HaHa, deluded spurs fan.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I genuinely don't know, it was an honest question.
So have just gone to do a quick google. Seems you are indeed right and Pochettino did resign and then join Spurs, though all of the articles talking about it also seem to reference the fact that Poch was pretty upset when Cortese left the club in January and was openly talking about leaving then.
In fact, doing a bit of reading, Poch seemed pretty obsessed with Cortese and his future at Southampton seemed entirely linked to him...what was up with those two?
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But of course clubs won’t actually keep the manager on the books. So once they resign it’s only a matter agreeing the compensation, the manager is gone.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter too. I wouldn't be surprised if he came here, but my gut says he'll stay.
Not exactly the scenario you lay out but managers move to other clubs whilst under contract, there's just a compensation payment to the club being left.
Spurs did it with 'Arry.
The media have ramped it up like mad. Every single platform I've heard are all talking like this is a done deal. BBC 5 Live said the general feeling among all the football writers is that "yeah, of course he's going to United."
It wasn't me who raised the topic.
As to your other question, I don't think United are any more likely than Spurs.
With a few small differences, this is pretty much how I feel as well overall.
I think there is more chance of Poch staying than leaving at the moment. I think, going by how he conducts himself, that he'll likely stay unless he feels betrayed by Levy.
Having said that, Spurs fans who are 100% sure he's staying are strange imo and similarly Man Utd fans who are convinced it is a done deal are...well quite arrogant at best!
Whilst Googling to check out what happened with Poch resigning from Southampton to join Spurs I had to laugh seeing this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...-Pochettino-I-will-not-leave-Southampton.html
January 2014: Poch - "The new situation is different. We are in the middle of our new project. Nicola knows of my decision to stay; I have spoken to him. I am fully committed to the staff, the players, the club and it would make no sense to leave in the middle of our path."
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11...oin-tottenham-hotspur-live-news-and-reaction/
May 2014: Poch resigns and joins Spurs.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...-Pochettino-I-will-not-leave-Southampton.html
January 2014: Poch - "The new situation is different. We are in the middle of our new project. Nicola knows of my decision to stay; I have spoken to him. I am fully committed to the staff, the players, the club and it would make no sense to leave in the middle of our path."
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11...oin-tottenham-hotspur-live-news-and-reaction/
May 2014: Poch resigns and joins Spurs.
I can see why.
Looking at it completely objectively, I don't blame them necessarily. Man Utd are the biggest and most well supported club in the country and one of the top 3 in the world probably. So the media will report on the story and they will go for strong opinions because that will get them clicks.
I think the reporter who insisted on asking about it during a Spurs press conference was disrespectful and I think the club shut him down excellently. I think Carragher's article for example was a bit disrespectful and I doubt he'd be saying the same if Man Utd decided to go in for Klopp, even though Man Utd are undoubtedly also bigger and more successful than Liverpool. I think the media are going way overboard, especially as I'm sure they have no inside line to either Poch or Levy and some of the reporting reminds me of that bs article about how Mourinho apparently walked around in dazed wonder like a child when visiting OT but there does seem to be a bit more balance in the reporting now and a few more articles about why Poch may still choose not to take the job.
We will see anyway.
Slightly disingenous as this is a report from the very same publication:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...it-following-Nicola-Corteses-resignation.html
Probably the most relevant parts of the article.
He said he'd stay until the end of the season and he'd reconsider then. He did exactly that.
Well, unless his contract specifically stipulate the terms of the resignation, the employee only has to respect a notice period, that notice period cannot be superior to 12 weeks. Now I suspect that you are confusing resignation and gardening leaves with restrictive covenants, the later can prevent an employee that resigned from working for a competitor, if such clause was in the contract the manager would have to "buy" it. And bear in mind that I'm not talking about a buy out clause.
Out of curiousity, who would you want replacing Pochettino?
Not really too sure to be honest. I guess the obvious choices in my head would be Howe, Jardim or maybe even Santo.
I don't watch all that much European football anymore but apparently Rose is doing an excellent job.
Then again, ultimately, what do we as fans really know. I remember there being a big debate in 2014 whether Poch or De Boer would be better. De Boer got a lot of shout outs for the fact he'd won lots of trophies and was clearly going to come in with a winning mentality....
Certainly the work the club has done in the last few seasons though has left us in a much better position to hire managers than we were even 4-5 seasons ago so we'd have to see.
Hopefully it is just Poch though.
Ah, that old chestnut. Hey guys, exceptions exist therefore it’s impossible to make informed predictions of the future based on the majority of cases
Exceptions are, by definition, rare. Doesn’t mean we should assume the norm won’t happen.
This talk about "employees" ignores the fact that most employees don't sign 5 year contracts for multi-millions per year.
It's highly unlikely that Pochettino's contract does not contain restrictive covenants - to be exercised at the club's discretion - to protect the club in respect of poaching by rivals.
If Poch announced he wanted to leave for RM, I doubt the club would exercise any restrictive covenants, because RM are not a direct competitor. The contract might even exclude RM or other European clubs from any restrictive covenants. But a Prem rival is a different kettle of fish.
Southampton’s owner was totally on board with Cortese’s idea and Poch followed. He then died and his daughter took over and basically had no interest in Southampton or football in general, had no ambition to build something. Cortese resigned, Poch said he would follow but decided to stay, then Southampton began selling players from under Poch, that was him dome.
So he resigned to take up a better opportunity at spurs?
Looks like it, why?
He has previous. Nothing wrong with resigning and seeking a better opportunity elsewhere. There’s no need to dress it up. If he thinks Man Utd are the next club for him, he will do the same as when you got him from Southampton.
We can cut all the crap out of this thread very easily. We don’t know if Poch will want to leave for Utd, it’s 100% down to him, spurs can’t do anything about it (except offer assurances of funds/ ambition etc) - if he wants to go, he will go, and if he doesn’t, he will stay. We have no idea what his thoughts are on the matter.
It’s a bit of a black and white way of looking at it. He resigned because the hole idea he was sold on evaporated over night, and the board then lied to him with regards players sales. He was initially going to stay with Southampton after Cortese left but the selling of the players was the last straw. He resigned and his it wasn’t immediately accepted suggesting it was seen as the best thing for all parties. If we’re gonna say Poch is a serial resigner, and for example we say he does join United, surely he would do the same if the PSG or National Team job came up, it’s not really realistic.
It’s not really a similar story at Tottenham as he has grown in status through the club and promoted from Head Coach to manager, being given more and more resposibilty.
Of course if he is that adamant on leaving he will, I don’t believe he will, of course I could be wrong.
What old chestnut? I didn't say it is impossible to make informed predictions did I? I said it is funny when people make cast iron statement as if they're fact or pass off their opinion as if they're facts.
You said the level we're at now is our ceiling. I merely said that you don't know that and then gave 3-4 examples, all of them actually related to Spurs specifically about how certain things which have come to pass would have been laughed out of the room 5 years ago. I didn't give some abstract examples about Serie B or the Emirati league.
Poch is 100% going to Man Utd or Poch is 100% going to stay. Both definitive statements by people who don't know the man and both equally foolish.
That is pretty much the crux of it.
And so many things have happened in the last 5-10 seasons that would have been laughed at 5-10 years before that. They are not exceptions and are by no means rare.
I don't care about Pochettino specifically, I simply told you what the legal framework was without clauses since none of us know any details. I also didn't exclude any covenants since I'm the one who mentioned them while you were pretending to understand what the subject was.
The reality is that you don't have a clue. We both think that a move to United is unlikely but neither of us can actually state it as fact.
He quit Southampton for a bigger club and he will quit Spurs for a bigger club when Real or Utd come calling.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
That's not the case. There are plenty of clues available in what Pochettino has said, including in the last few days, and what he has done (signing a new contract), but some people choose to ignore them.
I’m not saying he’s a serial resigner, but he’s not adverse to doing what is necessary to get what he wants. It doesn’t matter what the circumstances are - you don’t need to dress that up as if he had no other choice.
I have no inclination as to what he would do if offered the job. 6 months is a long time in football, and it’s certainly not the case that Utd are 100% intent in offering him the role - the new DoF will have a say no doubt. United recruitment should hopefully happen behind the scenes in any case, so this will all play out behind the scenes until the new manager is announced.
Smoke and mirrors my friend. No one would expect him to come out and say he wants the job.
Unfortunately for you, he would have said exactly the same things over the past few days whether he’s interested in the job or not.
Most managers don’t see out their contracts. Just means he gets a higher payout if he’s sacked.
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Do you often cite journalists who you actually disagree with to back up statements you don't actually believe?
I'm pretty sure you even carried on the idea that Spurs could just pay £6 million despite it being pointed out that it was a complete misrepresentation of the deal. The Journalist himself (a cricket correspondence btw) even tried to explain that the deal didn't mean what you were saying.
It's probably worse than the times you were deliberately picking odd time spans to "prove" Spurs had overtaken United.
People don’t usually tender a resignation unless they think it will be accepted. You may not care about the circumstances, I don’t really care. Your not saying he’s a serial resigner but he has form?? It seems your cherry picking everything that you want to suit your agenda if I’m honest. I’m not dressing anything up I’m simply stating the facts as they were reported.
He’s done it before, so is happy to do what it takes. That does t make him a serial resigner does it. It’s getting very pedantic now isint it.
People render their resignation because they want to leave (doesn’t matter what the reasons are). as I’ve said before the reality is that if he resigns, spurs can’t do anything about it, except get the best compensation/ restrictions on future transfers that they can with the next club.
I agree with you so I don’t know why you keep coming back
, who’s being pedantic?His football doesn't seem boring to me.
Also I think we should go the Madrid route of we want to lure him here.
He's supposedly a big Fergie fan. Let the old man do our bidding.
We have nothing to lose really. If it comes off great. If it doesn't we tried. Jardim would be my fallback guy if it didn't..
He's supposedly a big Fergie fan. Let the old man do our bidding.
We have nothing to lose really. If it comes off great. If it doesn't we tried. Jardim would be my fallback guy if it didn't..
The media have predictably been trying to sell our best players and move our manager to other clubs just as they have every year for the last 5. You guys complain about anti-utd bias in the media should try being a spurs fan. It's fecking infuriating.
I agree it's not boring but it's not as easy on the eye/ beautiful passing as Sarri or Pep or Klopp... Maybe it's do with the players he has as he doesn't have too much pace except Son. Also because his width comes from the full backs and they don't play with wingers.
It’s called being somewhat in the middle of the food chain. When you were chasing Poch from Southampton not one of you lot complained about it I wouldn’t have thought.. now the shoe is on the other foot (Poch being linked with a much bigger club) you don’t like it.
Agreed.
Ok mate. Hope you come back to me next season when we still have our best players and our manager intact.