A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

InLevyITrust said:
Warnock, so your gonna sack OGS now, what a clown Warnock is.

Tomorrow’s papers are apparently going to be Perez wants Poch, Bale in exchange. What an odd game football is right now.
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No, it's called a joke. He's feeling a bit sorry for himself and lightening the mood by saying something daft.

They played Leicester at home after the helicopter crash so Leicester would have been right up for it, and of the managers sacked so far they played United and Southampton at home immediately afterwards when teams can have that new manager 'bounce'.
 
Tarrou said:
Surely Poch will rule it out long before then?
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As has been said several times by me and others, he won't because he doesn't feel any need respond in that way to such stories. He will continue, as per the last several days, to talk about the Spurs project, the 4.5 years left on his contract, how happy he is at Spurs, his close working relationship with Levy and the massive work still to be done.

And Levy will be quite happy to see United left dangling.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As has been said several times by me and others, he won't because he doesn't feel any need respond in that way to such stories. He will continue, as per the last several days, to talk about the Spurs project, the 4.5 years left on his contract, how happy he is at Spurs, his close working relationship with Levy and the massive work still to be done.

And Levy will be quite happy to see United left dangling.
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It's the hope that kills Glaston
 
GlastonSpur said:
As has been said several times by me and others, he won't because he doesn't feel any need respond in that way to such stories. He will continue, as per the last several days, to talk about the Spurs project, the 4.5 years left on his contract, how happy he is at Spurs, his close working relationship with Levy and the massive work still to be done.

And Levy will be quite happy to see United left dangling.
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:lol:

This is going to be magnificent.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As has been said several times by me and others, he won't because he doesn't feel any need respond in that way to such stories. He will continue, as per the last several days, to talk about the Spurs project, the 4.5 years left on his contract, how happy he is at Spurs, his close working relationship with Levy and the massive work still to be done.

And Levy will be quite happy to see United left dangling.
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That's gonna sound pretty weak fairly quickly, as the press won't let up
 
Inigo Montoya said:
:lol:

Indeed, I'm jealous of their unparalleled success
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All of them trophies, that massive fanbase, the new cheese counter at the NFL Stadium...how will any club compete with Spurs from now on?

I just can’t get over how big they are now. A massive club.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As has been said several times by me and others, he won't because he doesn't feel any need respond in that way to such stories. He will continue, as per the last several days, to talk about the Spurs project, the 4.5 years left on his contract, how happy he is at Spurs, his close working relationship with Levy and the massive work still to be done.

And Levy will be quite happy to see United left dangling.
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He doesn’t feel the need to? What? Surely if he’s not event considering moving to United it’s simpler to just say it?
 
Vadim said:
All of them trophies, that massive fanbase, the new cheese counter at the NFL Stadium...how will any club compete with Spurs from now on?

I just can’t get over how big they are now. A massive club.
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They need a new stadium because they can't fit the trophy cabinet in White hart Lane
 
JPRouve said:
Not only you are correct but gardening leaves are also limited in time, it's an exceptional clause that goes against the right for employment. I would have to specifically check UK employment laws but you generally need to be well compensated and it needs to be relatively short, otherwise the clause(if it's a clause) could be voided.

Though, it's important to remember that employers can demand a compensation when an employee terminates his contract without cause.
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He isn't correct. The notion that a manager can unilaterally end their contract any time they want by simply saying "I resign" is laughable. It doesn't apply to players and equally it doesn't apply to managers.

Unless there is a buyout clause, the contract remains in legal force until the club either sacks the manager, with appropriate compensation for any years left on the contract, or chooses to reach some other agreement with the manager to end the contract.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He isn't correct. The notion that a manager can unilaterally end their contract any time they want by simply saying "I resign" is laughable. It doesn't apply to players and equally it doesn't apply to managers.

Unless there is a buyout clause, the contract remains in legal force until the club either sacks the manager, with appropriate compensation for any years left on the contract, or chooses to reach some other agreement with the manager to end the contract.
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It goes to a tribunal if Poch were to leave against Levys wishes.
Levy being able to name any price that he wants simply doesn't happen.
Spurs could try reporting Utd for tapping up etc but I'm sure Utd would cover themselves in such a scenario.
 
T00lsh3d said:
He doesn’t feel the need to? What? Surely if he’s not event considering moving to United it’s simpler to just say it?
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He's said that it's not his job to engage with rumours, whether about Real Madrid last summer, or United now, and that his focus is on Spurs and not on what the media want to know about other clubs.

People ought to take more account of what Pochettino does say and not pin their hopes on what he doesn't say. A year ago, before he signed the new contract, he said: "I hope to stay 10 or 15 years here. I would love to sign that contract".
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's said that it's not his job to engage with rumours, whether about Real Madrid last summer, or United now, and that his focus is on Spurs and not on what the media want to know about other clubs.

People ought to take more account of what Pochettino does say and not pin their hopes on what he doesn't say. A year ago, before he signed the new contract, he said: "I hope to stay 10 or 15 years here. I would love to sign that contract".
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Which also is management speak for "However,If another club comes knocking,I'd be foolish not to consider it."
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Which also is management speak for "However,If another club comes knocking,I'd be foolish not to consider it."
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Suit yourself.

I can't help it if folk insist on ignoring the many things that Pochettino has said about wanting to build a dynasty at Spurs, about much he feels at home with and emotionally connected to the club, and the huge potential he sees unfolding with Spurs.

Instead, those desperate to see him leave pin their hopes on what he hasn't said and/or their wishful-thinking translations of what he's said. Even when instead of just talking he acts to sign a new 5 year contract, this too gets ignored in favour of laughable speculation about him resigning and trying to force through an exit.

It's a classic case of people seeing what they want to see and ignoring all else.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's said that it's not his job to engage with rumours, whether about Real Madrid last summer, or United now, and that his focus is on Spurs and not on what the media want to know about other clubs.

People ought to take more account of what Pochettino does say and not pin their hopes on what he doesn't say. A year ago, before he signed the new contract, he said: "I hope to stay 10 or 15 years here. I would love to sign that contract".
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Sorry pal I disagree. It would be miles easier to put the rumours to bed by saying something. The reason he isn’t is because he doesn’t want to rule the move out
 
GlastonSpur said:
He isn't correct. The notion that a manager can unilaterally end their contract any time they want by simply saying "I resign" is laughable. It doesn't apply to players and equally it doesn't apply to managers.

Unless there is a buyout clause, the contract remains in legal force until the club either sacks the manager, with appropriate compensation for any years left on the contract, or chooses to reach some other agreement with the manager to end the contract.
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Zidane did exactly this at a much bigger club than Tottenham.
 
GlastonSpur said:
United have averaged just 70 points per season since Fergie retired, which is a level below Spurs ... a gap that will only widen this season. So the case for saying that United are at a higher level in footballing terms doesn't stand up. It's living in the past to claim otherwise.
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And during that time, came 2nd, won the FA Cup, Europa League and the League Cup - all better achievements than Spurs. Hell, even winning the Charity Shield is better than what Spurs have achieved!

Only last season Utd finished ABOVE Spurs. You sir, live in some sort of fantasy world.
 
Tarrou said:
That's gonna sound pretty weak fairly quickly, as the press won't let up
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Who cares. Poch seems to quite enjoy letting seeing them run around in circles, just as he did last summer concerning Real Madrid.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Who cares. Poch seems to quite enjoy letting seeing them run around in circles, just as he did last summer concerning Real Madrid.
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The fans do surely. You don’t think they’d appreciate him taking a minute to rule it out?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Who cares. Poch seems to quite enjoy letting seeing them run around in circles, just as he did last summer concerning Real Madrid.
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Being Real Madrid manager isn’t as desirable as being United manager due to the churn n burn they have there.

There is, no question, a good possibility that he will sign for United this summer.

I have a feeling Ole is going to do a great job and they will give it him though.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Sorry pal I disagree. It would be miles easier to put the rumours to bed by saying something. The reason he isn’t is because he doesn’t want to rule the move out
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So why didn't he do that concerning RM last summer? The same things were being said on here then .... "the silence is ominous" etc. etc. RM is much more of a draw for Pochettino than United, but he said nothing.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Being Real Madrid manager isn’t as desirable as being United manager due to the churn n burn they have there.
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United will likely be moving onto their 5th manager in just six years come the summer. That sounds pretty "churn n burn" to me.
 
Don't know what pleasure some of you get by playing 'We are bigger than you and we will get him nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah " and "No you're not " game. He will come if he has to in the summer. If not, then someone else will. Doesn't change the fact that United have a richer trophy laden history and spurs have been better run in the last 6. Him switching or not, doesn't change either.
 
Red Katie said:
Until the cheese goes bad.
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We do have to take the Cheese Room at Spurs new stadium seriously though. Poch is a tubby man and obviously enjoys good food.

The cheese on offer could be a deciding factor. We need to open up a similair thing in at Old Trafford but also include vintage Ports to compliment the cheese. That would be a game changer, right there.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
And during that time, came 2nd, won the FA Cup, Europa League and the League Cup - all better achievements than Spurs. Hell, even winning the Charity Shield is better than what Spurs have achieved!

Only last season Utd finished ABOVE Spurs. You sir, live in some sort of fantasy world.
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The conversation was about the average number of league points, singling out one season doesn't change average points-gap since Fergie left. The gap is there and getting wider.

So now, since the league points gap is clear, you wish to move the goal-posts and talk about trophies.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He isn't correct. The notion that a manager can unilaterally end their contract any time they want by simply saying "I resign" is laughable. It doesn't apply to players and equally it doesn't apply to managers.

Unless there is a buyout clause, the contract remains in legal force until the club either sacks the manager, with appropriate compensation for any years left on the contract, or chooses to reach some other agreement with the manager to end the contract.
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Lots have managers resign from their clubs. You are unilaterally incorrect. There doesn’t need to be a buyout clause

It happens all the time. A recent example of a far higher profile manager is below.

CM10 said:
Zidane did exactly this at a much bigger club than Tottenham.
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This makes interesting reading - and is actually a balanced article.

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/a...s-of-key-clauses-for-clubs-to-consider-part-2
 
He seems perfect apart from the fact he hasn’t won anything. There would be serious pressure on him to get a trophy under his belt from the off.
 
EwanI Ted said:
Don’t see Poch staying if Utd, Real or teams at that level come along. Not sure there are any more rungs to climb at Spurs, their level now is pretty much their ceiling. They’re generally consistent so if all the others have bad seasons maybe they can benefit one year. But they’re averaging 80 to 85 points per season, which is 10 to 15 points less than they need and I don’t see that gap being bridged.

Only questions are when, and which country he prefers.
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A team of that level has already come along and Poch is still here.

And I don't know, as I've said so many times in the past, why people make such definitive statements in football. If even 10 years ago I'd said Spurs would be the only club in London to qualify for the CL this season, you'd almost certainly have laughed. Or that we'd have the largest club stadium in the capital, again laughter. If you'd said we would have finished above both Man Utd and Liverpool more often than not in the past 5 years, you'd laugh. It was pretty much an accepted wisdom that our ceiling was occasionally fighting for a top 4 spot.

And moving away, if I'd said that City would be the dominant force in Manchester and break all kinds of records while winning the PL, nope. That Man Utd would never dream of signing a City player....who would have believed that in 2008? Or that PSG would respond to Barcelona trying to tap up their player by paying the release clause of the player they'd essentially signed to replace Messi in the long run.

There's no point making definitive predictions like that and I find it funny that people think they can be so sure about something like this.

Also, I don't think I've heard a group of fans as obsessed with cheese as the Man Utd fans on here while talking about the cheese offerings. You realise people won't just buying cheese boards in the main stands? It is an option in one of the premium suites and something I'd thought Man Utd fans of all fans would understand, considering the hyper commercialised nature of their own club.
 
GlastonSpur said:
The conversation was about the average number of league points, singling out one season doesn't change average points-gap since Fergie left. The gap is there and getting wider.

So now, since the league points gap is clear, you wish to move the goal-posts and talk about trophies.
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When did average points become something of merit to argue about. Looks like you are using this as the only barometer to support your argument. I couldn’t care less about average points over a 5 year period - does anyone else other than you?

Who do you think is more likely to win the league in the next three years, Spurs or Utd?
 
Vadim said:
We do have to take the Cheese Room at Spurs new stadium seriously though. Poch is a tubby man and obviously enjoys good food.

The cheese on offer could be a deciding factor. We need to open up a similair thing in at Old Trafford but also include vintage Ports to compliment the cheese. That would be a game changer, right there.
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https://www.manutd.com/en/matchday-vip/no7-at-old-trafford

Bespoke mobile cheese serving stations with Vintage Port
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Don't worry, if that's all that is holding back the move, seems Man Utd are already on board with the cheese idea. Strange that :).
 
I'm generally of the view that I don't think Poch will come to United, mainly because he's doing a really good job at Spurs and I feel like he'd want to see that through to actually winning something.

However, the one thing that gives me pause on that view is that it looks likely that he's going to face another few transfer windows with no money to spend. That's not only going to be frustrating for him but it's going to make his job a lot harder and the teams around and ahead of them won't be standing still.

The prospect of moving to United, being given a decent budget and having the chance to be the man to bring the club back to the fore might be too tempting for him.

I dunno. I don't think I'd be surprised by either eventuality. I certainly wouldn't be making any bold predictions though.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Lots have managers resign from their clubs. You are unilaterally incorrect. There doesn’t need to be a buyout clause. ...
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I didn't say that managers don't or can't resign. I said that resigning doesn't allow them to sign a contract with another club unless or until they are released from the contract they've already signed.

Players can also "resign" or refuse to play or train for their club, but they can't then go off and sign for another club unless give permission to do so by their current club.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I didn't say that managers don't or can't resign. I said that resigning doesn't allow them to sign a contract with another club unless or until they are released from the contract they've already signed.

Players can also "resign" or refuse to play or train for their club, but they can't then go off and sign for another club unless give permission to do so by their current club.
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I'm not acutely aware of the contract legalities for managers but the situation isn't exactly the same as with players for the simple reason that managers don't have registrations.
 
Notwithstanding the fact that resigning and just rocking up at Man Utd would go against how Poch conducts himself generally, I genuinely can't think of an instance when a team have wanted a manager and he just resigned from his current and turned up there immediately afterwards.

Can someone point me to a few examples of this?
 
africanspur said:
Notwithstanding the fact that resigning and just rocking up at Man Utd would go against how Poch conducts himself generally, I genuinely can't think of an instance when a team have wanted a manager and he just resigned from his current and turned up there immediately afterwards.

Can someone point me to a few examples of this?
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Isn't that pretty much what he did to Southampton?
 
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