90's Serie A - Draft Thread

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Cool. Means we bring Baggio back into the game...

Only one thing, since we have 7 match ups, we would be repeating the best loser procedure for the quarter finals as well. So we would need another team to fill in at that point.

Also, while having Baggio back would be brilliant, the last team to quit was Red Head Red's. So probably that one should be brought back.
 
Would be useful to keep a record of the results.

KM 11-20 AldoRaine18 (06/09/2012)
Thisistheone 15-4 Anointed One (07/09/2012)
Brwned v stretford kid (08/09/2012)
Isotope v zlatan_Ish (09/09/2012)
Fergus' Son v Lifaboy (10/09/2012)
Paolo Di Canio v nahealai (11/09/2012)
Baconlars v Best Loser (12/09/2012)

Also, to decide the best loser, are we going to take the vote count difference or the vote percentage difference?
 
Only one thing, since we have 7 match ups, we would be repeating the best loser procedure for the quarter finals as well. So we would need another team to fill in at that point.

Also, while having Baggio back would be brilliant, the last team to quit was Red Head Red's. So probably that one should be brought back.

True, so we do Red head red for this round, and then Fergies' Gum in the next round?

Red head red : 1. Del Piero 2. Cannavaro 3. Vierchowod 4. Bierhoff 5. Moller 6. Rossi 7. Helveg 8. Ambrosini 9. ? 10. ? 11. ?

Fergies Gum : 1. Baggio 2. Djorkaeff 3. Pagliuca 4. Tassoti 5. Apolloni 6. Moriero 7. Careca 8. ? 9. ? 10. ? 11. ?
 
Sounds good, who will pick from red head red? The guy that beats the best loser or the winner of best loser vs me? Fairest if we just do a draw for it perhaps?

The guy who beats the best loser.
Yours v the best loser game would be like any other regular game, where the winner picks two from the loser.
 
Would be useful to keep a record of the results.

KM 11-20 AldoRaine18 (06/09/2012)
Thisistheone 15-4 Anointed One (07/09/2012)
Brwned v stretford kid (08/09/2012)
Isotope v zlatan_Ish (09/09/2012)
Fergus' Son v Lifaboy (10/09/2012)
Paolo Di Canio v nahealai (11/09/2012)
Baconlars v Best Loser (12/09/2012)

Also, to decide the best loser, are we going to take the vote count difference or the vote percentage difference?

It's the better one, just to avoid having the same amount of count difference.
 
Are I and zlatan_ish the next one? Should I post formation and such in here, or just PM Aldo?

EDIT: I'll just PM Aldo my formation, and post the write up in here.
 
Team ISOTOPE

GOALKEEPER
Giovanni Galli: Main goalkeeper during Sacchi's Milan success in the late 80's, this experience goalkeeper (1 FIFA World Cup, 2 Champions League, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 Serie A League winner) continued to be a regular starter in top division until 1994.

DEFENCE
Jurgen Kohler: A World Cup and European Cup-winning centre back. He widely considered as one of the finest stoppers or man’s marker ever in history of the game. A legendary German defender with 105 caps to his name.

Mark Iuliano: Played for Italy national football team in UEFA Euro 2000 and FIFA World Cup 2002. A strong defender aided with great height and is an accomplished man-marker. During the 90’s era alone, he had 2 League titles, while reaching 2 Champions League Finals with Juventus (where he spent 10 years of his career).

Vincent Candela: A World Cup and European Championship-winning French left-back. Capped 40 times for the national team, he relied a lot on his remarkable technique and dribbling accuracy when going forward.

Moreno Mannini: A League winner and Champions League runner-up right-back, he played 510 games for Sampdoria almost always as a starter. He was a very good marker, very fast and solid.


MIDFIELD – ATTACK
Ruud Gullit: Two times World Player of the Year, European Footballer of the Year, and Ballon d'Or winners is the epitome of Total Football ethos. George Best comment about him: ".. great player by any standards… By my reckoning that's what makes him an even better player than Maradona… You just can't knock them off the ball. It was the same with Pelé, Beckenbauer and Cruijff."

Gianfranco Zola: Nicknamed Marazola, many Italian considers him as the 2nd best no.10 Italy ever had. Started to reach his prime at Parma where he scored 19 league goals in two consecutive seasons. Other than producing some magical free-kicks, his vision and eye for a pass were truly brilliant.

Rudi Voller: Legendary German forward, featured in 4 World Cups, capped 90 times while scoring 47 goals for Germany. Started the 90/91 season on the back of winning FIFA World Cup 1990 (made Team of the Tournament), he lead AS Roma to win Coppa Italia and UEFA Cup runner up in 1991. Proven performer at the absolute highest level, his experience would be invaluable to his team.

Sérgio Conceição: Portuguese winger with 56 caps and 12 goals for his national team. He’s known for his speed and strength, combined with his direct dribbling and crossing skills that give many assists to teammates, and accurate shooting. During the late 90's, he won a League title, UEFA Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Italian Supercup, and Italian Cup with Lazio.

Wim Jonk: One of the best midfielders for the Dutch team in 1994 and 1998 World Cups (playing almost all games on the finals). Well known for his long range shooting; his passing accuracy, vision, and combative and hard-working style make him a good defensive/playmaker/box to box midfielder to compliment Dunga.

Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri (Dunga): A World Cup-winning Brazilian defensive midfielder with 91 caps to his name. A leader with outstanding stamina to dominate the game, and excellent distributor of the ball. Capable of pinpoint long pass that was a great tool to change the speed of the game with .

SUBSTITUTE:
Paulo Sérgio Silvestre do Nascimento: A Brazilian winger/forward that formed an effective striking partnership with youngster Francesco Totti and Marco Delvecchio at AS Roma, scoring 22 goals in 57 league appearances. A good dribbler even at top speed, he would be a decent impact player to come off the bench.
 
Wim Jonk and outstanding vision just don't go together.
 
Letme know if you need me to submit my team to be played today...

I will let you know in an hour but if you are going offline, then go ahead and post/PM your tactics. Zlatan has been online, but hasnt responded to the PM and so if he doesn't reply soon we will go ahead with your game. I already have Lifaboy's write up.
 
I will let you know in an hour but if you are going offline, then go ahead and post/PM your tactics. Zlatan has been online, but hasnt responded to the PM and so if he doesn't reply soon we will go ahead with your game. I already have Lifaboy's write up.

PMd you mate, go ahead.
 
KM 11-20 AldoRaine18 (06/09/2012)
Thisistheone 15-4 Anointed One (07/09/2012)
Brwned 16-14 stretford kid (08/09/2012) (Current best loser at 46.67%)
Fergus' Son v Lifaboy (09/09/2012)
Isotope v zlatan_Ish (10/09/2012)
Paolo Di Canio v nahealai (11/09/2012)
Baconlars v Best Loser (12/09/2012)
 
Wim Jonk and outstanding vision just don't go together.

Wasn't he linked up well with Bergkamp during their Inter's days? If 'outstanding' means world class no. 10, yeah, it's a bit stretched with Jonk. I'll change it into just 'vision', then.
 
Abbiati:
Current Milan Number 1. Has played over 350 Serie A matches. Replaced Rossi and was integral part of Scudetto winning 1998-99 season, with MIlan having best defence after Lazio in that season. Always been a reliable and a steady keeper.

Galli:
Led Milan defense in the final against Barcelona in 1994 when both Baresi and Costacurta were suspended
Very consistent and versatile defender for Milan. He had a great on field understanding with Baresi and Maldini.
Won 5 Serie A, 3 champions leagues and numerous other trophies with Milan.

Paolo Maldini(c):
One of the greatest defenders ever. Maldini's flawless reading of the game saw him frustrate and outwit forwards without ever seeming to come into close contact with them; his positional sense and organisation of those around him were enough to ensure he barely needed to tackle opponents at all.

Daniele Carnasciali:
Part of Fiorentina's glorious 90's team. Was a strong and tactically aware defender and will complement Maldini superbly.

Siniša Mihajlović:
He was a very combative defender, wonderful crosser of the ball and also highest scoring defender in Serie A history.

Diego Fuser:
was at his prime in 90's, a player of exceptional ability. Played as a right winger and scored important goals thoroughout his career. Lazio legend and Captain of the brilliant Parma team that won UEFA cup in 1998

Daniele Massaro
nick named “Saint Massaro” for his ability to get the decisive points. Was top scorer for Milan in 94 Serie A winning season. Also played as a left winger and during the UEFA Champions League he scored two great goals in the final match against Barcelona in 1994.
With A.C. Milan he won four League Titles, two UEFA Champions League, three UEFA Supercups, two European/South American Cups and three Italian Supercups.

Paul Ince:
A superb midfield anchorman, whose tackling, passing and work-rate earned him both domestic honours and international recognition. He is also one of the few Englishmen to really impress in Serie A and still revered by Inter fans for his work ethic and performances on field.


Albertini:
A Milan legend. Albertini had great insight into the game: it was him who dictated the timing of the team moving forward, which is why everyone called him the “Metronome”. He had extraordinary technical qualities as well as a truly admirable sense of fair play. During his time with Milan, he won 5 league titles, 2 Champions Leagues, 2 Uefa Super Cups and three Italian Super Cups. Scored some long range beauties in his time.


Dino Baggio:
One of the best defensive midfielders of 90's with strength, pace, and even could go up and score a goal or two. Was instrumental in Italy's 94 world cup run.He became a mainstay in the Juventus midfield, winning the UEFA Cup in 1993. After joining Parma's wonderful side, he won his second UEFA cup with them.


Marco Di vaio:
33 goals in 67 matches is brilliant return playing for bottom table side. His performances were noticed by Parma where again he sparkled scored 41 goals in just 83 appearances.He went on to become the 2nd highest scorer of the league in his third season for the team. Known for his speed, agility and his goal poaching abilities.


SUbsititute:
Tomas Brolin:
Parma and Swedish superstar, he could play as an attacking midfielder as well as an forward. Known for his technical ability, he won 1992 Coppa Italia, the 1993 Cup Winners' Cup, the 1993 UEFA Super Cup and the 1995 UEFA Cup.


FOrmation:

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Did Maldini play much at CB during the 90's? I always thought it was more towards the end of his career that he moved central. Might not be hugely significant anyway...
 
I would swap Mihajlovic and Maldini personally. Maldini is arguable the best left back ever, and Mihajlovic played mainly at centre back when at Lazio, when he played most of his best football imo.

I think its a strong team though - you've picked well.
 
Did Maldini play much at CB during the 90's? I always thought it was more towards the end of his career that he moved central. Might not be hugely significant anyway...

As far as I can recall he switched to C soon after Baresi retired, and then moved back to LB later.

I would also swap him though. He played LB under Capello.
 
I think Paul Ince is a better Gk than Abbiati. His ball distribution is much better. Maybe you should swap them, also, zlatan_ish.

Do it!
 
Well gents, apologies for the messing around on Friday there. I was away all weekend and wasn't near a computer so couldn't post my team, formations etc.

What's the deal with posting our teams by the way? Are we just allowed to post our squad and a sentence or two about each player? Or are we allowed to write a paragraph as to why we think our teams will win the game, i.e strengths, opponent's apparent weaknesses etc?
 
You can write whatever you want but don't make it too long that it can't fit with the other write up in one post.

Starting Zlatan v Isotope soon.
 
I have finished my write-up gents but after around 11pm tonight, I won't be online again until tomorrow evening. Is there a chance I can PM my write-up and formations etc. to somebody who will be online when Paolo's and myself's game goes live?

Sorry for the messing around fellas.
 
I have finished my write-up gents but after around 11pm tonight, I won't be online again until tomorrow evening. Is there a chance I can PM my write-up and formations etc. to somebody who will be online when Paolo's and myself's game goes live?

Sorry for the messing around fellas.

Sure, go ahead.
 
Wasn't he linked up well with Bergkamp during their Inter's days? If 'outstanding' means world class no. 10, yeah, it's a bit stretched with Jonk. I'll change it into just 'vision', then.

As far as I know Jonk was a classic 'keep the midfield ticking over' type, a better version of Nicky Butt. That's certainly the impression I got from watching him for Holland. Technically very unspectacular but a useful, dependable player to have in your team.
 
As far as I know Jonk was a classic 'keep the midfield ticking over' type, a better version of Nicky Butt. That's certainly the impression I got from watching him for Holland. Technically very unspectacular but a useful, dependable player to have in your team.

Cheers. Some Dutch likened Jonk to Philip Cocu. But, I don't mind a better version of Nicky Butt, also. :D
 
As I can't be online tomorrow when myself and Paolo go head-to-head, I have to post my write-up here. Aldo has kindly offered to copy my write-up, formations etc. into our game thread.

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Angelo Peruzzi – Won everything there was to be won in the Italian and European game. Twice Italian Goalkeeper of the Year in the decade, one-time Guerin d'Oro winner, three-time Scudetto champion, one Champions League, one UEFA Cup and numerous Italian cups. He was among the very best in the world for large parts of his career, particularly in the 1990s.

Dan Petrescu –A player who was exceptional in both defence and attack on the right (and a fantastic compliment to Fortunato). 95 international caps tells its own story about Dan Petrescu, one of Romania's finest ever footballers. To add to his 95 international caps, Petrescu also played in four major International tournaments during the timeframe we're discussing.

Igor Tudor – Signing for Juventus as a 20 year old in 1998, Tudor slotted straight into the Old Lady defence. His partnership with Montero, in particular, was excellent. Marcelo Lippi said of him, “"I can see him becoming our [Marcel] Desailly. He could do even better than Desailly did for Milan because technically he is a better player." Tudor played three games in Croatia’s run to third place at France ’98 in his one international tournament during the decade.

Paolo Montero – the fearsome Uruguayan Paolo Montero was an integral part of the all-conquering Juve team of the mid-to-late 90s. He could operate at centre-back and left-back. Two Scudettos, two Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Super Cup, one Intertoto Cup and one Italian Supercoppa in the decade. His partnership with Tudor, and understanding with Peruzzi, will be a crucial asset in this competition.

Andrea Fortunato – Fortunato could have been an Italian legend before his life was cruelly took from him by a debilitating illness. A natural left-back who was very solid in defence and excellent in joining in attacks, he was arguably the most exciting Italian talent in the early part of the decade. He was superb in his one year with Juventus, wearing Cabrini’s famous no.3 jersey and became a national team regular.

Massimo Crippa – A strong, combative midfielder, Crippa was part of the excellent Napoli side of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Crippa then went to Parma and continued his success there winning a UEFA Cup and a UEFA Super Cup. His strength in defence and game intelligence will be a good foil for Antonio Conte's creativity.

Antonio Conte – Integral midfielder for Juventus from the start of the decade, and was captain of the Old Lady during their heyday in the middle of the 1990s. One of the most decorated footballers in Juventus’ history, Conte won three Secudettos (five in total), one Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Cup, one Coppa Italia, one UEFA Intertoto Cup and two Italian Super Coppa (four in total) in the 90s. His leadership qualities are a great asset to any team, and along with fellow picks Peruzzi, Montero, Tudor and Mancini, are excellent options as team captains.

Alberigo Evani – A gifted left-footer, Evani was instrumental in Milan’s glorious 1990s spell. A regular throughout this period, he won three Serie A titles, two European Cups, two Italian Super Cups, two European Super Cups and two World Club Championships. Also a regular under Sacchi in the national team, Evani played in Italy’s World Cup ’94 campaign, scoring a spot kick in the World Cup Final penalty shoot-out.

Roberto Mancini – Mancio was as elegant a footballer in Italy during the 1990s. A prolific goalscorer who often played as a striker but his best position was as a no. 10 in my opinion. Serie A Footballer of the Year in 1997, and Italian Football of the Year in the same season. Played in the Italian team who finished third in their home World Cup, and winner of one Serie A and seven major cups in the decade we are discussing.

Abel Balbo – Balbo was one of Serie A’s most prolific goalscorers throughout the 1990s, finding the net 138 times in Italy’s top flight. Balbo scored over 20 league goals in a single season on two separate occasions, and reached the mid-to-high teens in three other campaigns. Balbo, although not overly tall, was physically imposing, great in the air and will be a perfect foil for Signori. A member of Argentina’s national team that lost the final to Germany in Italia ’90, he’s another of my team that has experience at the highest level.

Giuseppe Signori – Signori was the Capocannoniere in Serie A for three seasons in the mid 1990s; 1992/93, 1993/94 and 1995/96, as well as top goalscorer in the Coppa Italia on two occasions; 1992/3 and 1997/98. All in all, 188 Serie A goals tells its own story about the diminutive striker.

Reserve: Marco Simone - "The Goal Apostle", who had a phenomenal goalscoring record from the wing (although he did play up front on the odd occasion). 49 goals in 168 games for AC Milan, Simone also has a stellar trophy haul; four Scudettos, two Champions Leagues, one Intercontinental Cup and two UEFA Super Cups. He was also named Italian Footballer of the Year in 1994/95, and is a great reserve to have on your team.



Nahealai FC

4-4-2 (Diamond Formation) / 4-1-3-2
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Just a few points regarding my team and selection...

Familiarity:

  • Peruzzi, Tudor, Montero and Conte were all Juventus teammates, as well as Peruzzi playing with Fortunato at Juventus earlier in the decade.
  • Petrescu and Signori were teammates at Foggia
  • Signori and Mancini played together at Lazio, albeit briefly.
  • Simone and Evani played together at Milan during their glory years.

With four of my back five having a common denominator in Peruzzi, and a further one in the middle of the field playing with them also, I think this strengthens the backbone of my team greatly. Balbo and Crippa were the only ones who haven’t played with any other member of my squad at any stage of their club careers (although, Crippa played with many of my squad with the Italian national team).


Goalscoring:

My front three scored 482 Serie A goals in their cumulative careers. Marco Simone, my reserve, scored a further 57 goals in Italy's premier division, bringing my total attack to over 500 career top-flight goals. Very few people in the draft, if any, have that at their disposal.


Leadership:

Peruzzi, Tudor, Montero, Conte and Mancini are all viable and exceptional choices for the captaincy. Having these leaders on the field of play is a great asset and these players form the backbone of my team.


Playing Style/Tactics:

4-4-2 (Diamond Formation) / 4-1-3-2

  • Solid defensively with the four defenders playing in their customary positions. The onus is on Fortunato and Petrescu to play their natural attacking full-back games, supporting and giving width to the midfielders in front of them.

  • Crippa is expected to play between the halfway line and his own penalty area. His role is to break down opposition attacks and give the ball to Evani, Conte, Mancini and his full-backs to start counter-attacks.

  • Evani and Conte have important roles in helping Crippa with defensive duties, but to be much more expansive in attacking situations. Evani, in particular, will be expected to provide that bit of guile in the middle third of the field and to link with Mancini. Conte can 'double up' with Crippa as an extra defensive midfielder when the needs arise.

  • Mancini is expected to be the pivotal link between midfield and attack, and to exploit the gaps between the opposition's midfield and defence. His vision, ball-carrying abilities and eye for goal will be a great asset in this area of the field.

  • Signori and Balbo have only one directive: put the ball in the net. And there weren't many better than those two at doing just that. As previously said, not many teams in this draft can boast two 100+ career Serie A goalscorers in their sides, as well as two who scored mid-20 goals in a single season on more than one occasion each. The impish, speedy Signori will compliment the taller, goalpoacher in Balbo excellently.


Opposing Team:

  • On paper, Paolo's team looks strong. The front four look particularly good. However, I feel I have an advantage in the middle of the field as Paolo's midfield looks a little light.
  • With the mercurial Mancini in my no. 10 position, surely Deschamps or Katanic will have the role of man-marking him to prevent Mancini from doing terminal damage here. If that is the case, a midfield duo of Nakata and one of Katanic/Deschamps will get overrun.
  • On paper, my team doesn't look to have too much width but Evani played a lot out wide and Conte can be effective wide right, too. Paolo's side doesn't have natural width in it and I think combinations of Fortunato/Evani (Italian national teammates) and Petrescu/Conte can be effective in these areas. If Paolo's defensive midfielders try to cover these wide attacks, Mancini will have ample room to create havoc in front of Paolo's back four.
  • Reserves. I think I have the stronger bench to choose from in Marco Simone, a prominent member of Milan's glory side in the 1990s. Brian Laudrup didn't have the greatest of times in Italy from memory, and without coming across too critical, I doubt his introduction will have too much of a bearing on the voting, alá Bergkamp in an earlier round.
 
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