He isn't just finishing top four though - he's finished 3rd, 2nd, and 3rd respectively in their last three seasons, and currently they're on track for another 3rd place finish. Again, all that with the resources of a side who - by right - should be languishing somewhere around 6th at best, and who had a fairly shite squad when he first assumed the position. That's more impressive than Wenger's Arsenal regularly finishing 4th and often having to secure CL qualification late in the season.
Wenger actually finished 3rd and 2nd too, and again without much spending. You can say resources were present or not but they were still not spending much.
It's still the same. Simply finishing top 4 regularly isn't a sign of progress if you're not taking it farther forward and start winning things. It's a thing of stagnation and no progress actually. It's fine at first when you finish top 4 after a long time out of it. It was fine first or second time Poch did it, was more than enough, but more of the same seasons every year, it's showing the team isn't progressing. It shows the team has stagnated and it's not going anywhere.
For their players and fans it would be monumental, I think - good is us, or City winning it; not sure it changes anything in the grand scheme for clubs who have a fanbase that can regale themselves with CL and PL winning memories, or, who have actually won either in the very recent past and could well be on to pastures new in terms of aspiration.Well that’s the thing, Spurs are in an awkward middle ground between the two. Sure they haven’t won a trophy in a long time and winning one would be good, but on the other hand, they don’t finish in the CL spots and all of a sudden their best players look at leaving, they struggle to get decent reinforcements to come in etc.
Like I said, the only debate to be had here is if Spurs should be prioritizing one thing over another. Some may say they have the squad to compete on both fronts, others may say they don’t.
They had a ten-year spell where they literally didn't finish 2nd once and when they finished 2nd again they had a points total in the low 70s. They generally fluctuated between 3rd and 4th, whereas Spurs have consistently been in the top three.
They're only stagnating if you (again) ignore that they don't really have the resources to even be in the top four. The only thing they can do beyond what they're doing currently is win the league - that's really fecking tough in a league where they're financially disadvantaged in comparison to five other teams. They've had a patchy spell of form recently but they're still doing alright in the league and continue to play plenty of good football. Hardly stagnation, I'd say.
I doubt many share your kind of imagination. Many would happily trade relegation for a PL title. Case in point, Leicester is forever among the PL champions while Spurs and Liverpool are yet to join the clubWhat Pochettino has done with Spurs with regard to their performances and financial stability is much greater than what winning the fa cup, league cup or premier league for one season than going into obscurity the next. I imagine most clubs that are not in the top six would rather have this stability and great performance week in week out than, a season where they win a single trophy then battle relegation or finish bottom half in the league.
That is a valid to the extent that a club needs to assemble a team on a budget. As shown by Barca's recent acquisition of De Jong, while big clubs may be benefit from finding bargains, they are better served buying proven talent.You said it won’t get easier, but Pochettino seems to have mastered players development and finding good talent. With Winks, Skipp, Walker Peters, that Argentine defender and so on coming through, their fans have some players to watch out for in the future without having to spend a large sum finding these talent. So, just as Spurs loose Bale, Modric, Walker, etc., Pochettino will find alternative players to develop.
He is definitely not yet a winnerYou call Pochettino a perennial loser because you see things only in black and white. Which is why a lot of United fans did not foresee the failure of Mourinho.
There is nothing unique about his situation. Everyone is gets to register a 25 man squad to account for injuries.The fa cup is a dynamic competition in that a team like Milwall can come and defeat a team like United if they are not focus. This is what happened to Pochettino side today and on another day, they might have won. No manager want to lose, Pochettino just value the premier league competition at this time as more important. Furthermore, not losing anymore of their key players to injuries. He is in a unique situation where his team is depleted and is being starved by the higher ups. Pochettino focus right now is no doubt is retaining the champions league spot as showed with his emotions toward the last minute winner against a Fulham side last week in addition to the squad he put out today.
Cant believe someone thinks 'Spurs sounds like Arsenal' is a failure. Considering the status of the 2 club for the past decades it's a massive success.They’re starting to sound so much like Arsenal but without the success to have the undeserved arrogance.
“Wait until the new stadium is built and we’ll be able to compete with anyone”. Sound familiar?
I also can’t believe the love Levy gets from so many. Again it’s very Arsenal like. No one is saying he has to invest hundreds of millions but the squad needed even modest investment in the summer and he did nothing. He gets praised as a genius for demanding ridiculous sums. That doesn’t make you a genius. What makes you the furthest thing from a genius is telling your manager a player is staying against their will and dragging a saga out all window for a few extra million. They get a few million extra yes, but clubs now know you’re desperate for a replacement and demand higher. It’s like when Arsenal were elated to keep taking City’s money for Adebayor, Nasri not realizing they kept building up this club who eventually would overtake them. But hey they didn’t sell to United so they were happy.
Reminder that Moyes has done a fantastic job with Everton too , He made them went to UCL for some occasions and keeping them steady on top 6-7 for so many seasons. We don't want to repeat a mistake , once a small time will always be a small time. Poch is never going to survive here. 40m for serial bottler, i rather spend that for Mark Noble.The greatest managers in the world find a way of winning trophies mate. Dont deny he's done a fantastic job at Spurs but I've consistently maintained that I don't think he is for us.
I doubt many share your kind of imagination. Many would happily trade relegation for a PL title. Case in point, Leicester is forever among the PL champions while Spurs and Liverpool are yet to join the club
At that moment in time, Pochettino needed to develop these players and make those bargains signing. But now because of the stability he brought to Spurs, they can afford buying proven talent. It is up to the board to allocate the funds available to him.That is a valid to the extent that a club needs to assemble a team on a budget. As shown by Barca's recent acquisition of De Jong, while big clubs may be benefit from finding bargains, they are better served buying proven talent.
He is definitely not yet a winner
There is nothing unique about his situation. Everyone is gets to register a 25 man squad to account for injuries.
He didn't....He made them went to UCL for some occasions and keeping them steady on top 6-7 for so many seasons.
Bet fans of those club love their sweet trophies playing in League One or fighting Championship relegation today.Carling
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Whatever , He made Everton finish top 4 , but looked completely out of depth here , anyone who wants Poch to come to United should just become spurs fans instead cause there is 0 chance of Woodward and Glazer going to spend 40m to get a serial bottler. Beside player like Pogba will voice who they want as well and they definitely prefer Ole.He didn't....
Ok. Nice logic.Whatever , He made Everton finish top 4 , but looked completely out of depth here , anyone who wants Poch to come to United should just become spurs fans instead cause there is 0 chance of Woodward and Glazer going to spend 40m to get a serial bottler..
I think Poch is seriously underestimating the mentality and spirit a cup win can bring. Specially for a side which isn’t used to winning titles.
United fans speak of the Carling Cup win in 2006 that supposedly set up the next few years, but for what other team has that happened?
With his "Trophies only boosts ego" thing, that's a second howler in few days.
Maybe the true character comes out only when things don't go well. Or at least I guess every manager is smiling and lovely when things go well, they become a bit of an ass when things dont go well.
With his "Trophies only boosts ego" thing, that's a second howler in few days.
Maybe the true character comes out only when things don't go well. Or at least I guess every manager is smiling and lovely when things go well, they become a bit of an ass when things dont go well.
With his "Trophies only boosts ego" thing, that's a second howler in few days.
Maybe the true character comes out only when things don't go well. Or at least I guess every manager is smiling and lovely when things go well, they become a bit of an ass when things dont go well.
Partly true. But you do get a pass if you put your hand up and say we didn't do well and this is not what we trained for. You don't go about s**t talking about cups because you lost.After bad results people are going to twist however you answer to a negative.
errr?Bet fans of those club love their sweet trophies playing in League One or fighting Championship relegation today.
If the players have the mentality that they expect to win then they have already lost. The easiest way to lose a match is to have that kind of mentality.I have no idea what you are saying. If you expect a team to win a cup, that means they've already lost? Is that what you are saying?
This discussion reminds me of Suarez who was often criticized for not scoring enough in big games at Liverpool. Then he goes to Barca and scores in plenty of big games because guess what, he now plays for a better team.
I have no doubt about Poch being able to win trophies with a better squad than Spurs.
This discussion reminds me of Suarez who was often criticized for not scoring enough in big games at Liverpool. Then he goes to Barca and scores in plenty of big games because guess what, he now plays for a better team.
I have no doubt about Poch being able to win trophies with a better squad than Spurs.
Did he just say that ??? I am a huge Poch fan and still want him to take over. But that was bottom line stupidity.
All we needed in 2006 was a league cup and the rest is history. He really doesn't have a clue about the difference a trophy (however small it be) can make. It can really kick start your trophy haul.
Ok. Nice logic.
"One guy we hired a few years ago was a failure, therfore this other coach who is completely unrelated and in a totally different situation would surely be a failure too."
The average internet poster being totally incompetent at talent evaluation and unable to differentiate between situations is nothing new.
It is quite clear that caftards generally rate Poch, and if not for the likes of Glaston, you'd see less sarcastic posts about your team. Personally, I think Poch is a top manager but he either needs to be supported more by Levy and get more players, or leave to get a job where he will get the players to compete for top honours. If I were a Spurs fan, I'd personally support Mauricio and question the owners' willingness to invest in the team to help take that final step to the very top of English football.So I guess the criticism he gets is:
- He is just another David Moyes.
Can do well on a small budget, but nothing more.
- He is a bottler with a weak mentality/He is a loser
His team lose any match they are expected to win.
- He hates cups/wrong priority
He doesn't prioritize the cups, which should be a springboard to win more.
- He is not that impressive, all other teams are just in transition.
Pochettino's Spurs are performing as a 6th placed team, but gets 2nd/3rd because teams that should be above are just under performing.
Did I miss something?
It's only after Spurs lost that Pochettino has admitted he wants top 4 more than cups, plus they have a injury crisis now what with Kane, Alli and Son out(their main three creative players, even Liverpool or City or us would struggle if three of the main men go missing for a month). IMO he is just being sour after losing two cup matches, if they had Kane or Son or Alli they would have won against Chelsea or even in this match. You may criticize him for not trying to win cups last season or the year before that but he is 100% correct in prioritizing top 4 this season with the current amount of injuries.Again you're treating them like an underdog. That's the problem with these "resources and budgets" discussions. People are treating them like they have a much weaker team than the rest of their rivals. The fact that's not true. They have a WC winning GK, 2 of the best defenders in the league, the best English midfielder and an attack that'll go straight into their rivals team including the best striker in the world. They're not pushing above their weight. In fact you can't convince me their squad is weaker than the Liverpool one who's challenging for the league now or even Chelsea. This budget thing will make sense if they have a pretty weak team but that's not true.
The problem isn't winning trophies. The problem is their manager is undermining these trophies in his pressers and is acting like top 4 is far more than enough as a success, so he's a point at not even trying. He has thrown Fa Cup now and I remember him throwing Europe League away as well when they got out against Gent for the sake of top 4. They're basically finishing in top 4 to get enough money so that next season they sacrifice everything for top 4 again and so on. This underwhelming cycle is what Wenger was doing at Arsenal and was driving their fans mad at him. It's not like Poch is angry with that, on the contrary he comes to the pressers saying Spurs glory days were in black and white and top 4 is success while Fa Cup isn't an actual trophy.
The problem isn't winning, it's that he's not even trying and is content with regular top 4 finish. Top 4 ceases being progress at this point and it's called stagnation. It's the same season every year : Sacrifice everything to get top 4, get enough money to not spend much anyway, then sacrifice everything for top 4 again to not spend the money you get ..etc. What's exactly the progress in this ? This is fine in the first or second season but after that, not progress by any means whatever you look at it.
This Spurs squad is far more than enough to finish 3rd and win a Cup regularly. I find no reason why people are acting like they have to choose. It's just two, two ! competitions.
It's only after Spurs lost that Pochettino has admitted he wants top 4 more than cups, plus they have a injury crisis now what with Kane, Alli and Son out(their main three creative players, even Liverpool or City or us would struggle if three of the main men go missing for a month). IMO he is just being sour after losing two cup matches, if they had Kane or Son or Alli they would have won against Chelsea or even in this match. You may criticize him for not trying to win cups last season or the year before that but he is 100% correct in prioritizing top 4 this season with the current amount of injuries.
It is quite clear that caftards generally rate Poch, and if not for the likes of Glaston, you'd see less sarcastic posts about your team. Personally, I think Poch is a top manager but he either needs to be supported more by Levy and get more players, or leave to get a job where he will get the players to compete for top honours. If I were a Spurs fan, I'd personally support Mauricio and question the owners' willingness to invest in the team to help take that final step to the very top of English football.
It's only after Spurs lost that Pochettino has admitted he wants top 4 more than cups, plus they have a injury crisis now what with Kane, Alli and Son out(their main three creative players, even Liverpool or City or us would struggle if three of the main men go missing for a month). IMO he is just being sour after losing two cup matches, if they had Kane or Son or Alli they would have won against Chelsea or even in this match. You may criticize him for not trying to win cups last season or the year before that but he is 100% correct in prioritizing top 4 this season with the current amount of injuries.
If City had say Aguero, Sterling and De Bruyne out it would just mean it would be Jesus, Mahrez and Bernardo Silva out there. That is the key difference for a side like City compared to say Spurs. That is why they are probably going to win the league cup, still have a chance at the FA Cup and are still in the title race. They have a side strong enough that their rotated sides can still blow most sides away. Spurs do not.
Which is completely warranted. My takes have high accuracy rate of being spot on.I guess you are not one of the "average internet poster"? If that's the case, you do have a high opinion of yourself.
