I think Poch after a break at a new club will be a good manager again, everyone at Spurs just seem sick of each other
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Poch doesn't even need a break he just needs a new project with fresh minds to mould and the money to bring in people he needs. After such a long period under his methods I do believe a large portion of our squad simply isn't responding to it any longer, and we've failed to follow the golden rule of always refreshing the team so that it doesn't become stale.
He's a great coach. One who is flawed for sure (he's not very good tactically, don't expect that) but there's few better in terms of developing and motivating players.
He's a great coach. One who is flawed for sure (he's not very good tactically, don't expect that) but there's few better in terms of developing and motivating players.
Anyone that watched the game knew that it was the case. Pochettino has clowns making mistakes and lacking in terms of finishing. If Pochettino had more clinical and decisive players, it would have been Spurs who would have thrashed Bayern.
That what makes Pochettino so good. He is doing well with limited resources and a squad that is vastly overrated.
you don't win a game 7-2 if you aren't the better team
Don't bother. We could lose 10-0 and if we had more possession it would be proof that Pochettino is a genius.
yeah I realised who I was replying to as I clicked post
Unless you have clowns on the pitch who keeps gifting the opposition scoring opportunities. Empirical evidence is right in front of you and after watching the game, I knew the score line was very deceptive because Spurs was a much better team that what the score line showed.
Unfortunately this wasn’t possession statistics
. I look at the whole picture and not just the scoreline. Watch the first half of the match and tell me, how in the world that Spurs only scored 1? Lack of quality finishing and decision making. I would be embarrassed in the players if was pochettinoWhenever I see Michael Cox pop up on my Twitter he always seems a bit of a twat. He has the tendency of treating his opinion as a fact because he found a stat to back it up. To be fair I don't follow him so maybe I've just seen a couple of his poorer tweets.
Sounds like you need a doctor and a generous portion of some lubricant because your head seems to be firmly wedged up poor Pochettino's arse. I admire your unwavering devotion to him, however it starts to become more than tedious when you are trying to positively spin a humiliating 7-2 defeat as evidence of 'what makes Pochettino so good'.
I'm glad I'm not as good as Pochettino...
on this weeks totally football show pod someone asked if, with all his tactical expertise, he'd ever considered coaching. His reply was he always enjoys playing football but doesn't care about winning or losing.
This man is paid to analyze tactics...
If I didn’t have any evidence to support my statement then you will have a point. But, that is not the case as I knew during the game that such a result will occur and after the game, the xg supported my case that proved that Spurs were poor in terms of decisive output. It seems like other people that doubts evidence are in need of doctors.
If by unlucky you mean nowhere near then, yes, I'd agree.
He's underachieved with the players he has had.
An xG stat does not exonerate Pochettino from any culpability for his team's humiliating result last night, in spite of your best efforts to the contrary. You can claim that the result was misleading, that it was harsh on Spurs, but you cannot try and dress it up as another example of Pochettino's genius without appearing absurd and detached from reality.
I don’t understand your post. How does the xg stat doesn’t exonerate Poch? It does exonerate Poch because his team created a lot of goal scoring chances, even more than Bayern and Poch’s players were not clinical enough to punish Bayern. On the other hand, Bayern were much more clinical with the less chance created. This is Trump kind of gaslighting that you are attempting. Pochettino with a better team would have thrashed Bayern. Evidence supports that and if he didn’t have clowns on the pitch making mistakes and missing chances then the result will be different.
That 4-1 at Wembley was Poch’s only win vs Klopp. And it was before we had Van Dijk and Alisson. It was as much down to a shambolic individual performance from Dejan Lovren as it was down to a good Spurs performance.
That being said I agree with your overall analysis. I think he would do well at Utd, certainly a huge upgrade on Ole. But I’m not sure he would want to jump straight into another prem job after Spurs. I think he’ll go to Europe.
It’s hard to see him staying at Spurs past this season. If he turns things around and they win a trophy and/or get top 4 it would mean leaving on a positive note which would align with his pre CL final comments. If they have a poor season then the decision may be out of his hands and/or he may not fancy what’s looking like something of a rebuild IF all the unsettled players were to leave.
We need to get him. NOW!
Ludicrous. A manager is now blameless regardless of the result or performance or his decisions or his tactics so long as his sides xG is better than that of his opponent
So if a player miss multiple penalties in a match or in the case of the Bayern game yesterday if the players make multiple errors and missed multiple chances, we should blame the manager? That is the textbook definition of irrational thinking. No one with enough sense will blame the manager for that. Spurs was set up well, and they created loads of chances. Few mistakes in the back and players gave up. Not the manager fault.Ludicrous. A manager is now blameless regardless of the result or performance or his decisions or his tactics so long as his sides xG is better than that of his opponent
I think everyone there, Poch included are just sick of the lack of ambition. He's a great manager, been one of the best in the league for a long time now. If Ole does bite the bullet this season, I hope it's Poch that comes in.
I think it's quite different. The situation at Spurs seems like he needs a change of scenery, he's been there many years with little investment and players wanting out.
What happened with Jose at Chelsea looked like a big meltdown and potentially a man that has lost the plot. The thing with Jose was that he had at least won the league recently, but I think his situation did come across more concerning.
He's the same person that said trophies are only for the ego.
I don't get all the posts downplaying Poch's managerial reign at Spurs. Meanwhile at United, we have Ole.........
The United way indeed.
The United way indeed.
What he is showing in the last few months now is that he can not motivate the team to get out of a bad spell and instead things are going from bad to worse; that is exactly what we have to avoid imo as we already drop our heads the moment things go wrong. And Spurs have arguably better leaders in the first 11 then we do.
Unless you have clowns on the pitch who keeps gifting the opposition scoring opportunities. Empirical evidence is right in front of you and after watching the game, I knew the score line was very deceptive because Spurs was a much better team that what the score line showed.
Unfortunately this wasn’t possession statistics
You fail to grasp football with all your analysis, the better team in sections of the game don't always win, possession means nothing if there is no cutting edge. Just because you have the most possession the most shots doesn't give you a divine right to win a game? Its kind of what makes football the game it is.
There is no buy out on his contract, if Poch wants to resign there is nothing stopping him. fecking DM BS.
He has lost weight. Clearly putting himself in the shop window.
Cool...
Even if we accept the other points of your ridiculous analysis, since when did managers stop becoming accountable for their team making mistakes and losing all morale and motivation once they went behind?
I agree with most of what you say. To me in terms of talent/quality in the last 2-3 years I believe Poch Spurs has been up there with Simeone Atleti and Klopp Dortmund. Yet Dortmund and Atleti lifted some major titles, Atleti and Dortmund were also constantly losing key players off the top of my head I can only remember Poch losing Walker? He kept majority of this team together yet won nothing. I mean even in the league I'd say his side were hardly contenders they were just a top 4 team.
At the end he has done a decent job and has helped some of these players reach their potential, but compared to Klopp/Simeone he's still behind them. And has you said he doesn't have this special aura around him.
So he's had 5 years of stability at Tottenham with his team, never won a trophy in his 10 years as a manager, lost to OGS at Wembley earlier this year, record home defeat by an English team in the Champions League this week and some clowns on here still want him to be United manager!
And he did all that without any investments until this summer. In the meantime, Utd have blown near a billion and still not good enough.
5 years of stability? He turned Spurs into a serious team in the Premie League and the Champions League without a budget, what are you even talking about?
Do you realize many United supporters didn’t want Klopp when he was battling relegation with Dortmund? Look at them now.
This is not fifa 20 on video consoles. If a player makes a mistake on the pitch, it is the players fault. The manager doesn’t have that much control on the player. With regards to motivation, the manager does have a part in that, but once again he is not in full control. As much as the manager tries to instill confidence in their players, if the players are not reciprocating those words from the manager there isn’t much the manager can do unless drop or substitute those players. I feel that Poch definitely wanted to make more changes to his team as he knew a lot of these players are losing motivation, but he was limited with the changes he could make. He is stuck with players who aren’t that talented and lacking motivation. Not a good place to be as a manager.
It doesn’t give you the right to win a game but it does give an accurate narrative that the team with those dominant statistics played well and on another day the results would have been different. In the case of Bayern, xg showed that Spurs had created lots of chances but because of lack of clinical finishing couldn’t finish Bayern of. That is only the offensive statistic, if you look at the defensive one, you will be aware of how clumsy Spurs players were in gifting Bayern Goalscorering chances.
xG takes absolutely no context of the keepers ability, come on you should know this.
It takes into context, the data required to analyze a goal scoring opportunity. You don’t even need xg to see how wasteful Spurs were in that game. You just need working eyes. I was in the matchday thread commenting about it and forecasting the event that will transpired. You can go into that thread and see my post, it was like I was Nostradamus. Maybe I m just a football genius, and normal people can’t see the things that I see during a game.
If he doesn’t want clumsy defenders he shouldn’t have brought Sanchez and Aurier to the club. @Amadaeus
Nor should he play Ndombele in a position where he’s basically forced to cover as a defensive midfielder, or continue to play Rose when he’s been a calamity for us nearly every week.
But he did do all that. And he did choose to start Alli who was (predictably) a total passenger. And the diamond did leave our midfield exhausted by the end trying to cover for our shite full backs, with our three midfielders pulled all over the place. The same shit happened against Leicester.
But no, nobody can blame Poch because we had a good spell at the start and a decent xG. He’s totally unaccountable for players he brings in, the mentality of the team in how easily we collapse now, or our defensive woes. It’s all purely down to the ‘clowns’ (fully fledged internationals) he has at his disposal.
Nor should he play Ndombele in a position where he’s basically forced to cover as a defensive midfielder, or continue to play Rose when he’s been a calamity for us nearly every week.
But he did do all that. And he did choose to start Alli who was (predictably) a total passenger. And the diamond did leave our midfield exhausted by the end trying to cover for our shite full backs, with our three midfielders pulled all over the place. The same shit happened against Leicester.
But no, nobody can blame Poch because we had a good spell at the start and a decent xG. He’s totally unaccountable for players he brings in, the mentality of the team in how easily we collapse now, or our defensive woes. It’s all purely down to the ‘clowns’ (fully fledged internationals) he has at his disposal.
No your not, most people could see it, the thing is you don't see this happens quite a bit in football, you know there is even the saying "you will rue those misses late on". What most people don't do is come on bumming and blowing about seeing it.
Holy shit I’m thick for taking you seriously this whole time. Well played man, well played.