A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

Out of interest, is the "stale squad" thing a relatively new excuse?

I feel like I'd not heard it before, but it's being throw about like confetti as an excuse for Pochettino
 
cjj said:
Out of interest, is the "stale squad" thing a relatively new excuse?

I feel like I'd not heard it before, but it's being throw about like confetti as an excuse for Pochettino
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No, it's a theory that has been mentioned by SAF among others. Basically you need to rejuvenate the core of the team every 3-4 years and it makes sense because that's about the maximum that you can get from the exact same group of players, you rarely see teams perform longer than that at their best.
 
Since the start of the season there has been leaks to the press, supposedly from the players that he wants out. A few reports that all is not right with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Levy broke certain promises to him that has upset him to the point of wanting out.

Pochettino is a modern innovative coach. It's not like he's some park-the-bus dinosaur who's methods have been figured out be everyone else, hence the slump.

He's still the stand-out candidate to take over at Utd. But I hope Ole can land a playmaker and right winger in January, as I'd like to see what Ole can do with his own squad, and not half his team and half the previous managers.
 
lysglimt said:
No Spurs-fans want him - but there are still some smart United-fans who Think he would be the right person to replace OGS.
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Aye because Spurs fans have always disliked him and it isn’t a case of a manager reaching the end of his cycle at a club, which happens to practically every single manager ever.
 
Judas said:
Aye because Spurs fans have always disliked him and it isn’t a case of a manager reaching the end of his cycle at a club, which happens to practically every single manager ever.
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What makes you think that? Whenever I saw them talking about him up to the start of this season they've always gone on about how much he's done for the club, punching above his weight given their resources etc
 
JPRouve said:
No, it's a theory that has been mentioned by SAF among others. Basically you need to rejuvenate the core of the team every 3-4 years and it makes sense because that's about the maximum that you can get from the exact same group of players, you rarely see teams perform longer than that at their best.
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So today they played two new players they purchased this season and did SAF the core that much? Attack yes.. but base I don't think so.

This is my first time in this thread for a long time, and I've read one or two pages of excuses and theories.

If we win tomorrow we will be above Tottenham. . let that sink in, worst start to the premiership in history for United and yet above this manager after four seasons of work.
 
M16Red said:
So today they played two new players they purchased this season and did SAF the core that much? Attack yes.. but base I don't think so.

This is my first time in this thread for a long time, and I've read one or two pages of excuses and theories.

If we win tomorrow we will be above Tottenham. . let that sink in, worst start to the premiership in history for United and yet above this manager after four seasons of work.
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United were continuously rejuvenating under SAF, the rest as much as the attack. And it's not an excuse, you can have the opinion that you want about Pochettino it won't change SAF theory, if you disagree with him it's okay.
 
JPRouve said:
United were continuously rejuvenating under SAF, the rest as much as the attack. And it's not an excuse, you can have the opinion that you want about Pochettino it won't change SAF theory, if you disagree with him it's okay.
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Really, Rio was here 12 years, Carrick 11 years, Scholes, Rooney 13 years that your core right there.. Pat and Vidic 8 years

I'm just questioning where this theories from the "core" bit; SAF created four teams at Utd (my fav was the 1999 442 team) but the core didn't change that much, if poch hasn't built a good core by now then what does that say about him as a manager - even worse hes created the core and lost the dress room..

Do you think he'd do a job here?
 
M16Red said:
Really, Rio was here 12 years, Carrick 11 years, Scholes, Rooney 13 years that your core right there.. Pat and Vidic 8 years

I'm just questioning where this theories from the "core" bit; SAF created four teams at Utd (my fav was the 1999 442 team) but the core didn't change that much, if poch hasn't built a good core by now then what does that say about him as a manager - even worse hes created the core and lost the dress room..

Do you think he'd do a job here?
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And Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha, RVN, Hargreaves, RVP, Valencia, Nani, Heinze, Fletcher that's rejuvenating the core with top players having key roles. Spurs haven't done that by lack of money or ability but they are at a point where they need it whoever manages them.

And I don't know if he'd do a job at United, I think that he is a good coach and I like him but I have no certitudes.
 
Judas said:
Aye because Spurs fans have always disliked him and it isn’t a case of a manager reaching the end of his cycle at a club, which happens to practically every single manager ever.
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And for the sake of argument - if I agree with what you are saying about the cycle - do you think it would be smart to hire a manager who has taken a team in a 2 year continuous downward cycle without being able to stop the rot ?
 
lysglimt said:
And for the sake of argument - if I agree with what you are saying about the cycle - do you think it would be smart to hire a manager who has taken a team in a 2 year continuous downward cycle without being able to stop the rot ?
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They played in the CL final this year and could have won it if they remembered to turn up.

Feels weird defending Poch as I don’t really like the bloke, but the stuff people say on here is just weird.
 
Table. Points in the top 4 to outside the top 4. Top 4 will be out of reach soon for both United and Spurs if they don't start picking up points soon.
 
I would love to see Pochettino leave Tottenham if nothing more than to see glastonspur’s reaction and fumbling excuses. Also, he deserves much better than working for a tightwad like Levy.
 
Untd55 said:
Conflicts make a lot of difference. There are obviously player-board conflicts at Tottenham, regarding the contracts. Manager-board conflict looks like it started last season, which would be hard to fix once that appears. Once conflicts appear, they almost never get resolved.

I think it has just gone stale at Tottenham. I think Pochettino would be fine here; it is just there is nothing he can actually do at Tottenham to fix it.
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Spurs needed to move on all those players who were vocal about wanting to leave and are half assing it now. Alderweireld, Rose, Aurier, Wanyama, Vertonghen, Eriksen. It will end up costing Pochettino his job, and the players will get their move anyway. Far too complacent with what they had.

lysglimt said:
No Spurs-fans want him - but there are still some smart United-fans who Think he would be the right person to replace OGS.
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His time is done, either he moves or the core of the old guard moves. Usually cheaper to get rid of the manager for tightwad's like Levy. The problem being, who do they bring in? No top rate manager will work with squad investment on a level below Hammers and Everton. So they only have the option of bringing in someone who is trying to make a name for himself.
 
It will be interesting how it plays out for Spurs, they really need a big turn around or face the prospect of:

- Missing out on CL
- Sacking and paying off Poch
- Needing to replace Eriksen, Vertonghen and Alderweireld who could leave for nothing

At the same time we hope to be on the up next season, Chelsea will be back in the transfer market, Arsenal won't be terrible forever and Leicester are joining the mix.

They were strong 3rd favourites for the league at the start of the season, it couldn't have gone much worse so far.
 
I don’t even think Bebe has put on a performance as bad as Eriksen had against Everton. This shows exactly what Pochettino is working with at Spurs. A few players are no longer motivated and once that happens, it effects the psychological conditions in dressing room. Poch is still the second or third best manager in the world and once he gets ride of the negative energy in the dressing room, he will continue to overachieve at Spurs.

Regardless, Allegri is a good choice to replace Poch. He is the type of manager that will get results and will put on some good displays like Emery for Arsenal.
 
There are obviously problems between him and the board and some would still take him to work with our beloved Ed.
 
I'm very confident that he'll be our next manager and I think he'll be a tremendous appointment. He has had a bad six months for sure but the work he's done before that was simply outstanding given the budgetary restrictions he had.
 
KM said:
I'm very confident that he'll be our next manager and I think he'll be a tremendous appointment. He has had a bad six months for sure but the work he's done before that was simply outstanding given the budgetary restrictions he had.
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I think you could be right. I'll be very sad to see him go as he has been brilliant but his time here is done. For me I'm hoping for Allegri or..... Jose... (don't laugh)
 
With Poch at spurs and their 'slump', they have an aging pair of CBs. Sissoko, Eriksen, are not young. they need to refresh their squad with 3 or 4 players. They have bought in a couple but need more.

I personally think he would be great here with a bigger budget. But I also have changed my mind in recent weeks on Ole. I think the our squad is limited and with better players he will do ok. We are seeing better football with Martial, Rashford and James starting together. Add a creative midfielder with Pogba coming back, a backup striker and another top right winger and we will be a good team.

The next 2 windows are huge for both spurs and us!
 
balaks said:
I think you could be right. I'll be very sad to see him go as he has been brilliant but his time here is done. For me I'm hoping for Allegri or..... Jose... (don't laugh)
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Neither Jose or Allegri would go to Spurs and operate with a budget on par with Hammers and less than Everton. If you go purely on spend on squad for the last 5 years Spurs should be placed 8th, both Leicester and Everton are above them in squad investment. With the usual suspects, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, us all spending more.

So really, they are performing a little under par. Unlike us, who have invested more money than every other team except City. Such poor management from us.
 
Suvvernmanc said:
With Poch at spurs and their 'slump', they have an aging pair of CBs. Sissoko, Eriksen, are not young. they need to refresh their squad with 3 or 4 players. They have bought in a couple but need more.

I personally think he would be great here with a bigger budget. But I also have changed my mind in recent weeks on Ole. I think the our squad is limited and with better players he will do ok. We are seeing better football with Martial, Rashford and James starting together. Add a creative midfielder with Pogba coming back, a backup striker and another top right winger and we will be a good team.

The next 2 windows are huge for both spurs and us!
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They are a step behind us in terms of the players' age profiles and average age. We started reducing it already. They have yet to do so.

Lets see if Poch can rebuild teams at the same club. He has only done one cycle in all his previous clubs. Its not something to scoff at -- its one of the things that made Fergie GOAT. Arsen, like Fergie were the only two who had the stability and long term flexibility to succession plan but he failed miserably.
 
There is one little thing that I find perplexing in this thread and his own thread, Eriksen's age is constantly brought up as if he was in his 30s, Eriksen is 27. He probably needs a change of scenery but he isn't old.
 
sglowrider said:
They are a step behind us in terms of the players' age profiles and average age. We started reducing it already. They have yet to do so.

Lets see if Poch can rebuild teams at the same club. He has only done one cycle in all his previous clubs. Its not something to scoff at -- its one of the things that made Fergie GOAT. Arsen, like Fergie were the only two who had the stability and long term flexibility to succession plan but he failed miserably.
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Absolutely agree. But they have a better group of 'peak' players than us. We are younger and will grow with what we have and hopefully add too, and poch at spurs need to spend in the next 2 windows as i previously stated. Rose, Vertonghen, Toby, Eriksen all want to leave and Lamela could in the future as well if he doesn't get the minutes. That's alot of money to be spending if you want to replace with the same calibre of player.

I think Poch will leave soon as the rebuild will take 2 or 3 seasons due to Levy where as it should be done by end of next summer.
 
He's the best candidate for the Utd job. Only thing that bothers me is his poor recruitment. Most of his signings havent been all that.
 
balaks said:
I think you could be right. I'll be very sad to see him go as he has been brilliant but his time here is done. For me I'm hoping for Allegri or..... Jose... (don't laugh)
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There's no chance of Jose there from whatever I have read of Levy. I think Rodgers is a decent shout for your next manager.
 
Think the damage was done when they signed no one last year. They got to the final but you could tell the squad was creaking. Now they have made signings but its to late and older players have already made their minds up on leaving.
 
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

Poch should have left at the end of last season. I know he had a contract but he should/could have acted a bit smartly and leave on high. His football started looking boring since the start of 2018/19 season and he should have realised it would not take him anywhere but he decided to stay and is looking out of sorts.

Would I take him at United? I would not mind him but he won't be my first choice.
 
JPRouve said:
There is one little thing that I find perplexing in this thread and his own thread, Eriksen's age is constantly brought up as if he was in his 30s, Eriksen is 27. He probably needs a change of scenery but he isn't old.
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If he really is 27, then he is pretty much at his peak and in his prime. The next contract he signs will be with a club who get him at his absolute peak.

This assumes that he takes care of himself and doesn't go into early decline (like Sanchez and Rooney).
 
Amadaeus said:
I don’t even think Bebe has put on a performance as bad as Eriksen had against Everton. This shows exactly what Pochettino is working with at Spurs. A few players are no longer motivated and once that happens, it effects the psychological conditions in dressing room. Poch is still the second or third best manager in the world and once he gets ride of the negative energy in the dressing room, he will continue to overachieve at Spurs.

Regardless, Allegri is a good choice to replace Poch. He is the type of manager that will get results and will put on some good displays like Emery for Arsenal.
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Instead of keeping them in the squad to spread disharmony, he should banish them to the reserves. It's bad management to keep them in the squad/play them when they clearly can't be bothered.
 
alexthelion said:
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Instead of keeping them in the squad to spread disharmony, he should banish them to the reserves. It's bad management to keep them in the squad/play them when they clearly can't be bothered.
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2 CBs,Rose and Eriksen all appear to want out.

Spurs dont have the depth to banish them all.

Its not Pochs fault on the contract side of things.
 
I feel sorry for him. He has a boss that has put the importance of a new stadium over adding to the squad. If Poch would have a proper transfer kitty at Spurs for the last few years I think itd be a different story.
 
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