A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Only two points off City .
And imo that'll be the peak for him. I don't see them winning the league or CL or the FA Cup... Or any trophies for that matter. What do you think will be the first silverware they win? And when?
Edit: am noy saying he's a bad manager. He's class.... Just not a good fit at United.
Depends what happens in the summer imo. We will probably restructure a bit with Vorm and Llorente leaving for sure and Janssen N'koudou likely to leave if we get an offer. I also suspect decisions will be made on Wanyama, on top of this we have let Dembele go and will probably lose Alderweireld and possibly Eriksen. We could see 8 players leaving, and possibly even more such as Aurier imo which will open up space in the squad to add some players. What money will be made available to Poch and what targets we will go for remains to be seen, but no doubt most of those players can be improved on by adding 2 or 3 quality players and rely on the academy to complete the squad imo.
Hopefully Barcelona and Real Madrid target other players than Eriksen and we can somehow get him to sign a new deal though.
His man management is perhaps his strongest quality. He can take seemingly normal players and have them playing at full potential, as part of a team. The Son/Llorente celebrations tell you so much about how he has them motivated.
He has his flaws, no doubt. But you can't deny the achievements of a man who has Spurs 2 points off City with his key players unavailable.
I don't think they're gonna drop out of top 4. Their new stadium will have CL football.
He has his flaws, no doubt. But you can't deny the achievements of a man who has Spurs 2 points off City with his key players unavailable.
I don't think they're gonna drop out of top 4. Their new stadium will have CL football.
Spurs have a great points total. Considering the injury problems and Spurs lack of spending the job he has done is nothing short of superb. Anyone who dismisses his record is clueless imo.
Injury problem for a week 
Injury problem for a week
Crisis for a few weeks, and still missing Kane and Alli. We've had quite a few other injuries as well, Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Dembele, Wanyama, Dier, Lamela, Lucas, Sanchez, Verthongen, Aurier, Davies, Rose and Lloris have all been out from the top of my head.
Christ and there are still some that will call them bottlers for not competing for the league. It’s why I can’t utter a bad word about the man. A good manager that will put his head down and work with what he has and somehow we ended up with mourinho.
Well done Tottenham and Pochettino
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N'Koudou moves to Monaco on loan
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N'Koudou moves to Monaco on loan
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Surely that should be Levy getting praised, not Poch? I appreciate he will have some influence on players' happiness but it's Levy who runs the ship financially and keeps players and agents happy from a commercial perspective.
Also, as more of a side note here. Not to detract from Poch doing an excellent job on the pitch but this article (to me) points at Guardiola really struggling with expectations this season. After 24 games last season City had 65 pts and Spurs had 45 but this season City have 54pts and Spurs 52pts... it's a case of closing the gap from Spurs and a serious points deficit from City.
Pochettino getting credit for Daniel Levy's work once again. That's a Poch cult classic.
There's a lot of praise going around of Poch's ability to work on a shoestring budget. If you're handling a Passat well, does that mean that you're also good at handling a Ferrari?
If your beating the Ferrari in a race most years it gives a good indication you're a hell of a driver.
Slam dunk
Based by Formula 1 criterion, you would certainly get a chance to drive a Ferrari in that case.
That still doesn't guarantee you handle it well.
Your argument has utterly fallen apart, I'd give up.
Not totally. Ferrari had some drivers that didn't live up to the expectations after impressing previously.
He obviously is a good driver, but he has not been able to win anything with it. Also, the guy driving the Ferrari at the moment knows how it works and how to get the best out of it, as opposed to the three guys who came before him. Why take the chance?
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Pochettino is obviously a good manager, but the argument that he would do better with a bigger budget is flawed. History is full of people who did not step up. Also, United finally have a Ferrarri driver at the wheel again right now, why trade him for a Passat driver? It seems like a stupid chance to take.
And yes, the metaphor is not perfect. I know.
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This Passat driver has not beaten a Ferrari in any race.Individual
- Premier League Manager of the Month: October 2013, September 2015, February 2016, April 2017[86]
Not one single game week in 1st place in 5 years. 1 league cup final in 5 years, not one deep run in the CL in 5 years. Arsene Wenger is a Space shuttle driver by these standards. Countless times Arsenal would be 1st place until the 2nd half of the season where they would capitulate due to injuries and fatigue. This was done on a negative net spend.
Spurs under Poch start slow and finish strong; which is the exact opposite of what you'd expect from a manager being held back by lack of spending on the squad, which means that he's not affected all that much by squad depth (because he plays certain players into the ground anyway).
I still think he's a brilliant manager.
Can you imagine Jose Mourinho being given nothing to spend two transfer windows in a row?
We spent £70m in his last window here and he went into a childish meltdown.
Can you imagine Jose Mourinho being given nothing to spend two transfer windows in a row?
We spent £70m in his last window here and he went into a childish meltdown.
Who's the Ferrari in this scenario? Arsenal, Chelsea and ourselves are closer to this:
The only ferrarris he's beaten spent way too much time stuck at pit stop for repairs.
This is such an easy excuse... How many seasons in a row now have this many teams been stuck in the pit stop for? I'm not sure if you are doing this, but if you mean to say that all the clubs Spurs finish ahead of are in a constant state of transition until they finish ahead of Spurs then I think it's a ridiculous and unfair argument. To me it sounds as though everyone wait until the season is finished, and if they finished behind Spurs they just go: 'err... guess we're still in transition'. It's not as if Spurs got a low points total now or in the past few seasons, and the team that finished second behind Chelsea with 86 points was a legitimately great team, and didn't finish 2nd because all the other clubs were 'in transition' or the pit stop.
Love Poch. Great manager, who can take good players and make them look world class (I'm looking at you Harry Kane).
But it honestly feels like I we've just got the real Manchester United waking up after a 6 year sleep, and everything is looking positive. I don't want to upset that.
Poch should be currently second choice, of no fault of his own.
But it honestly feels like I we've just got the real Manchester United waking up after a 6 year sleep, and everything is looking positive. I don't want to upset that.
Poch should be currently second choice, of no fault of his own.
Who's the Ferrari in this scenario? Arsenal, Chelsea and ourselves are closer to this:
Our car has one of the most expensive parts in the world, so it certainly doesn't look that way. It's more of a driver issue.
Btw. I am not talking that Poch should get United job. Ole has done brilliantly and if things stay the same he deserves a chance. Just saying that Poch will get a top job in the near future based on his work with this Spurs team. And rightly so.
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United have been a souped up fiesta post-SAF, Arsenal are not a football club just a meme generation machine. Chelsea were the only one close to a Ferrari and they have done far better than Spurs in the last 5 years.
It's absolute nonsense to look at spending without looking at personnel. We get mugged off for all of our transfers due to a poor negotiation team (another isntance of Levy's work being credited to Poch) and our squad was worse than Spurs until last season when it's on similar terms.
Another classic is the hyberbole of player development when trying to raise up Poch. As if he is working in the academy and his players are puppets under his control with no qualities of their own. He developed some into top class players, big fecking deal, managers at second tier clubs have been doing it for decades because that's how they make money.
He's a good driver driving a fiat and rightly lost against a better driver driving a ferrari.
Give him a ferrari will even up the odds at best. Still has to beat the other guy with the Ferrari still.
Give him a ferrari will even up the odds at best. Still has to beat the other guy with the Ferrari still.
It's a disservice to the players at his disposal to call that team a fiat. A forward line of Alli, Son, Kane and Eriksen is fantastic. Of course this season is different because they've gotten long injuries but he's had enough time to show that player quality is not his limiting factor. His limiting factor is game management and motivation.
Remember when there were talks of Poch turning Dembele into a worldie and now he's a crock.
I don't understand the overrating and underrating of poch.
People who are saying he's a "Great" Manager. Well, What makes managers "Great" is winning trophies.
People who are underrating him. IMO He's done a Good job to get spurs playing in CL consistently, So there is some talent in the man.
People who are saying he's a "Great" Manager. Well, What makes managers "Great" is winning trophies.
People who are underrating him. IMO He's done a Good job to get spurs playing in CL consistently, So there is some talent in the man.
He's only been able to consistently do so because Chelsea constantly blow hot & cold, Arsenal have fallen off, and Man United are all over the place. Given his squad, and the amount of time he has in his position compared to Sarri/Emery/OGS, he should be third. I just don't see him as an overachiever based on what he's managed in terms of results/league finishes.
His promotion of youth & ability to build up players is definitely something to be admired, though.
I still think he is underrated. He's completely turned that club around with almost no money. They haven't won any trophies but they definitely have a winning mentality that the manager has instilled. But he needs to win a trophy soon imo.
A 100% think he’s a good manager, ignorant to think otherwise as it’s obvious, but I just question his personality to handle the job, I think he’s showing signs of cracking and he’s only managing Spurs.
You cant have it both.
When we say his team is great his fans downbeat it as if they're a soapbox. Now I'm saying his car is a soapbox they claim it's a ferrari.
Stop with the car analogies.