A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

Needs to show some respect to 'lower' trophies.
It's not just lower trophies. When Spurs finally made it to the Champions League 3 seasons ago, he decided to field a weakened team because he had Chelsea on the PL weekend. It was a disgrace as Spurs weren't a regular side in the Champions League, and the whole point of being in the Champions League is to win it, fluky or not.

Guy isn't a winner
 
Even if it's true (of course it is), Pochettino has no business telling the fans that. Those comments are disrespectful to Spurs fans. What are match going fans supposed to to with CL football? They want to see their team win something.
There is sticking to a company line but that was foolish.
He needs to leave to show he has the mentality to be a top level coach. My opinion of him has taken a beaten today. The team he put out was a disgrace.
 
No. But bantz.

The inportance of the FA Cup or Carling Cup changes depending on who you are talking about. For Pochettino it's supposed to be this golden stamp of quality (and conveniently so). For Wenger, Mourinho, Conte... The goalposts get changed.

United fans speak of the Carling Cup win in 2006 that supposedly set up the next few years, but for what other team has that happened?
The Cups have risen massively in stock over the last 5-10 years - a club like Spurs are certainly in no position to overlook them. And the point you make about shifting goalpost has a clear distinction: the managers you mention are all PL winners, accepted with stripes and rank. For them, the Cups are a bonus or an addition to the CV. Pochettino has nothing like the regard they have and has shown no capability of winning anything to fall back on. Nobody really expects him to win the league at Spurs, but they really should be going hell for leather in any Cup they can contest. If, ultimately, that ends in failure, OK, but Spurs do not have the profile to simply overlook any trophy.

Chelsea under Mourinho hailed the Carling Cup win as the catalyst which told them they were winners and could go on to seek more of the same. It mightn't have been the be all of their season, but it gave them a taste of success, the occasion and the adulation, and from there, they were insatiable. City also wanted as many trophies in the cabinet as possible and celebrated like any team who have won no cups in decades should. They started waffling on about going for 'quads' from their such was their belief that they could now conquer 'the world'.

If the issues with Spurs and their roadblock is psychological, then winning a Cup is going to be absolutely huge for them. Chasing top 4, just to be in the CL, to then be out of the CL whilst not contesting the Cups again is just bizarre. How players who could be at perennial trophy-chasing clubs would react to that loop over a concerted period of time, well, nobody could be surprised if that alone is enough for them to want out. Just being in the CL as an also-ran is not as pacifying as having domestic Cups and medals and the memories that come along with it for any but the most elite of players who have their eyes on their league's title and the CL almost exclusively.
I don't see that. If someone offered Pochettino the chance to win a trophy, he would snap their hands off. He obviously wants to win trophies, but it isn't the be all, end all at Tottenham. He will be judged on getting Champions League football year after year because that brings in the money.

This is the downside of working under a frugal boss. Spurs have to be realistic and that means doing well in the Premier League and Champions League. Everything else is ephemeral. It does put into perspective Wenger's last decade at Arsenal because this was a manager who was super competitive until their stadium move. And when you balance the books, you lose all perspective of what is important in the game: trophies.

I'm sure if Pochettino had bigger resources and the pressure to win trophies was greater, he may flourish. He may wilt but we'll never know until he leaves Spurs. What is undeniable is he has a knack for improving players and their resale value.
Spurs would make a small fortune off an FA Cup win and have a massive rise in their profile, to boot! How much merchandise would they sell? Glaston goes on about their global fanbase, too - how much money is there in memorabilia for a club who haven't won anything in over a decade? Perhaps if they won something, they could afford to bypass the Cups, but at the moment it just seems foolhardy and a hiding to nothing. I'm not saying they should or can be without the CL, but at the moment, it taking precedence over a chance to progress in a Cup is a demoralising course of action. All these players now have is a desperate pursuit of the top 4 place and a pressurised run of even that if they don't get out of this slump sharpish.

It can't be good for morale to have this be your season time and time again.
Injuries shouldn't be an excuse. Palace are probably the worst home team in the league. They have 2 wins this season and are currently sitting at the bottom of the league...

Despite the injuries Spurs should still be favorites.
This is what bothered me today. The side Spurs put out was par with Palace, yet nobody is mentioning that, instead just focusing on the players they left out. I found it quite poor that the side they put out were so easily beaten. It raises more questions than answers, for me.
 
I have no idea why people talk like he can just snap his fingers and start winning domestic cups. The richest sides have dominated the domestic cups over the years.
At least give your team a chance. Why play a weakened side? The reason is not because they don't think they can win the cup. They just want CL money.
 
His comments about the FA Cup were Mourinho-esque in their contempt. Rather disappointing stuff.
 


I actually thought this was another article defending him till I realized that's an actual quote from him. Well you have it all now I guess. His prime target is to get top 4 so that next season he sacrifices everything to get top 4 again and so on.

We were mocking Arsenal for this shite previously but at least they were winning some FA Cups!
 
His comments about the FA Cup were Mourinho-esque in their contempt. Rather disappointing stuff.
More like anti-Mourinho. Mourinho is all about silverware that can be added to his name. Nothing else matters to him.
 
Well the new stadium won't pay back itself - they need CL money more than trophies at this point in time..
 
Well the new stadium won't pay back itself - they need CL money more than trophies at this point in time..
Yes and why Pochettino's comments are a true reflection of the club. He should also realise that's not what fans want to hear.
 
I have no idea why people talk like he can just snap his fingers and start winning domestic cups. The richest sides have dominated the domestic cups over the years.
If clubs like Southampton , Crystal Palace and Hull can get to semi finals and finals then so can Tottenham. And win.
 
At least give your team a chance. Why play a weakened side? The reason is not because they don't think they can win the cup. They just want CL money.
Premier league game midweek and to avoid more injuries due to fatigue. Pochettino does not have the luxury a United, Chelsea or city have to rotate their team and still put out a decent eleven. Heck even Liverpool who has a better team is already out of the fa cup and Klopp rotated out their best players. Where is the outrage that Klopp is not taking this competition seriously?? What Pochettino did was logical and the only negative today about Pochettino is that he is unable to work his magic and showcase how superior he is as a manager with a vastly subpar team.
 
If clubs like Southampton , Crystal Palace and Hull can get to semi finals and finals then so can Tottenham.

You would have to go all the away back to a few days ago for when Spurs played in a domestic cup semi final. And far back to last year the last time they played in a FA Cup semi.
 
For a club like Spurs, it probably will. Leceister is a great example of this. Won the premier league one season and the next season they were fighting relegation. Leeds under Beilsa seems more capable of winning the premier league than Leceister again at the moment.

What a club like Spurs should focus on is to continue gaining champions league experience, keeping hold of their top players, continuing to bring through their academy players, develop more special players like Son, Kane, Ali, Eriksen, and so on, keep hold of their manager, marketing and financial stability. Then, when they have a team, not just a first eleven capable of rivaling Arsenal, Manchester United, Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool and a stable economy, their priorities should be winning trophies.
They have the best team they have had in the last 50 years, and managed to win feck all. Erikson looks set to leave, Vertonghen is getting old, as is Alder. Lloris seems to be declining. It isn't going to get easy from here on, especially if United, Chelsea and Arsenal will put their shit together.

I would take one year of Leicester over 5 years of Spurs. You compete to win the competition, not to qualify for an another competition without any chance of winning.

It is funny however to see you stuck with supporting a manager whom is a perennial loser, while our own legend and manager is flourishing. United fans nowadays.
 
Another thing, how does top four take Spurs to the next level, which is what Pochettino implies?
They are like Arsenal. Just in a permanent state of existing. Not really going anywhere and not falling off.
 
I think Poch is seriously underestimating the mentality and spirit a cup win can bring. Specially for a side which isn’t used to winning titles.
 
At least give your team a chance. Why play a weakened side? The reason is not because they don't think they can win the cup. They just want CL money.
Agreed!

Because you need to rotate your squad and most PL sides use the Cups to rotate.
Depends who you are playing. Palace are wank at the back, but still a Prem side. Look at the teams City, United, Arsenal and Chelsea put - some against inferior oppositions as well. You need to take it seriously.

Why play Foyth, N'Koudou and Skipp when you have Wanyama, Lamela and Winks on the bench? You have only United, Chelsea and City left in the competition and have pretty good chance at going all the way.

Spurs are also playing Watford home next, it's not like they have tough away fixture to make a case of saving some players..
 
Another thing, how does top four take Spurs to the next level, which is what Pochettino implies?
They are like Arsenal. Just in a permanent state of existing. Not really going anywhere and not falling off.
Good point. The league is way to competitive to believe you can just “stay in the top four”. If you’re not gunning for the top, remaining a top four side is very hard. The margin for error becomes very small over time.
 
Premier league game midweek and to avoid more injuries due fatigue. Pochettino does not have the luxury a United, Chelsea or city have to rotate their team and still put out a decent eleven. Heck even Liverpool who has a better team is already out of the fa cup and Klopp rotated out their best players. Where is the outrage that Klopp is not taking this competition seriously?? What Pochettino did was logical and the only negative today about Pochettino is that he is unable to work his magic and showcase how superior he is as a manager with a vastly subpar team.
Klopp is fighting for the Premiership. Spurs only had the FA cup as a realistic chance of a trophy. Top 4 is only about the money unless he really thinks Spurs have a realistic chance of winning that trophy.
 
What will happen if he ends up out of top 4 now that he sacrificed everything for the sake of it ?
 
The problem is for Poch this Tottenham team isn’t going to stay together forever.

There is no guarantee they’ll get better, especially if they’re on a tight budget while they pay back the stadium.

I think they should’ve gone for it this year. They won’t win the league and they’ve got plenty of points ahead to keep top 4.
 
Agreed!


Depends who you are playing. Palace are wank at the back, but still a Prem side. Look at the teams City, United, Arsenal and Chelsea put - some against inferior oppositions as well. You need to take it seriously.

Why play Foyth, N'Koudou and Skipp when you have Wanyama, Lamela and Winks on the bench? You have only United, Chelsea and City left in the competition and have pretty good chance at going all the way.

Spurs are also playing Watford home next, it's not like they have tough away fixture to make a case of saving some players..

The bolded are not huge upgrades on the players on the left. Especially since Wanyama is coming back from a really long injury.
 
The FA Cup win was arguably the high point of the post Fergie years in terms of enjoyment, winning trophies (or the dream of doing so) is part of what makes football an enjoyable spectacle.

His comments are miserable and the antithesis of what we’re about.
 
Is he learning from Jose and looking for the sack?

"Trophies only build ego"

What's his point?
 
The FA Cup win was arguably the high point of the post Fergie years in terms of enjoyment, winning trophies (or the dream of doing so) is part of what makes football an enjoyable spectacle.

His comments are miserable and the antithesis of what we’re about.

Yeah remember how much Van Gaal got to enjoy it.
 
The bolded are not huge upgrades on the players on the left. Especially since Wanyama is coming back from a really long injury.
Still much more experienced. Lloris was also left out and there were Aurer and Rose as options.. He could fielded a much better team.
 
Its not just Poch but all the top Tottenham players too. Levy has them by the balls.

The likes of Kane and Alli signed 6 year deals in the last year when you think they wuld be looking to leave soon to try win trophies.
 
Had a look at the Fighting Cock (Spurs Forum). Found these:

A trophy is just a fleeting moment of happiness, but guaranteed higher income is progress. It's what will elevate us to another level and allow us to actually compete in the transfer market and eventually challenge for trophies every season.
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So winning trophies now is pointless, we need to get a higher income so that we can win trophies in the future.
We are neither set up as a cup team or good enough to win the league.

Worse for me is that Pochettino does not recognise the benefit it would go for the players' mentality.

Nothing much to crow about for a long long time.
How is another CL qualification going to affect future growth compared to a cup win . When we couldnt finish in the top 4, thats when top 4 was growth. Now we have managed to stay in the top 3 for a while, another CL qualification does nothing other than a little bit of money which didnt get used to improve the sqaud anyway. The next step is clearly to win something tangible that proves we arent some nearly men bottlers.
The rest of the posts are Spurs fans arguing and threatening to fight each other outside the Holiday Inn near Wembley on Wednesday at 18:00.
 
Had a look at the Fighting Cock (Spurs Forum). Found these:


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The rest of the posts are Spurs fans arguing and threatening to fight each other outside the Holiday Inn near Wembley on Wednesday at 18:00.

State of that first post. How can someone contradict himself that much in one sentence ? "Winning trophies is a fleeting moment, we need to get top 4 to generate more income to get these fleeting moments in the future" :lol:
 
They have the best team they have had in the last 50 years, and managed to win feck all. Erikson looks set to leave, Vertonghen is getting old, as is Alder. Lloris seems to be declining. It isn't going to get easy from here on, especially if United, Chelsea and Arsenal will put their shit together.
What Pochettino has done with Spurs with regard to their performances and financial stability is much greater than what winning the fa cup, league cup or premier league for one season than going into obscurity the next. I imagine most clubs that are not in the top six would rather have this stability and great performance week in week out than, a season where they win a single trophy then battle relegation or finish bottom half in the league.

You said it won’t get easier, but Pochettino seems to have mastered players development and finding good talent. With Winks, Skipp, Walker Peters, that Argentine defender and so on coming through, their fans have some players to watch out for in the future without having to spend a large sum finding these talent. So, just as Spurs loose Bale, Modric, Walker, etc., Pochettino will find alternative players to develop.


I would take one year of Leicester over 5 years of Spurs. You compete to win the competition, not to qualify for an another competition without any chance of winning.

It is funny however to see you stuck with supporting a manager whom is a perennial loser, while our own legend and manager is flourishing. United fans nowadays.

You call Pochettino a perennial loser because you see things only in black and white. Which is why a lot of United fans did not foresee the failure of Mourinho.

Klopp is fighting for the Premiership. Spurs only had the FA cup as a realistic chance of a trophy. Top 4 is only about the money unless he really thinks Spurs have a realistic chance of winning that trophy.

The fa cup is a dynamic competition in that a team like Milwall can come and defeat a team like United if they are not focus. This is what happened to Pochettino side today and on another day, they might have won. No manager want to lose, Pochettino just value the premier league competition at this time as more important. Furthermore, not losing anymore of their key players to injuries. He is in a unique situation where his team is depleted and is being starved by the higher ups. Pochettino focus right now is no doubt is retaining the champions league spot as showed with his emotions toward the last minute winner against a Fulham side last week in addition to the squad he put out today. He might still believe he even have a chance at the title(some might say they are in a better position to win that then juggle three competitions and win the fa cup), but with the team at his disposal that would be impossible.
 
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