Yes. Will do it as soon as I reach home. In an hour max.
90's Serie A - Draft Thread
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How do the fixtures for the next round work by the way? Do we draw them again or is there already something in place?
We could simply go ahead with winner of game 1 v winner of game 2, like we did in the Nationality draft, or have a new draw for QFs. I am fine with both methods.
BTW those who know that the guy they defeated cannot be the best loser (basically every winner so far except Brwned) can start picking the two players from the losing team.
On that note, any suggestions? I clearly need a better striker, do you think one of Salas or Zamorano can make a telling change in my team? Or should I strengthen my midfield and defense, by having a Nesta-Couto partnership and Boban or Hassler in midfield? Suggestions are welcome.
On that note, any suggestions? I clearly need a better striker, do you think one of Salas or Zamorano can make a telling change in my team? Or should I strengthen my midfield and defense, by having a Nesta-Couto partnership and Boban or Hassler in midfield? Suggestions are welcome.
post your team.
It's better you go with another draw. It's more fair and I am willing to make another draw.
Great. Thanks Zlatan. Once all games are done, you can go ahead and do the draw.
And this is my team :
with Festa as the sub.
and I have to pick from
with a young Pirlo as the sub.
And this is my team :
and I have to pick from
Is it possible to do player's trade in between teams? So, best Serie A players would still be on the next round. When we do our next 2 picks, we'd pick what's best to our team, and might leave better players because they're not suit to our formation.
With the trading, managers would have larger pool to select, and most best players would not be left.
With the trading, managers would have larger pool to select, and most best players would not be left.
Would take an awful lot of time if we do that. Almost like another small draft. I don't mind it though, what do the others say?
A new draw would be good, otherwise I'd wanna wait to see who my opponent picks plus I think the surprise factor helps.
I'd definitely take Salas, and one of either Boban or Hassler and Couto.
Any suggestions for me? I don't think I can bring myself to leave Van Basten or Donadoni behind but Ferrera and Berti might technically be better choices. What do you think?
It'll be a nice little break to the draft, also. You can just setup the deadline, maybe even one day should be enough. It'll also be fun to watch when one team is auctioning one player, and several teams try to outbid others.
Not that keen to be honest but I'm not certain I fully understand it either?
Not sure I understood it either. Not in for a bidding process tbh. It's painfully time demanding, and would be a huge risk, which we shouldn't consider to take after what has happened earlier in the draft.
What I thought was, we put all the players of the losing teams in one pool, and then draw an order (or reverse the initial draft order) and pick turn by turn. It would be two rounds only. Could be done, but like Fergus' Son said, would be a bit of a drag.
While I don't mind if everyone wants it, I won't really back it much. Specially considering that we already have had to think several times to finally come up with a decent way to go forward.
Not sure I understood it either. Not in for a bidding process tbh. It's painfully time demanding, and would be a huge risk, which we shouldn't consider to take after what has happened earlier in the draft.
What I thought was, we put all the players of the losing teams in one pool, and then draw an order (or reverse the initial draft order) and pick turn by turn. It would be two rounds only. Could be done, but like Fergus' Son said, would be a bit of a drag.
While I don't mind if everyone wants it, I won't really back it much. Specially considering that we already have had to think several times to finally come up with a decent way to go forward.
Yeah. I should make it more clearer. Just for instance of your team and Fergus'son's. Your team need a world class striker, while the team you can pick 2 players from (the defeated team, let say Team X) doesn't have the one you want/need. Meanwhile, Fergus'son's have an embarrassing rich pool of strikers to pick from (ones in his existing team + the team that he defeated). Then you two can struck a deal. For instance, Aldo wants van Basten, and let Fergus'son to choose any player from Aldo's team plus from the team X (where Aldo's can have 2 picks).
With the current system (no trade in), van Basten might not be on the second round, if Fergus'son decide another player add more to his team in overall.
I'd go for Boban or Hassler with Salas. You need to improve your striker but at the same time you can't really miss out on midfielders of their quality.
I don't fancy this idea.
You can't leave Van Basten, and then Berti would improve you more than Donadoni due to being a better fit.
Personally I'm not sure Salas is going to win you that many more votes so I'd consider going for:
Tacconi
Di Livio Nesta Signorini Brehme
Boban Tacchinardi Seedorf
Hassler Nedved
Amoroso
It's an unbeatable midfield, Hassler's more of an improvement over Caniggia than Salas over Amoroso I think.
Tacconi
Di Livio Nesta Signorini Brehme
Boban Tacchinardi Seedorf
Hassler Nedved
Amoroso
It's an unbeatable midfield, Hassler's more of an improvement over Caniggia than Salas over Amoroso I think.
The lifetime world XI thread has given me an idea for a future draft game. Players get assigned a decade, or even request a certain decade, and have to construct a team from that. Looking at Brwned's 60's, 70's, 80's 90's and 00's team, it was amazing how strong they all were. Since that's only 5 different teams, (6 if we include the 50's) we could have 2 players per decade or 2 teams per decade, in a round robin style game. Just an idea for the future. I'd be interested in who people would vote for for example if the 60's team played the 80's etc.
I can take a wild guess and say the 90s and 00s teams will win the most votes.
That looks strong. However, I don't wanna go narrow tbh. I have a quality wide player in Nedved, and a bunch of versatile midfielder who have played wide roles in their careers (Seedorf played on the left at Sampdoria and Hassler as a RAM at Juve) so I would set it up a tad differently so that it would give enough space to all players and add more variety.
I can take a wild guess and say the 90s and 00s teams will win the most votes.
Ha, yeah perhaps you're right. If our Premier League draft is anything to go by, the most recent players seem to attract the votes.
Hassler can play the wide role in the same way Nedved can, no?
Yep, that's what I had in mind.
I think that formation looks good, though when I suggested Salas I was thinking for him to line up with Amoroso, rather than replace him...
Aldoraine18: I am posting my player profiles here, as it was too long to PM. Tactical overview will follow shortly.
Starting Eleven
Francesco Toldo - Size (6'5"), reflexes, handling, command of area. This guy had everything required to be a top class goalkeeper. He played for the good Fiorentina squad in all the seasons they spent in the Serie A during the 90s. Besides being a top quality goalkeeper of this era, Toldo had consistency and longevity. 32 league games was his lowest total of games throughout all his seasons for Fiorentina, in a time when the league was 34 games in total. Infact, from the 93/94 season which got Fiorentina promoted and throughout the decade, Toldo only missed 3(!) league matches!
Italy being blessed in the goalkeeping department in the 90s hindered this guy getting more appearances. But when he got his chance he performed. When Buffon got injured pre Euro 2000, Toldo got the starting role. He performed exceptionally throughout the tournament and was elected in the tournaments All Star team.
Moreno Torricelli - Moreno was adept at all roles in defense, but he excelled at right back. In my opinion, he is one of the very best right backs available in this draft. He was mainstay in the Juventus starting 11 in his time there ('92-'98) and recorded over 150 appearances. He transferred to Fiorentina in '98 and was brilliant there aswell. This player possessed a lot of grit, heart and determination, and could bomb down the wing delivering good crosses aswell.
Torricelli has won pretty much every club competition there was in the 90s (excluding the Cup Winners Cup) and he appeared for Italy in the '96 Euros and the '98 World Cup.
Antônio Carlos Zago - A fantastic centre half who played for Roma in the later 90s. A.C. Zago formed a rock solid defensive partnership with Aldair and was simply known to the Roma supporters as 'Terminator'. This guy was a no-nonsense defender who possessed great tactical ability and was very good at reading the game. He collected 37 caps for Brazil, the majority in his time at Roma when he was at the top of his career.
Júlio César da Silva - No, I am not playing the QPR goalie as a centre half. Júlio César played for Juventus from '90-'94, from he was 26 until he was 31. In addition to fantastic physical and defensive abilities, he was a very good overall footballer. He possessed attacking talent aswell, and was often instigating attacks either by clever passing or by carrying the ball forward. This guy was widely considered as one of Brazil's best defenders in the early 90s and late 80s. In his first World Cup ('86), at the tender age of 23 he received the award for "Best Central Defender" for the tournament. He will partner his fellow Brazilian A.C. Zago well in the central defense.
Amedeo Carboni - This brilliant left back was the undisputed starter for AS Roma throughout his 7 year period there in the 90s. He amassed 186 league appearances for the capitol club during that time. Carboni was an excellent defender in addition to being able to bomb forward and deliver accurate crosses. He collected 17 caps for Italy, all of which were during his time at Roma, and was a starter in the '96 Euros under Sacchi.
Lothar Matthäus - This guy doesn't need much introduction. But I think I need to perhaps justify him a bit in this draft. Some of you have been a bit critical of Lothar, which I find a tad unfair. The man described by Maradona as 'the best rival I've ever had' didn't exactly have lackluster seasons for Inter Milan in his time there during the 90s. He scored a RIDICULOUS 16 goals in 31 league games in only the 90/91 season from central midfield. Some of you have also suggested that his personal accolades, even the ones from his time at Inter, as void. I am especially referring to Matthäus winning the FIFA World Player of the Year after the '90 World Cup. While it is true that a lot of this comes down to his performance in the WC, it would be ridiculous to deny his ability from this. Zidane wouldn't have won the same award after WC '98 if it hadn't been for his performances there. Anyways, I won't rant on longer for poor Lothar. Everyone knows what he is capable of, both as a box-to-box midfielder and as a sweeper.
Luigi di Biagio - In addition to being the most fearsome looking player in this tournament, this guy was a warrior on the pitch. He was the engine room of the inspiring Foggia side of the early 90s before he went to Roma in '95 were he collected 126 appearances before transferring to Inter Milan in '99. di Biagio had everything you'd want in a midfielder. He collected 31 caps for Italy and featured in World Cups 1998 and 2002, aswell as in Euro 2000. He was a key member in the '98 WC where he started every match for Italy.
Giuseppe Giannini - Giannini is a Roma legend who spent 16 seasons for the club from '82-'96. He was regarded as the supporters club symbol before Totti emerged as the heir to his crown. Giannini was a classy, creative central midfielder with the ability to create chances out of anything. He had amazing passing ability aswell as a fantastic understanding for the game but he could also chip in with a few goals on his own. 'Il Principe', as he was known, played over 400 games for Roma, including over 150 league appearances for the club in the 90s. He collected 47 caps for Italy. This guy, is a legend.
Dejan Savicevic - Savicevic is regarded by most people as one of the most techincally gifted and talented players that played in the Serie A throughout the 90s. He was a very versatile player who could play behind the strikers or on both wings. Savicevic was capable of the magical, and could produce goals for himself and his teammates out of nothing, often from a scintillating run with the ball at his feet.
Milan bought him before the 90/91 season for a fee around 9.4 million, at a time when the world record fee was 10 million. He had some troubles in his early days for Milan due to being a Berlusconi purchase rather than a Capello one, but when he got to prove himself he shone. He was the runner-up for the Ballon d'Or in '91.
Gianluca Vialli - Vialli is perhaps best known to a lot of us newbies from his days in Chelsea, both as a player and manager, but he was banging them in for Sampdoria and Juventus during his glory days in the 90s. Pairing up with his childhood friend Mancini, they were simply known as the Goal Twins (despite having varying manes), for Sampdoria before he was sold for a world record transfer fee of 12.5 million to Juventus in '92. He was a fantastic striker, with a special eye for the spectacular. Vialli featured for Italy 59 times, but he would have featured a lot more had he not fallen out with manager Arrigio Sacchi in the '94 World Cup. After that, Vialli famously declared he would support Brazil in that tournament.
Enrico Chiesa - Chiesa is one of only few strikers to score over 20 league goals in a season during the 90s. Despite being a bit of a journeyman, Chiesa banged them in for all the clubs he played for in the Serie A. He scored consistentl at Sampdoria, Cremonese, Modena, another spell at Sampdoria, Parma and FIorentina. He is perhaps best known for his spell at Parma, which was his longest one-club stay during the decade from '96-'99 where he formed a formidable strike partnership with Crespo. It was at Parma he became known as one of the best Italian strikers at the time. He featured for Italy 22 times scoring 7 goals.
On The Bench
Tomas Locatelli - Locatelli was a versatile midfielder who has featured over 200 times in the Serie A. He could play both in the middle of the park or as a left winger. He was most prolific in the 90s during his spell for Udinese, where he featured 93 times. Locatelli featured twice for Italy in the 99/00 season.
Starting Eleven
Francesco Toldo - Size (6'5"), reflexes, handling, command of area. This guy had everything required to be a top class goalkeeper. He played for the good Fiorentina squad in all the seasons they spent in the Serie A during the 90s. Besides being a top quality goalkeeper of this era, Toldo had consistency and longevity. 32 league games was his lowest total of games throughout all his seasons for Fiorentina, in a time when the league was 34 games in total. Infact, from the 93/94 season which got Fiorentina promoted and throughout the decade, Toldo only missed 3(!) league matches!
Italy being blessed in the goalkeeping department in the 90s hindered this guy getting more appearances. But when he got his chance he performed. When Buffon got injured pre Euro 2000, Toldo got the starting role. He performed exceptionally throughout the tournament and was elected in the tournaments All Star team.
Moreno Torricelli - Moreno was adept at all roles in defense, but he excelled at right back. In my opinion, he is one of the very best right backs available in this draft. He was mainstay in the Juventus starting 11 in his time there ('92-'98) and recorded over 150 appearances. He transferred to Fiorentina in '98 and was brilliant there aswell. This player possessed a lot of grit, heart and determination, and could bomb down the wing delivering good crosses aswell.
Torricelli has won pretty much every club competition there was in the 90s (excluding the Cup Winners Cup) and he appeared for Italy in the '96 Euros and the '98 World Cup.
Antônio Carlos Zago - A fantastic centre half who played for Roma in the later 90s. A.C. Zago formed a rock solid defensive partnership with Aldair and was simply known to the Roma supporters as 'Terminator'. This guy was a no-nonsense defender who possessed great tactical ability and was very good at reading the game. He collected 37 caps for Brazil, the majority in his time at Roma when he was at the top of his career.
Júlio César da Silva - No, I am not playing the QPR goalie as a centre half. Júlio César played for Juventus from '90-'94, from he was 26 until he was 31. In addition to fantastic physical and defensive abilities, he was a very good overall footballer. He possessed attacking talent aswell, and was often instigating attacks either by clever passing or by carrying the ball forward. This guy was widely considered as one of Brazil's best defenders in the early 90s and late 80s. In his first World Cup ('86), at the tender age of 23 he received the award for "Best Central Defender" for the tournament. He will partner his fellow Brazilian A.C. Zago well in the central defense.
Amedeo Carboni - This brilliant left back was the undisputed starter for AS Roma throughout his 7 year period there in the 90s. He amassed 186 league appearances for the capitol club during that time. Carboni was an excellent defender in addition to being able to bomb forward and deliver accurate crosses. He collected 17 caps for Italy, all of which were during his time at Roma, and was a starter in the '96 Euros under Sacchi.
Lothar Matthäus - This guy doesn't need much introduction. But I think I need to perhaps justify him a bit in this draft. Some of you have been a bit critical of Lothar, which I find a tad unfair. The man described by Maradona as 'the best rival I've ever had' didn't exactly have lackluster seasons for Inter Milan in his time there during the 90s. He scored a RIDICULOUS 16 goals in 31 league games in only the 90/91 season from central midfield. Some of you have also suggested that his personal accolades, even the ones from his time at Inter, as void. I am especially referring to Matthäus winning the FIFA World Player of the Year after the '90 World Cup. While it is true that a lot of this comes down to his performance in the WC, it would be ridiculous to deny his ability from this. Zidane wouldn't have won the same award after WC '98 if it hadn't been for his performances there. Anyways, I won't rant on longer for poor Lothar. Everyone knows what he is capable of, both as a box-to-box midfielder and as a sweeper.
Luigi di Biagio - In addition to being the most fearsome looking player in this tournament, this guy was a warrior on the pitch. He was the engine room of the inspiring Foggia side of the early 90s before he went to Roma in '95 were he collected 126 appearances before transferring to Inter Milan in '99. di Biagio had everything you'd want in a midfielder. He collected 31 caps for Italy and featured in World Cups 1998 and 2002, aswell as in Euro 2000. He was a key member in the '98 WC where he started every match for Italy.
Giuseppe Giannini - Giannini is a Roma legend who spent 16 seasons for the club from '82-'96. He was regarded as the supporters club symbol before Totti emerged as the heir to his crown. Giannini was a classy, creative central midfielder with the ability to create chances out of anything. He had amazing passing ability aswell as a fantastic understanding for the game but he could also chip in with a few goals on his own. 'Il Principe', as he was known, played over 400 games for Roma, including over 150 league appearances for the club in the 90s. He collected 47 caps for Italy. This guy, is a legend.
Dejan Savicevic - Savicevic is regarded by most people as one of the most techincally gifted and talented players that played in the Serie A throughout the 90s. He was a very versatile player who could play behind the strikers or on both wings. Savicevic was capable of the magical, and could produce goals for himself and his teammates out of nothing, often from a scintillating run with the ball at his feet.
Milan bought him before the 90/91 season for a fee around 9.4 million, at a time when the world record fee was 10 million. He had some troubles in his early days for Milan due to being a Berlusconi purchase rather than a Capello one, but when he got to prove himself he shone. He was the runner-up for the Ballon d'Or in '91.
Gianluca Vialli - Vialli is perhaps best known to a lot of us newbies from his days in Chelsea, both as a player and manager, but he was banging them in for Sampdoria and Juventus during his glory days in the 90s. Pairing up with his childhood friend Mancini, they were simply known as the Goal Twins (despite having varying manes), for Sampdoria before he was sold for a world record transfer fee of 12.5 million to Juventus in '92. He was a fantastic striker, with a special eye for the spectacular. Vialli featured for Italy 59 times, but he would have featured a lot more had he not fallen out with manager Arrigio Sacchi in the '94 World Cup. After that, Vialli famously declared he would support Brazil in that tournament.
Enrico Chiesa - Chiesa is one of only few strikers to score over 20 league goals in a season during the 90s. Despite being a bit of a journeyman, Chiesa banged them in for all the clubs he played for in the Serie A. He scored consistentl at Sampdoria, Cremonese, Modena, another spell at Sampdoria, Parma and FIorentina. He is perhaps best known for his spell at Parma, which was his longest one-club stay during the decade from '96-'99 where he formed a formidable strike partnership with Crespo. It was at Parma he became known as one of the best Italian strikers at the time. He featured for Italy 22 times scoring 7 goals.
On The Bench
Tomas Locatelli - Locatelli was a versatile midfielder who has featured over 200 times in the Serie A. He could play both in the middle of the park or as a left winger. He was most prolific in the 90s during his spell for Udinese, where he featured 93 times. Locatelli featured twice for Italy in the 99/00 season.
My team will feature in a 4-3-1-2 formation. Width will be provided by my brilliant fullbacks, aswell as the roaming Savicevic who employs a free-role allowing him to wreak havoc on my opposition's defense.
My team is very well balanced, with players that have complementary styles both in defence, midfield and attack. In addition, with versatile players, such as Matthäus and Savicevic, I can easily deploy various formations if the situation will need it. Such as the 3-5-2, 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or a 4-1-2-1-2.
Because most of tactics involves how you will play to exploit/stop a specific opponent, will I write a matchup report in my match thread when it is created and I know who my opposition is. (Alike to some of the posts I've made in other match threads)
Familiarites
- The brazilian centre back pairing of Zago and César will be able to communicate well and function superbly as a unit.
- Toldo and Torricelli played together in Fiorentina.
- Giannini(82-96), di Biagio(95-99), Carboni(90-97) and Zago(97/98-02) all played together at Roma. (Zago and Giannini times didn't overlap).'
- Júlio César and Vialli played together at Juventus.
- Chiesa was a young player at Sampdoria when Vialli was at his prime there, perhaps Vialli tutored Chiesa?
FM-style player roles:
Torricelli: Full Back
A.C. Zago: Stopper
Júlio César: Ball playing central defender
Carboni: Wing back
di Biagio: Ball Winning midfielder
Matthäus: Box-to-box midfielder
Giannini: Attacking Playmaker
Savicevic: Trequartista (free-role)
Vialli: Complete forward
Chiesa: Poacher
Congrats Stretford Kid on becoming best loser! Look forward to our match
me too
If Stretford kid doesn't want to add anything to his write up, I'll start the game.
What's the story now, kids? Do we all have to nominate one/two signings from our defeated opponents team before we proceed, or do we do the draw first and then draft these one/two players?
Also, apologies if I'm confusing the whole situation (I can't find any new draw anywhere), but is there going to be a new draw for the next round or is it already drawn? I know we have one more game to go before the quarter-finals are settled, but just curious is all.
Cheers.
Also, apologies if I'm confusing the whole situation (I can't find any new draw anywhere), but is there going to be a new draw for the next round or is it already drawn? I know we have one more game to go before the quarter-finals are settled, but just curious is all.
Cheers.
My call :
Everyone should pick players from their opponents before the quarter final draw.
Everyone should pick players from their opponents before the quarter final draw.
Agreed.
Yes set the match up mate n I'll add a write up to it later
Who does brwned take players from if I win my match?
It was decided that we are pulling back the teams that quit. So your game is a regular game where the winner simply picks players from the losing team. Brwned will pick two from Red Head Red's incomplete team.
Best option really.
It'll make the game more challenging, and thus, a lot more interesting. Everyone should get a real test of their tactical skills from here on in.
Done. I have used the starting formation from your last game. If you wanna use the formation you changed to in the middle of the game (5-3-2), tell me, I would change that.
Disappointed to miss out on Davids and Zenga, would've been perfect! Now I have the option to bring in Cannavaro and Del Piero, neither of whom I really need.
You clearly don't need Cannavaro, but Del Piero would be tough to say no to. He was unbelievable in 1998. Forget Serie A, he was in the top bracket in the world.
I'm going to take Franco Baresi and Didier Deschamps from Paolo's team.
Below is my flexible 3-5-2 / 5-3-2 formation:
Reserves: Massimo Crippa (DM), Alberigo Evani (LM) and Marco Simone (RW/ST).
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I'm thrilled with the two picks I got to add to my squad. Defence, particularly defensive midfield, was a little weak and Deschamps adds so much in this department. Baresi also strengthens the back line a great amount, and allows me to use a more conventional Serie A formation from the 1990s period.
Below is my flexible 3-5-2 / 5-3-2 formation:
Reserves: Massimo Crippa (DM), Alberigo Evani (LM) and Marco Simone (RW/ST).
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I'm thrilled with the two picks I got to add to my squad. Defence, particularly defensive midfield, was a little weak and Deschamps adds so much in this department. Baresi also strengthens the back line a great amount, and allows me to use a more conventional Serie A formation from the 1990s period.
I could go for Rossi and point to how he excelled behind a superb defence much like my own but realistically people will simply say he wasn't in the top bracket, so what's the point? Moller was a cracking player but there's no way of playing him in a 433 (unlike Sosa), and Del Piero's going to be less influential pulled deeper. Ambrosini's not worth going for. That's it really.
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