike the top top clubs, Spurs can't attract the world class managers and world class players, at this point in their history they are capable of moulding of world class talent. When the current crop go there is a risk off a drop off that they can't financially plug the holes with. Unless they get in some sugar daddy ala City, PSG this won't change anytime soon.
Pochettino is key to how they will do and who they hold onto and I would be very surprised if he isn't managing a real top club by 2020.
Pochettino is key to how they will do and who they hold onto and I would be very surprised if he isn't managing a real top club by 2020.
Utd have been above Spurs all season long. I’m not sure what the season before last has to do with our current manager. Given Spurs were knocked out of Europe by Gent last season I wouldn’t be so quick to assume you would’ve beaten Sevilla either. That’s not to say Utd weren’t abysmal against them.
It partly depends on whether or Alderweireld signs a new contract. If he doesn't then we'll be in the market for a good CB even if we keep Alderweireld for another season.
Likewise, if Rose wants to leave then we'll need another wingback (unless Pochettino decides that Walker-Peters is up to the mark in terms of covering for Davies) - Tierney or Sessegnon would be good.
Beyond that, we'll need another striker because I think Llorente will be moved on and Janssen (out on loan currently) sold.
In addition we could do with another CM to start competing with Dembele for a starting slot, since Dembele will turn 31 this summer. And this I think might be Levy's marquee signing - because I expect he's planning one to make a statement as we move into our new stadium.
There are always one or two Bale rumours re. Spurs, but I don't see it happening because of the massive wages he's on at RM.
The only realistic possibilities from these are Juve, Bayern, United, City and Real Madrid - that's 5 clubs (he won't go to the one-horse French League). And you can rule out City, because they have Pep.
That leaves 4 clubs.
It pains me to agree with Glaston but id say about 4, maybe 5 clubs. Inter? Maybe 10 years ago. PSG? Doubtful due to the league mostly. Athletico, this one I would say is a maybe, but are they that much of a step up from Spurs? City have Pep and given how they are going in the league im sure are quite happy with their manager. Chelsea? Again are they that much better than Spurs? Is it such a big step up? More spending money but a lot more drama and a sacking just around the corner.
Barca and Arsenal no chance, I get the feeling after seeing an interview with Pochettino he takes the whole football rivalry for opposing derby teams very seriously. Given he is an Espanyol man that rules our Barca and because he is Spurs rules out Arsenal.
That leaves Juventus, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich.
Barca and Arsenal no chance, I get the feeling after seeing an interview with Pochettino he takes the whole football rivalry for opposing derby teams very seriously. Given he is an Espanyol man that rules our Barca and because he is Spurs rules out Arsenal.
That leaves Juventus, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich.
The fact that people are expecting trophies from Spurs alone is testament to Pochettino's incredible job. He's turned Spurs into a top teams where trophies are expected from them. Who'd have thought that Spurs would be in a conversation with other top teams expected to win trophies just a few years ago?.
No one is saying these guys are underpaid I agree but my point that you so eloquently have explained (great post) to summarise is unless Spurs up wages for their top players then these guys are going to likely want to leave. If Spurs are happy with that then that to me epitomises a selling club. And nothing wrong with that as you say look at Leeds, Portsmouth etc.
Yeah I see the areas you can replace but to actually improve on the 11 is going to be a tough ask in my opinion. Tierny if you sign him you have won a watch as this kid is brilliant and will be the best left back in Britain soon. Robertson for Liverpool is not half the player if that is to judge where he’s at.
Yeah Llorente replacement like Forsberg or that profile would be good as I think a season with Kane (he may leave the following if Real or Barca or even City (money) swoop) would be beneficial to cover all bases.
For Dembele I’d drop Alli back a position as I really think he’s being wasted as a ten. Yes he gets goals and assists (most would in this Spurs team) but never really saw him play really well for a long time.
So as I have said to you guys I think you’re really going to struggle to recruit to improve your 11 right now so if players leave surely the standard drops unless you improve as a team. Where at United we have the opposite problem as in we have a lot of deadwood that needs upgrading in a very lopsided unbalanced squad.
We have around about 10 players that have contributed next to zero this season; Zlatan Rojo (injury) Herrera Blind Shaw Darmain Carrick Lindelof Fellaini.
When Jose gets rid of them and brings in replacements (Jose likes to spend big on quality) we will improve just by recruiting and then hopefully more balance and cohesion from players who are actually available every week to be selected.
At this moment sure but that’s not what we are talking about. If these clubs make a serious approach. I can’t see him not considering these clubs afore mentioned it’s ludicrous to think otherwise.
How is Poch being considered for the highest profile jobs in football (Real, Bayern, United, Barca etc) when the guy has achieved nothing within the game that would even remotely suggest he is ready for big league management. The guy is clearly skilled in his job, no doubt about it, under his leadership Spurs have elevated themselves from a top 6 side to a relatively secure top 4 side.
Congratulations, Mr Pochettino, your pat on the back is in the mail, oh, you wanted a medal too? Well I'm afraid you will have to earn that by way of achieving something significant within the game, such as a league title, an FA Cup, even a freaking League Cup would be more noteworthy than your current list of acomplishments.
Rather than watching on helplessly as his team bottle it at the finish line again and again, he needs to prove he has what it takes to manage a big club with ambitions beyond securing top 4 status. He needs to win something.
Congratulations, Mr Pochettino, your pat on the back is in the mail, oh, you wanted a medal too? Well I'm afraid you will have to earn that by way of achieving something significant within the game, such as a league title, an FA Cup, even a freaking League Cup would be more noteworthy than your current list of acomplishments.
Rather than watching on helplessly as his team bottle it at the finish line again and again, he needs to prove he has what it takes to manage a big club with ambitions beyond securing top 4 status. He needs to win something.
Been off here for a week or so... what have I missed?
It seems Spurs are flying in second the way Glaston is going on
P.s, Yes I'd still want Poch
It seems Spurs are flying in second the way Glaston is going on
P.s, Yes I'd still want Poch
I think that is the unfortunately reality tbh.
We currently can't pay the top wages. We're trying to get there but currently, nope. And while that is the case, it means players will leave.
The Emir of Kuwait buys us tomorrow and we'll suddenly find Spurs have much more 'bottle', much more 'winning mentality' and are much less of a selling club.
Money has a funny way of impacting on these things.
If Zidane wins the CL again, which looks probable, will Real drop interest in Poch?
I think that is the unfortunately reality tbh.
We currently can't pay the top wages. We're trying to get there but currently, nope. And while that is the case, it means players will leave.
The Emir of Kuwait buys us tomorrow and we'll suddenly find Spurs have much more 'bottle', much more 'winning mentality' and are much less of a selling club.
Money has a funny way of impacting on these things.
Your new stadium will increase your finances and allow you to increase wages though. You should be able to offer competitive wages as Levy will understand that you're making real progress under Pochettino and he won't want him to leave because you start selling his team. It's in your interest to keep him happy and that means paying your top players the wages they deserve.
You're right, I'm sure the wages will go up once we move into the new stadium.
I don't think they'll be Man Utd/ City/ Chelsea levels just yet but potentially approaching the kind of wages Liverpool and Arsenal can offer, which should be good and hopefully help with retention.
I don't think there's too much between you, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea financially. Although I believe you still have debts to pay off which i'm not sure the others have so you're probably a bit behind.
I think you'll find your players will be happier with contracts of that tier. Granted you might get the occasional player unhappy he's not being paid the highest amount, but at the same time you're a club on up, playing great football and moving forward. Players with ambition like Kane / Eriksen can see that and why they've not been pushing for moves away imo.
Isn't this the wrong thread for this discussion?
Maybe, although Pochettino will want a decent wage himself and he'll also be wanting his players to stay and that means increase in wages. I think it's just about ontopic
Don't talk facts on this forum.
You need to say things like, "we need to hire Poch, because he can win the league for us".
Or that Jose and our players are crap and need replacing.
One of the reasons is Wembley. We had to play "home" games in unfamiliar grounds this season. Dropped points and didn't really get going at "home" until mid-November.
This was certainly a factor but then should not be made an excuse to be fair. Also I think there has been a drop off in a couple key positions and players (right back, left back and centre back) plus Alli has dipped from last years very high standards.
By caf logic must be poor coaching.
I tend to think when you have plenty of players in very good form and still not competing its a damning towards a manager as form goes both ways.
When you're a team going through the motions, not really playing your best and still winning thats when you know a winner.
Just a question, can we sign him if he's under contract?
Sure. Happens all the time. You will have to (1) turn his head and (2) pay the Daniel Levy's tax.