A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

I like him a lot. Was my preferred choice for a long time. But if solskjaer continues to do well I just don’t think he’s of such and undeniable calibre to justify getting rid of solskjaer.

His teams have similar problems to what we’ve had in recent years. Some very dull games amongst some great stuff (better than our three previous showed) and days when they just can’t break teams down.

If ole gets top 4 he such be given the job.
 
Judas said:
A 100% think he’s a good manager, ignorant to think otherwise as it’s obvious, but I just question his personality to handle the job, I think he’s showing signs of cracking and he’s only managing Spurs.
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I don't rate him highly as well, but people think he's cracking especially after his last 2-3 press conferences. (the one with the trophies etc). He was misunderstood there, as his English is dogshit.

He's very good at improving players, one of the best. But his tactics and team setup are not out of this world. I'm watching their game now and they've been dire, no urgency, no pressure, no width against a team like newcastle that you need to stretch.

Jury is still out on him until he manages a big club with available resources. He took some average dudes like Kane, Alli, Son etc and turned them into class players, I wonder how he'd do at a club where class players were already available.
 
I disagree with his comment about the FA Cup is only for ego. Winning it is an achievement to be proud of for a club and fans.

If you don't win anything then you have no 'ego' which you could actually call no 'legacy'. Or no 'history'.

I'd rather win the FA cup than do what he does and pretend Spurs will be Real Madrid in 5 years.
 
youmeletsfly said:
I don't rate him highly as well, but people think he's cracking especially after his last 2-3 press conferences. (the one with the trophies etc). He was misunderstood there, as his English is dogshit.

He's very good at improving players, one of the best. But his tactics and team setup are not out of this world. I'm watching their game now and they've been dire, no urgency, no pressure, no width against a team like newcastle that you need to stretch.

Jury is still out on him until he manages a big club with available resources. He took some average dudes like Kane, Alli, Son etc and turned them into class players, I wonder how he'd do at a club where class players were already available.
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Yeah, just like Brendan Rodgers made Suarez world class.

Why can't he turn water to wine with Nkoudou who looks poor
 
JoseandMkhiarespecial said:
Yeah, just like Brendan Rodgers made Suarez world class.

Why can't he turn water to wine with Nkoudou who looks poor
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HIs methods might work with some players and might not with others. Player improvement is also down to the environment, age, player's will and so on.

If a manager improves a few players and then he doesn't improve a few you can't create a rule that he should improve everyone and beat him with it. Out of that squad the percentage of improved players vs "Nkoudou" ones is much higher.
 
Tommy said:
He's only been able to consistently do so because Chelsea constantly blow hot & cold, Arsenal have fallen off, and Man United are all over the place. Given his squad, and the amount of time he has in his position compared to Sarri/Emery/OGS, he should be third. I just don't see him as an overachiever based on what he's managed in terms of results/league finishes.

His promotion of youth & ability to build up players is definitely something to be admired, though.
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I agree with what you said. He definitely isn't overachieving, He has some really good players in his team and it would cost silly money to replace those players, that's why I don't understand the overrating of him. it's not like he took bunch of average players and got them into top 4 with United,Arsenal and Chelsea being at their best, He's had some luck in that respect but he still needed to get those players playing his way and they've improved under him for which he deserves credit but top 4 is the minimum you'd expect now IMO.
 
youmeletsfly said:
HIs methods might work with some players and might not with others. Player improvement is also down to the environment, age, player's will and so on.

If a manager improves a few players and then he doesn't improve a few you can't create a rule that he should improve everyone and beat him with it. Out of that squad the percentage of improved players vs "Nkoudou" ones is much higher.
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Right so everything that Alli and Kane have done in youth football and on loan and by themselves means nothing ... and Poch waved his magic wand and turned 2 youth players from nothing into Kane and Alli:rolleyes:.

I'm surprised Barca aren't after him then.

And Winks will be the next Iniesta under him too when he turns Spurs into real Madrid in 5 years in his own words I guess when he's already had years :lol:

Let's be honest Sir Alex had everyone in the squad playing attacking even players who weren't that good.

Poch plays limp, slow, boring football set up for one player and the season falls apart if his target man is injured.

We compete on all fronts so you cannot do that here and surrender the cups like him while pretending it's the right thing to do.

If we even hired boring Poch then I'm sure Levy wouldn't sell Kane and Alli to us and admit Spurs are a feeder club so where would he be then, nowhere, pretending we'll be Real Madrid in 5 years like he is at Spurs
 
He has done superb job at Spurs. Yeah he didn't win any cups but their progress is so obvious. Also they want top 4 more than any cups considering their financial position and Poch has saved Levy's arse way too many times.
 
roonster09 said:
He has done superb job at Spurs. Yeah he didn't win any cups but their progress is so obvious. Also they want top 4 more than any cups considering their financial position and Poch has saved Levy's arse way too many times.
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If he manages to get even second place at the end of the season, he should get manager of the year award. Doing a bloody good job.
 
roonster09 said:
He has done superb job at Spurs. Yeah he didn't win any cups but their progress is so obvious. Also they want top 4 more than any cups considering their financial position and Poch has saved Levy's arse way too many times.
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Nah, it's the other way around. Levy made Poch look good. :rolleyes:

They did get some bargains, but to significantly lift market value of pretty much every single player in your starting 11 is a very good indicator that the manager is doing a great job in his current club.
 
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roonster09 said:
He has done superb job at Spurs. Yeah he didn't win any cups but their progress is so obvious. Also they want top 4 more than any cups considering their financial position and Poch has saved Levy's arse way too many times.
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Surely to god few are actually arguing that he hasn't done a superb job with Spurs are they?

If there's an argument against him being the next United manager it's that what makes someone a great success in these circumstances at Spurs doesn't neccessarily translate over to Manchester United. There should be no doubt that he's been superb for Spurs though. Put pretty much any other PL manager in charge of that team and they're nowhere near second place.
 
Jim Beam said:
Nah, it's the other way around. Levy made Poch look good. :rolleyes:

They did get some bargains, but to significantly lift market value of pretty much every single player in your starting 11 is a very good indicator that the manager is doing a great job in his current club.
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Yeah, some laughable posts here like how not signing anyone didn't have any impact on what Spurs achieved or could have achieved or some driver analogies.
 
sullydnl said:
Surely to god few are actually arguing that he hasn't done a superb job with Spurs are they?

If there's an argument against him being the next United manager it's that what makes someone a great success in these circumstances at Spurs doesn't neccessarily translate over to Manchester United. There should be no doubt that he's been superb for Spurs though. Put pretty much any other PL manager in charge of that team and they're nowhere near second place.
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I haven't read all posts, just skimmed and thought few really meant that or played down his great job at Spurs with some silly logic.
 
roonster09 said:
I haven't read all posts, just skimmed and thought few really meant that or played down his great job at Spurs with some silly logic.
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Just reading through a bit of the thread, you might be right. Some people....
 
To have the players playing like they are and on way less wages than his competitors speaks highly of his man management ability and tactical acumen. Even without their best players, he still manages to get a win. I don’t believe any other current manager would be able to do what Pochettino has done with the hand he has been delt.

If he is playing good football like this, could you imagine what a £300m(increased wages and new signing) investment in his team would produce?

I have no doubt that Pochettino is United primary target no matter how good Ole does. The only way he won’t be at United next season is if he prefer to continue his project at Spurs.
 
sullydnl said:
Surely to god few are actually arguing that he hasn't done a superb job with Spurs are they?

If there's an argument against him being the next United manager it's that what makes someone a great success in these circumstances at Spurs doesn't neccessarily translate over to Manchester United. There should be no doubt that he's been superb for Spurs though. Put pretty much any other PL manager in charge of that team and they're nowhere near second place.
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Something like that. Although he has done great at Spurs no doubt we're yet to see how he'd do at a big club with lots of resources. Big decisions ahead if he's our choice anyway and it wasn't just paper speculation.
 
Amadaeus said:
To have the players playing like they are and on way less wages than his competitors speaks highly of his man management ability and tactical acumen. Even without their best players, he still manages to get a win. I don’t believe any other current manager would be able to do what Pochettino has done with the hand he has been delt.

If he is playing good football like this, could you imagine what a £300m(increased wages and new signing) investment in his team would produce?

I have no doubt that Pochettino is United primary target no matter how good Ole does. The only way he won’t be at United next season is if he prefer to continue his project at Spurs.
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Did you put supports Pochettino yourself or mods did it? :D
 
Amadaeus said:
I have no doubt that Pochettino is United primary target no matter how good Ole does. The only way he won’t be at United next season is if he prefer to continue his project at Spurs.
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Did you not get the talking points? This is clearly against the narrative, or at least how it will be spun here and in the press if this came to pass.
 
Amadaeus said:
I have put it there for awhile. It is almost Nostradamus-esque the way things have gone as when he was not highly regarded I still had that signature. It seems I knew he was going to become a great manager before anyone else.
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When did you 1st realize this?
 
Tommy said:
He's only been able to consistently do so because Chelsea constantly blow hot & cold, Arsenal have fallen off, and Man United are all over the place. Given his squad, and the amount of time he has in his position compared to Sarri/Emery/OGS, he should be third. I just don't see him as an overachiever based on what he's managed in terms of results/league finishes.

His promotion of youth & ability to build up players is definitely something to be admired, though.
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So he should get no credit because other clubs are doing a worse job? Wow.

Good to see them navigating the injuries, they may yet keep your heart in your mouth all the way to May.
 
antohan said:
So he should get no credit because other clubs are doing a worse job? Wow.

Good to see them navigating the injuries, they may yet keep your heart in your mouth all the way to May.
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He gets credit for doing what his team should be doing given the circumstances, but I think the hyperbole regarding him is baffling. You'd think he was SAF the way some people go on about him - Especially in the media.

He's obviously a good manager, but he's not won anything yet, so let's calm down, eh?
 
Sky1981 said:
You cant have it both.

When we say his team is great his fans downbeat it as if they're a soapbox. Now I'm saying his car is a soapbox they claim it's a ferrari.
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Yes Poch fans like to operate in a limbo area where he's turned everyone into great players but his players aren't great enough to win trophies. It's weird that.

Spurs have not spent one single game week in 1st place and only been to one cup final. That is not good enough with the quality of players at his disposal. They've never had a title run-in or won a cup with players like Kane, Eriksen, Son, Vertonghen, Alderweireld etc.

Apparently Poch is a great manager because of his system, yet this system has not gotten these players to the level they can be at. If you tried to sell these players top clubs would pay top dollar for them. These aren't players that 'put the pressure on' these are players that are at the level to win major honours.
 
I'm still torn between him and giving Ole a chance, thankfully I'm not the one making that call, one thing is for sure he's making Woodward's job a difficult one.
 
Tommy said:
He gets credit for doing what his team should be doing given the circumstances, but I think the hyperbole regarding him is baffling. You'd think he was SAF the way some people go on about him - Especially in the media.

He's obviously a good manager, but he's not won anything yet, so let's calm down, eh?
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I'm calm. Agree on not going to either extreme.
 
antohan said:
I'm calm. Agree on not going to either extreme.
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Sorry, I wasn't directing that comment at you specifically. Just the media that go on about him as he's some sort of unmatchable genius in the dugout.
 
breakout67 said:
Yes Poch fans like to operate in a limbo area where he's turned everyone into great players but his players aren't great enough to win trophies. It's weird that.

Spurs have not spent one single game week in 1st place and only been to one cup final. That is not good enough with the quality of players at his disposal. They've never had a title run-in or won a cup with players like Kane, Eriksen, Son, Vertonghen, Alderweireld etc.

Apparently Poch is a great manager because of his system, yet this system has not gotten these players to the level they can be at. If you tried to sell these players top clubs would pay top dollar for them. These aren't players that 'put the pressure on' these are players that are at the level to win major honours.
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This is spot on and my thoughts exactly on Poch. There's people treating him like he's David Moyes at Everton, doing a good job with the resources he's got. When those resources include arguably the best striker in the world and the other players you mentioned, things should become a less lenient.
 
Shark said:
This is spot on and my thoughts exactly on Poch. There's people treating him like he's David Moyes at Everton, doing a good job with the resources he's got. When those resources include arguably the best striker in the world and the other players you mentioned, things should become a less lenient.
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Yeah it's a fair argument to expect Poch to deliver something with the squad. But 'trophies' isn't the only way to deliver something or show that you are a good manager. Sure the squad is good enough to win a trophy, but so are 5 other clubs. He is delivering CL football and is in the knockout stages of the CL two times in a row, he has also delivered semifinals or finals in a domestic cup every season, so he is establishing Spurs as a top club. I'm not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread, but to do that without being able to address the shortcomings of the squad like the other 5 managers (to a greater or lesser degree) is commendable.

Kane is good, but so are Pogba, Aguero, Hazard, Aubamayang, Salah and so on.
 
Another fantastic win for Pochettino against a tough leceister team without playing with two of his most valuable players and other few notable absences. Accomplishing this feet without spending nearly close to his competitor and with players with wages that less than half of those competitors as well. How Pochettino does it is a mystery to me. At this level, you need to spend big to compete and what he is doing is breaking that normative way of thinking. No other manager will be able to do this. I would like to see how well Pochettino does with a war chest and signs top players like Pogba, Van Dik, Auba, Hazard, Sanchez, and so on.
 
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