Yeah he's comparable to Jose......
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Yeah he's comparable to Jose......
It's not really a question of comparison. It's simply that Pochettino fits with Spurs and Mourinho doesn't.
Sky and Sportbild saying that Pochettino is being discussed as possible Heynckes successor.
Honestly cant see it happening this summer anyway, I love how media write such leading headlines "discussed as possible" how many others are being discussed.
Would you want him?
Could really do with winning the FA cup this year. Going trophyless for 3 years with a top 3 team in the league doesn't look too promising
A little harsh on him there, as a club he has us punching well aboove our weight, I really don't get how this goes unnoticed, but yeah I would like us to get the FA Cup this year.
Really does make the semi a huge game. With Chelsea stuttering whoever wins would be considered favourite for the final, and both sides really need a trophy. Pochettino for the above, Jose to ease the pressure that has built in last couple of weeks.
I agree, people here are using his good work as a stick to beat him with.
Yeah they have to be considered favourites to win the FA Cup, failure to do so would be another blow for Pochettino. It's their home ground and they've already dismantled United there this season. And this season you'd regard them as a better team then Chelsea or Southampton.
If he wins the FA cup it will be "well he needs to win the league" its just how football is.
As a club yeah, but not as a team.
I don't quite get this - in half the threads i see you guys talk about how Kane is the best striker in the world, Eriksen and Alli are some of the best CAMs around, Dembele a great CM, the CBs among the best in the world.
So if that's true and Poch should have enough to win something with them.
Yes ofc we should be good enough to win something no one is denying that, I am certainly not. The problem is domestically other teams are very good too not everyone can be a winner. I certainly wouldn't say Alli is the best CAM around. I want us to win something but I am not going to be Poch out if he doesn't this season.
It is so funny how opinions change, at the start of this season we were supposedly gonna bomb out of everything early doors due to Wembley and our lack of depth. Now some United fans want the game moved and our team is wonderful.
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I don't follow Spurs enough to be able to tell.
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Who would you want, and who is available, please take Klopp just for the meltdown.
Well, right now there's a bigger chance that one of the other 3 teams win than Spurs. Spurs might be the strongest team, but because of the draw Chelsea are slight favourites since they only need to beat one top 5 team. If we play well, but get unlucky against either United and Chelsea, can you blame Poch? If we set up badly or play badly then that's different, but against experienced managers and expensive squads like Chelsea and United, many things can happen.
Last season Spurs finished on 86 points. He has faults, who doesn't, and until this season I think his big game management was a weak point, but this season he has been a lot better here too. The Spurs team play like a well drilled unit, but that doesn't mean they should be expected to win when many teams are competing.
Well it's quite obviously not true. Not to mention that they have almost no depth outside their first eleven I feel Poch got them punching well above their weight.
I don't know why Pochettino consistently gets shit on by United fans for his lack of trophies. It's still incredibly early in his managerial career to hold something like that against him, and of all the teams he's managed there isn't really one where you'd have expected him to have won them so it's a bit of a moot point anyway.
What is undeniable is that Pochettino plays an attractive style and everywhere he has gone and made that team much stronger while working with what he's given. At Southampton he did it and took them to their joint-best Premier League finish at the time and a record points total. Again at Spurs he's given them two of their best Premier League seasons and is beginning to solidify their status as a Champions League club. Those aren't things you can achieve without being a very good manager and it's unfair to underplay that because of the asterisk over his head of not winning a trophy. I honestly believe he's demonstrated more traits I'd expect of a Manchester United manager in the last 5 years than Jose Mourinho has in the same period.
What is undeniable is that Pochettino plays an attractive style and everywhere he has gone and made that team much stronger while working with what he's given. At Southampton he did it and took them to their joint-best Premier League finish at the time and a record points total. Again at Spurs he's given them two of their best Premier League seasons and is beginning to solidify their status as a Champions League club. Those aren't things you can achieve without being a very good manager and it's unfair to underplay that because of the asterisk over his head of not winning a trophy. I honestly believe he's demonstrated more traits I'd expect of a Manchester United manager in the last 5 years than Jose Mourinho has in the same period.
That's not true. Here is our 2nd XI (in my view):
------------ Vorm
Aurier - Dier - Sanchez - Davies
------ Wanyama - Winks
Sissoko - Lamela - Moura
---------- Llorente
That XI would give many a Prem team a run for their money.
Why not. He’s younger than Ancelotti while showing less of the stubbornness of Guardiola. He might also get along better with the way Bayern is run since he has got quite a bit of Lewy experience.
Since when is Dire second team. Also the front 4 are barely midtable team players, granted Moura might not yet have a chance to show what he is capable off but the rest can't really replace anyone in your attack right now.
German newspaper Bild said Bayern Munich tried to get Poch as new coach on next season but the chances are bad. I do think if United want to sign Poch as our next coach, he must left to other country first. Levy won't letting us get him even we pay his contract.
Dier normally plays as DM, but if neither of our first XI CBs were available then he'd shift to CB, with Wanyama playing as DM instead.
I agree that it's too early to really comment on Moura, but I don't agree about Lamela ... in my view he's a quality player and it's a toss-up whether he'd equally well fit in with a first XI.
Sissoko and Llorente I'll grant you, but that's just 2 players out of XI.
Overall I think my 2nd XI line-up shows that Spurs have decent squad depth.
Agreed on Lamela he looks like a new signing since his return, really really good. His eye for a through ball and tenacity is great, just wish he would score more of the goals he did at Roma.
Well, exactly, I would hope someone like Pochettino is at the very least being 'discussed' by our board while we're looking for a new coach lol.
However, both SportBild and Didi Hamann claim we have contacted him to sound him out, so there might be a bit more to it than just discussing.
Good manager, but it's not going to happen now, from both sides.
We have other candidates who are promising, and Pochettino also surely has a couple of interesting options, should he want to leave at all.
How does it work with managers, does Levy have to "ok" any discussions? Maybe a silly question, Poch doesn't have an agent.
No idea if there are formal restrictions like there are with players.
Pochettino will be well out of there soon.
Players will be leaving this summer, Alderweireld situation looks strikingly similar to Kyle Walker's last year. I also have a sneaky suspicion they'll finish 5th this season. I can see a late Chelsea run.
Pochettino will rightly get a big job soon, but the pressure will be on. My predicition he won't do that well at a club with big ego's. He works his players very, very hard. I can't see Real Madrid's or PSG's current team fitting his style. Nor ours. I'd be very worried if we dumped Mourinho for him. Although I'm a Mourinho fan so I'm biased in that regard.
Players will be leaving this summer, Alderweireld situation looks strikingly similar to Kyle Walker's last year. I also have a sneaky suspicion they'll finish 5th this season. I can see a late Chelsea run.
Pochettino will rightly get a big job soon, but the pressure will be on. My predicition he won't do that well at a club with big ego's. He works his players very, very hard. I can't see Real Madrid's or PSG's current team fitting his style. Nor ours. I'd be very worried if we dumped Mourinho for him. Although I'm a Mourinho fan so I'm biased in that regard.
If he wins the FA cup it will be "well he needs to win the league" its just how football is.
It's more that he has to win trophies surely? No one will expect Poch to win the PL next season but the domestic cups are where I thought they might have had some success over the last few years.
Virtually no-one expects Spurs to win the league; City are favourites and United and Chelsea are outsiders. Spurs best chance to win the league was when Leicester won it, because all the big money teams under performed. Winning the league is almost always about investing in the team, so you have the squad depth to last the season.
However, winning a cup is a completely different prospect. knockout games are equalizers; because it is generally whoever performs on the day. Spurs fans will know full well, since they have been knocked out of cups by inferior teams a few times in recent years.
While I agree, football has turned into just winning silverware, it's more a constant need to get top 4. Look at Leicester, or even Blackburn. Winning the league didn't mean they could sustain competing with the best. Even random cup wins for teams in the long term means nothing going forward. There needs to be more of a progressive plan.
Mourinho can retire tomorrow, while poch takes united or barca or bayern or any team in the world and he'll still wont be able to replicate mourinho trophy cabinet.
8 league titles and 2 european champions league inc.1 treble.
Pochetinno will have a remarkable career if he won half of what mourinho won.
8 league titles and 2 european champions league inc.1 treble.
Pochetinno will have a remarkable career if he won half of what mourinho won.
So he should retire now? I don't get your point really. Unless ur an elite team manager with an open cheque book ur unimportant? Horseshit.
I think he's more saying that Poch shouldn't be compared to the likes of Mou, Pep, Fergie etc who have won an extrordonariy amount of trophies in their careers. If Poch can either win titles with Spurs or move to another club and win titles and a champions league or two then he will be seen as a highly successful manager; even if he never manages to recreate the influence of the managers I mentioned.
You never know tbh. Obviously it would be some achievement for him to do so, but for instance Zidane won quite a lot in a short space of time at Madrid, and Poch does have the talent to pull it off, we just don't know if he has the final edge to become a winner yet.
Who's comparing them? Jose is arguably the most successful club manager in the world still managing. But as always his success needs to be measured and reviewed. I hate the elitism in football, Pepe and Jose are successful at the biggest clubs in the country with massive funds to spend, does that make the the best managers? Believe it or not, there is football outside the elite lol, dare I say it where foootball isn't simply about who wins the most.
When I say I wouldn't want Jose at Spurs I'm not saying it because he isn't a good manager I'm saying it because it would be an absolute disaster. He would fail and tell absolutely everyone why. Again Jose is a good manager when he has what he needs, he has not done anything to tell me he couldn't do it at Stoke on a wet evening.
Well, it would appear @Sky1981 was comparing them. I wasn't aware that I was being elitist, I didn't even necessarily say that Poch won't end up being as good a manager as Jose or Pep at their peak. All I suggested is that both managers have won an extraordinary amount, which is as much down to circumstance and intelligent moves as it is actual managerial ability. Jose has been successful at Porto though, who didn't have massive funds which debunks your point. I'm well aware there is football outside the elite, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but unfortunately United aren't exactly up their with the elite clubs at the moment. Jose wouldn't be a disaster at Spurs, your squad is very, very strong. He wouldn't need money because Levy and Poch have already built a ready made top English side.
I'm not sure its helpful to discussion to suggest people who believe Pep and Jose are currently better managers than Poch are elitist. It's also a strange statement to make that Jose would struggle with a squad that has arguably the best defence, and certainly the best striker in the league, along with one of the most hard working and dedicated units out of the top sides.
Who was it that won the League Cup with Spurs? Like a decade ago . Harry? This squad is miles ahead in terms of talent and has been one of the better teams during a period when the usual top dogs haven't been as dominant. Surely you must put more blame on the manager in that time ... Pochettino that is.
Firstly chill out, Jose would not fit at Spurs, even at United he's saying he needs more money. If Jose said what he has said at Spurs Levy would pull the trigger, I'm not slagging him off, but it's a terrible fit. And at Porto I think you need to look at the squad he had, one swallow sure as shit doesn't make a summer.