A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

2013/2014 - pre Poch - 69 points
2014/2015 - Poch 1 - 64 points
2015/2016 - Poch 2 - 70 points
2016/2017 - Poch 3 - 86 points
2017/2018 - Poch 4 - 77 points
2018/2019 - Poch 5 - 71 points (champions league final season)
Spurs definitely weren't a midtable side before he joined them, that's a ridiculous thing to say.
He has obviously improved them though, despite only having one truly impressive points tally in the league.
Getting them to the champions league final last season was a big achievement for the club, but their league form suffered for it, and now they seem to be in free fall.
I don't know if he could come to United and make us contenders again, but if he did I'd argue it would be far more impressive than anything he's done at Tottenham.
 
Fussball13251 said:
I have a feeling Brendan Rodgers will end up at Spurs and they might actually be considered serious contenders then. Pochettino has been there for what like 5 years now and he's been a failure. Won nothing major. On paper Spurs aren't that far behind Liverpool. Pochettino isn't the man to take United to the top.
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This is nonsense. They've got the same wage budget as Everton which is £100m+ short of the rest of the top clubs in the Premier League.
 
Poch being called a failure :lol:

He took Spurs from premier league laughing stock to outside shot title contenders and CL finalists. All on a shoestring budget.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
He's a very good manager who's reached the end of a long cycle, and now lost the dressing room...

If that makes anyone doubt his credentials - they are being the epitome of 'knee-jerk fans', and showing absolutely no understanding of how football works.

Klopp at Dortmund, Rodgers at Liverpool - cycles come to an end.

Pochettino is a brilliant manager, and if he's available, any top club will very rightly be seriously considering him.
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What kind of an example can Rodgers at Liverpool be? :lol: He was the laughing stock of the Caf in those times.
 
Berbasbullet said:
How often did they qualify for the champions league before he came along?

Don’t forget there was the settled big 4 before, and he gatecrashed that.
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That there was a settled top 4 before he came along isn't really an argument in his favor, and his arrival had nothing to do with it falling apart. United had lost Ferguson and gone into a state of perpetual mismanagement (though it wasn't clear at the time), Arsenal had been teetering on the brink for a while, while Chelsea saw Roman scale back his investments. Poch didn't gatecrash anything, and the top 4 falling apart while he was managing at Spurs was a complete coincidence.

That's not to say that he isn't a very good manager, because he is. But the ideas that he took over a mid-table team and turned them into challengers and ended the settled top 4 are complete myths.
 
DoomSlayer said:
What kind of an example can Rodgers at Liverpool be? :lol: He was the laughing stock of the Caf in those times.
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Funny things just seem to happen to Brendan...
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The Sunday night after Liverpool sacked him, Rodgers flew to Marbella on a planned vacation with his future wife Charlotte. His mood was not helped by several days of incessant rain in Spain nor when he was photographed asleep with his mouth wide open on the flight back by a fellow EasyJet passenger.
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Any one see similarities between Poch and the Jose of last season?

As someone who can’t abide Spurs this is turning out to be quite entertaining.

I do no5 want Pochetino any where near OT he’ll be a fecking disaster, if any one is going to replace Ole wether it be during this season or during next summer then it has to be Allegri with total control of all comings and goings.
 
Dec9003 said:
2013/2014 - pre Poch - 69 points
2014/2015 - Poch 1 - 64 points
2015/2016 - Poch 2 - 70 points
2016/2017 - Poch 3 - 86 points
2017/2018 - Poch 4 - 77 points
2018/2019 - Poch 5 - 71 points (champions league final season)
Spurs definitely weren't a midtable side before he joined them, that's a ridiculous thing to say.
He has obviously improved them though, despite only having one truly impressive points tally in the league.
Getting them to the champions league final last season was a big achievement for the club, but their league form suffered for it, and now they seem to be in free fall.
I don't know if he could come to United and make us contenders again, but if he did I'd argue it would be far more impressive than anything he's done at Tottenham.
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2012/2013 Spurs got - 72 points
2011/2012 spurs got - 69 points

A real myth that Poch took on a mid table club.
 
always_hoping said:
2012/2013 Spurs got - 72 points
2011/2012 spurs got - 69 points

A real myth that Poch took on a mid table club.
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Yeah he definitely didn't.
He took over a club on the edge of European qualification, and did well to capitalise on the inconsistencies of the other teams around him.
He made some great signings with them, and he's improved a lot of the squad, plus getting to the champions league final amidst his club building a new ground is a big achievement too.
I really don't believe he'd be this sure thing for United that many seem to think though, he'd be a risk 100%.
 
Pochettino made our new manager - Mike Phelan becomes our Director of Football - And Ole made No. 2

That's a guaranteed winner right there. Win-win all round. A guarantee to go back to the top.

Pochettino has worked miracles for 6 years at Southampton and Spurs. He's the world's best club manager along with Klopp IMO. He's realizing that to rebuild another team at Spurs on a limited budget is a challenge he does not fancy doing again, considering the mammoth size.

Sign him up Ed.
 
Dec9003 said:
Yeah he definitely didn't.
He took over a club on the edge of European qualification, and did well to capitalise on the inconsistencies of the other teams around him.
He made some great signings with them, and he's improved a lot of the squad, plus getting to the champions league final amidst his club building a new ground is a big achievement too.
I really don't believe he'd be this sure thing for United that many seem to think though, he'd be a risk 100%.
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Does anyone think he'd be a sure thing, I've not seen many if any saying so? I don't think there's a manager on the planet who wouldn't be a risk at this point with the club the way it is.
 
2 man midfield said:
Poch being called a failure :lol:

He took Spurs from premier league laughing stock to outside shot title contenders and CL finalists. All on a shoestring budget.
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They finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th and 6th before he joined, that last season being the one in which AVB was sacked and Sherwood came in with top 4 form. How is that a laughing stock? Spurs have improved since his arrival, but so have the quality of players. That 2nd place finish Spurs achieved when most other teams were in transition has meant he's received disproportionate praise for what he's actually done while there.
 
Judas said:
Does anyone think he'd be a sure thing, I've not seen many if any saying so? I don't think there's a manager on the planet who wouldn't be a risk at this point with the club the way it is.
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Many people seem to believe that if he joins a club with a big budget he'll do great things.
I think he definitely could do well at a 'big' club, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.
 
I would take him in an instant even taking into account his weaknesses. The cycle has ended at Spurs and lack of funds over the years made this squad stale.
 
If he becomes available, then I'd be quite happy to take him. Ticks a lot of boxes for the club, even though he far from prefect
 
ivaldo said:
They finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th and 6th before he joined, that last season being the one in which AVB was sacked and Sherwood came in with top 4 form. How is that a laughing stock? Spurs have improved since his arrival, but so have the quality of players. That 2nd place finish Spurs achieved when most other teams were in transition has meant he's received disproportionate praise for what he's actually done while there.
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Yep there has been a small uptick in performance with a better team. A team that could never find a way to win something. A team that came together when a few of the big boys have started to decline, prior to Liverpool and Man City blossoming.

I said it a long time ago but I do not see anything special in Poch that convinces me he woul help United to break out of our rut and thrive. He doesnt seem to have that special something though no doubt he is a decent ish manager.
 
Melville Red said:
Any one see similarities between Poch and the Jose of last season?

As someone who can’t abide Spurs this is turning out to be quite entertaining.

I do no5 want Pochetino any where near OT he’ll be a fecking disaster, if any one is going to replace Ole wether it be during this season or during next summer then it has to be Allegri with total control of all comings and goings.
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Yes, the difference is that he isn't toxic and wont throw his players under a bus, though that may have to do with ego and the fact that jose has won alot before and he has not... but the self destructing, freefalling, constant state of depression is eerily similar. And we look like we are about to fall for it again, getting a quality manager at the lowest point of his career and hoping for miracles and to recreate their past glories.
 
Yagami said:
Come on Levy - sack him :drool:
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Exactly. Signs was there when he said, he will leave Spurs if they won the champions league. It was a bad decision for Pochettino to stay. His legacy is only getting ruined and the players are no longer playing for him.

Either way, Klopp legacy didn’t get ruined after getting Dortmund in the bottom half in his last season. I believe this should be Pochettino last season at Spurs as well. I hope our board won’t be so daft to overlook his past accomplishments and assess him just on this season alone :lol:
 
Amadaeus said:
Exactly. Signs was there when he said, he will leave Spurs if they won the champions league. It was a bad decision for Pochettino to stay. His legacy is only getting ruined and the players are no longer playing for him.

Either way, Klopp legacy didn’t get ruined after getting Dortmund in the bottom half in his last season. I believe this should be Pochettino last season at Spurs as well. I hope our board won’t be so daft to overlook his past accomplishments and assess him just on this season alone :lol:
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Unfair to compare it to Klopps situation. Klopp won back to back league titles with Dortmund and beat Bayern 5-2 in the German cup final as well. Poch has won nothing, not even a league cup. I know you think Poch is a better manager than Klopp but that's just pure delusion from your part. Also considering Levy would have to pay Poch around £25m if sacked makes it hard to believe he ever will. Perhaps if things continue like this they will agree to part ways mutually.
 
Melville Red said:
Any one see similarities between Poch and the Jose of last season?

As someone who can’t abide Spurs this is turning out to be quite entertaining.

I do no5 want Pochetino any where near OT he’ll be a fecking disaster, if any one is going to replace Ole wether it be during this season or during next summer then it has to be Allegri with total control of all comings and goings.
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I would like us to give Nagelsmann a go when Ole leaves, he seems to have a way of playing attractive football and has that Klopp like energy on the touchline too. Unfortunately I can't see any Utd manager ever having full control of comings and goings with these yankee leeches running things.
 
BlueHaze said:
Unfair to compare it to Klopps situation. Klopp won back to back league titles with Dortmund and beat Bayern 5-2 in the German cup final as well. Poch has won nothing, not even a league cup. I know you think Poch is a better manager than Klopp but that's just pure delusion from your part. Also considering Levy would have to pay Poch around £25m if sacked makes it hard to believe he ever will. Perhaps if things continue like this they will agree to part ways mutually.
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Klopp would have not done that in the premier league. I had this argument before and I made several key points towards how Bayern poor form contributed to Klopp accomplishments in that league. One point of many was how Dortmund went out in the group stage and all they had to do was fight for the league title, while Bayern was more focused on the champions league. I would be more impressed if Klopp did what he did with Dortmund with a club like Spurs in the premier league. Only example of this was leceister fairy tail season(or Pochettino champions league final run) and many believed that that season was a lucky one(moreover Poch champions league final).
 
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Cassidy said:
Probably because he has a poor record overall maybe?

Or are you only going to judge Poch based on the last 9 months?
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I am just not convinced that Poch can come in and turn our team around any better than Ole. Sometimes managers also get lucky or unlucly with the team they inherent. If top managers like Mourinho and LVG couldn't have succes with this lot I am not sure Poch can either.
 
He's a superb manager who is obviously reaching the end of his cycle at Spurs. If he is sacked or resigns and indicated he is wiling to join United. We need to follow Liverpool's example and be ruthless. Ditch Ole and bring him in.
 
Amadaeus said:
Klopp would have not done that in the premier league. I had this argument before and I made several key points towards how Bayern poor form contributed to Klopp accomplishments in that league. One point of many was how Dortmund went out in the group stage and all they had to do was fight for the league title, while Bayern was more focused on the champions league. I would be more impressed if Klopp did what he did with Dortmund with a club like Spurs in the premier league. Only example of this was leceister fairy tail season and many believed that season was a lucky one, which was proven next season when leceister was almost relegated.
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But even in that leicester fairy tale season Poch had his best ever chance to take the title and failed. You probably think I hate on him but quite the opposite I think Poch is a good manager but if you watch Tottenham play now which I'm sure you already do there are clear warning signs there. Hypothetically let's say we hired him. We would all accept top 4 his first season but after that most would say he should be able to go for the title. Thats the problem he's never proven he can. Would we just want him to stay here for years finishing 4th and then have a meltdown like now?
 
JMack1234 said:
He's a superb manager who is obviously reaching the end of his cycle at Spurs. If he is sacked or resigns and indicated he is wiling to join United. We need to follow Liverpool's example and be ruthless. Ditch Ole and bring him in.
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Really?
From 2011 to date "ruthless" Liverpool had 4 managers:
Hodgson, Dalglish, Rodgers And Klopp..

United had 5 Ferguson, Moyes, Van Gaal. mourinho and Ole...
 
JMack1234 said:
He's a superb manager who is obviously reaching the end of his cycle at Spurs. If he is sacked or resigns and indicated he is wiling to join United. We need to follow Liverpool's example and be ruthless. Ditch Ole and bring him in.
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Or maybe follow Liverpool’s example and be patient with the manager through transition - realising it cannot be done in 12 months?!

I don’t see anything superb about Poch. If you are to be considered a top manager in a top league, you need to be winning things.

spurs used to at least win a few cups. I’m not saying he’s a shit manager, there’s a lot in between shit and superb - but superb he is most definitely not.
 
Good manager, not the right man to take us back to the top. I get the feeling it'd be the same old cycle were he to come here, he needs a break and a change of scenery in La Liga.

We need to get ahead of the pack and go for a forward thinking manager with everything to prove at the highest level. Nagelsmann would be my first choice by a country mile (were we to move Ole on), Rose probably second.

Perhaps Tuchel would be an option? Not sure how stable his position is at PSG, but I'd be interested to see how he did under our benevolent leader.. Seems like a recipe for fireworks.
 
BlueHaze said:
But even in that leicester fairy tale season Poch had his best ever chance to take the title and failed. You probably think I hate on him but quite the opposite I think Poch is a good manager but if you watch Tottenham play now which I'm sure you already do there are clear warning signs there. Hypothetically let's say we hired him. We would all accept top 4 his first season but after that most would say he should be able to go for the title. Thats the problem he's never proven he can. Would we just want him to stay here for years finishing 4th and then have a meltdown like now?
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Poch has consistently showed that he could reach Spurs objectives of top 4. No one in their right mind would think that Spurs will win the title. Maybe a few league cups, but even stats shows those competition are dominated by teams who spent big. The little team that has won it, it was simply by luck and are either relegated or in the bottom half of the League. Poch objective will be much different at United as he will have greater support from our board. It was not a coincidence that after Klopp spent big on most notably Van Dijk, Alison, and Fabinho, that his Liverpool team became stronger. Money, with a great manager = success. Pochettino is a great manager, but have not gotten the money to spend like his rivals. Some will say that Spurs team is great already. But that is a myth. Pochettino made them look better than they are. As they are showcasing right now how their level is similar to that of Everton than it is the other rivals.
 
He’s also a manager who seems to have zero or close to zero say in transfers at spurs. That’s not good, if you were to consider him for the utd job.
 
Amadaeus said:
Poch has consistently showed that he could reach Spurs objectives of top 4. No one in their right mind would think that Spurs will win the title. Maybe a few league cups, but even stats shows those competition are dominated by teams who spent big. The little team that has won it, it was simply by luck and are either relegated or in the bottom half of the League. Poch objective will be much different at United as he will have greater support from our board. It was not a coincidence that after Klopp spent big on most notably Van Dijk, Alison, and Fabinho, that his Liverpool team became stronger. Money, with a great manager = success. Pochettino is a great manager, but have not gotten the money to spend like his rivals. Some will say that Spurs team is great already. But that is a myth. Pochettino made them look better than they are. As they are showcasing right now how their level is similar to that of Everton than it is the other rivals.
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You sure about that?
 
Amadaeus said:
Poch has consistently showed that he could reach Spurs objectives of top 4. No one in their right mind would think that Spurs will win the title. Maybe a few league cups, but even stats shows those competition are dominated by teams who spent big. The little team that has won it, it was simply by luck and are either relegated or in the bottom half of the League. Poch objective will be much different at United as he will have greater support from our board. It was not a coincidence that after Klopp spent big on most notably Van Dijk, Alison, and Fabinho, that his Liverpool team became stronger. Money, with a great manager = success. Pochettino is a great manager, but have not gotten the money to spend like his rivals. Some will say that Spurs team is great already. But that is a myth. Pochettino made them look better than they are. As they are showcasing right now how their level is similar to that of Everton than it is the other rivals.
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Happy for anyone to say he’s a good manager, as clearly he is. But great? If he retired now, he would be completely forgotten - he’s done nothing that can be considered great.
 
Amadaeus said:
Poch has consistently showed that he could reach Spurs objectives of top 4. No one in their right mind would think that Spurs will win the title. Maybe a few league cups, but even stats shows those competition are dominated by teams who spent big. The little team that has won it, it was simply by luck and are either relegated or in the bottom half of the League. Poch objective will be much different at United as he will have greater support from our board. It was not a coincidence that after Klopp spent big on most notably Van Dijk, Alison, and Fabinho, that his Liverpool team became stronger. Money, with a great manager = success. Pochettino is a great manager, but have not gotten the money to spend like his rivals. Some will say that Spurs team is great already. But that is a myth. Pochettino made them look better than they are. As they are showcasing right now how their level is similar to that of Everton than it is the other rivals.
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We’re closer to Everton than our other rivals because nobody wants to play under miserable Poch and his tactics and selection are currently, fecking shite.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
He’s also a manager who seems to have zero or close to zero say in transfers at spurs. That’s not good, if you were to consider him for the utd job.
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This actually might not be a bad thing, considering hwo we've placed our trust in our previous post SAF managers. Other than Ole, they have been mostly miss than hit. so maybe he'd do well if we continued Ole's vision of young and hungry than giving him a blank cheque.
 
Amadaeus said:
Exactly. Signs was there when he said, he will leave Spurs if they won the champions league. It was a bad decision for Pochettino to stay. His legacy is only getting ruined and the players are no longer playing for him.

Either way, Klopp legacy didn’t get ruined after getting Dortmund in the bottom half in his last season. I believe this should be Pochettino last season at Spurs as well. I hope our board won’t be so daft to overlook his past accomplishments and assess him just on this season alone :lol:
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Only fans and incompetent clubs buy into nonsensical terms like legacy.
 
mu4c_20le said:
This actually might not be a bad thing, considering hwo we've placed our trust in our previous post SAF managers. Other than Ole, they have been mostly miss than hit. so maybe he'd do well if we continued Ole's vision of young and hungry than giving him a blank cheque.
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It would be good at a lot of clubs, but not at Utd where we seem to place a lot of faith in the manager in respect of signings.

Could be useful if we had a Dir of Football...
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
We’re closer to Everton than our other rivals because nobody wants to play under miserable Poch and his tactics and selection are currently, fecking shite.
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You asked for a changed in the diamond and that didn’t work today. He should have stuck to the diamond. They played better in terms of creating chancing with it as seen against Bayern. Anyway, if you think your next manager will do better than what Poch has done with Spurs with limited resources, then I can’t wait to see that happen. I can guarantee that Spurs will not see another champions league final anytime soon or win the title. Might get a lucky league cup, but I am not sure. I don’t know if top players will want to come to Spurs without a top manager. The main reason you got lo Celso and n’Dombele was because of Poch. Even with Poch, it was hard for you to get Coutinho, or Dybala who would have been a fantastic additions.

BlueHaze said:
You sure about that?
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Yes. I can’t believe some fans still thinks our board has not backed our manager. We have spent more than any other club beside maybe City post Sir Alex.
 
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Amadaeus said:
You asked for a changed in the diamond and that didn’t work today. He should have stuck to the diamond. They played better in terms of creating chancing with it as seen against Bayern. Anyway, if you think your next manager will do better than what Poch has done with Spurs with limited resources, then I can’t wait to see that happen. I can guarantee that Spurs will not see another champions league final anytime soon or win the title. Might get a lucky league cup, but I am not sure. I don’t know if top players will want to come to Spurs without a top manager. The main reason you got lo Celso and n’Dombele was because of Poch. Even with Poch, it was hard for you to get Coutinho, or Dybala who would have been a fantastic additions.
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We still played with zero width and for some reason Lucas can’t buy a game and Sissoko is now a right back.

Any new manager would do better than Poch is CURRENTLY managing. I don’t expect us to reach any CL final soon but certainly we’re so much better than he’s currently making us look with his silly decisions and obvious favouritism to certain players.

Doesn’t matter if we have Ndombele right now because Pochettino’s coaching is leading to us getting dicked by Brighton. We could have Patrick Viera in his prime at CM and would struggle with the current atmosphere at the club. Players don’t want to play for the man any longer.
 
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