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90's Serie A - Draft Thread
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Cheers mate, same to you.
I've settled on Boban and Nesta in the end, which is unsurprising. Boban and Deschamps really improve my midfield, and will be good foils for Conte, and a Nesta - Baresi - Montero back three (with Fortunato and Petrescu as wing-backs) is also pretty strong.
A flexible 3-5-2 / 5-3-2 formation
Reserves: Igor Tudor (DC/DM), Massimo Crippa (DM), Alberigo Evani (LM), Marco Simone (RM/RW/ST) and Abel Balbo (ST).
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Just a few points regarding my team and selection...
Familiarity:
- Peruzzi, Montero, Deschamps and Conte were all Juventus teammates, as well as Peruzzi playing with Fortunato at Juventus earlier in the decade.
- Petrescu and Signori were teammates at Foggia
- Nesta, Mancini and Signori played together at Lazio (albeit briefly in Signori's and Mancini's case).
- Baresi, Boban, Simone and Evani played together at Milan during their glory years.
Peruzzi, Baresi, Nesta, Fortunato, Conte, Mancini, Signori, Crippa, Evani and Simone all played together in the national team at various points.
Goalscoring:
My front two scored over 330 Serie A goals in their cumulative careers. Abel Balbo and Marco Simone, two of my reserves, scored a further 200 league goals in Italy's premier division between them, bringing my total attack to over 500 career top-flight goals. Very few people in the draft, if any, have that at their disposal.
Leadership:
Peruzzi, Nesta, Baresi, Montero, Deschamps, Boban, Conte and Mancini are all viable and exceptional choices for the captaincy. Having these leaders on the field of play is a great asset and these players form the backbone of my team.
Playing Style/Tactics:
A flexible 3-5-2 / 5-3-2 wing-back system
- Solid defensively with the five defenders playing in their customary positions. The onus is on Fortunato and Petrescu to play their natural attacking wing-back games, supporting and giving width to the midfielders in front of them.
- Deschamps is expected to play between the halfway line and his own penalty area. His role is to break down opposition attacks and give the ball to Boban, Conte and Mancini, and his wing-backs to start counter-attacks. His understanding with the intelligent Boban makes this midfield combination very effective.
- Conte has an important role in helping Deschamps and Boban with defensive duties, but to be much more expansive in attacking situations, particularly moreso than Deschamps. Boban is my playmaker and will dictate how my team maintains possession and initiates attacks. Boban can also 'double up' with Deschamps as an extra defensive midfielder when the needs arise and both of them are well-versed with each others' games and styles.
- Mancini is expected to be the pivotal link between midfield and attack, and to exploit the gaps between the opposition's midfield and defence. His vision, ball-carrying abilities and eye for goal will be a great asset in this area of the field.
- Signori and Mancini have only one directive: put the ball in the net. And there weren't many better than those two at doing just that. As previously said, not many teams in this draft can boast two 100+ career Serie A goalscorers in their sides. The impish, speedy Signori will thrive on Mancini's genius in the attacking third.
Player profiles:
Angelo Peruzzi – Won everything there was to be won in the Italian and European game. Twice Italian Goalkeeper of the Year in the decade, one-time Guerin d'Oro winner, three-time Scudetto champion, one Champions League, one UEFA Cup and numerous Italian cups. He was among the very best in the world for large parts of his career, particularly in the 1990s.
Alessandro Nesta - Legendary defender who established himself as arguably the best in his position over the last 20 years. Nesta excelled from an early age at Lazio when he broke into the senior squad in 1993, becoming club captain at 21 and playing a huge part in their Scudetto and Coppa Italia double winning team at the end of the decade.
Franco Baresi – Voted "AC Milan Greatest Player of All Time" and widely regarded as the greatest defender of all time. Led the Milan defence for the best part of decade and was a key figure in Sacchi's legendary Milan team. Baresi was an attacking defender who assisted the team in counter attack's but never neglected his defensive duties. With Milan he won six Scudettos, three European Cups, two Intercontintal Cups, three European Supercups, four Italian Supercups, World Cup winner and, in 1990, won the Italian Player of the Year award, and in the same year came second in the World Player of the Year.
Paolo Montero – the fearsome Uruguayan Paolo Montero was an integral part of the all-conquering Juve team of the mid-to-late 90s. He could operate at centre-back and left-back. Two Scudettos, two Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Super Cup, one Intertoto Cup and one Italian Supercoppa in the decade. His partnership with Tudor, and understanding with Peruzzi, will be a crucial asset in this competition.
Dan Petrescu –A player who was exceptional in both defence and attack on the right (and a fantastic compliment to Fortunato). 95 international caps tells its own story about Dan Petrescu, one of Romania's finest ever footballers. To add to his 95 international caps, Petrescu also played in four major International tournaments during the timeframe we're discussing.
Andrea Fortunato – Fortunato could have been an Italian legend before his life was cruelly took from him by a debilitating illness. A natural left-back who was very solid in defence and excellent in joining in attacks, he was arguably the most exciting Italian talent in the early part of the decade. He was superb in his one year with Juventus, wearing Cabrini’s famous no.3 jersey and became a national team regular.
Didier Deschamps - A defensive midfielder by trade and world-renowned for his prowess in this position. As an international he captained France to the World Cup in 1998 and Euro 2000 victories. Deschamps, always credited with possessing extraordinary leadership skills, was the youngest captain in history to guide a team to a Champions League final victory with Marseille in 1993, the season before he transferred to Juventus in 1994. In his time spent in Turin, he partnered, among others, fellow draft pick Antonio Conte in midfield and went on to win three Serie A titles, a second UEFA Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup one Italian Cup and two Italian Supercups.
Zvonimir Boban - The genius of Boban was there for all to see in Serie A in the 1990s. Technically superb, his versatility (could play practically anywhere in the midfield) extremely valuable, the Croatian played a crucial part in Milan's exploits in the early to mid '90s. His vision and creativity marked him out as a superlative playmaker, and one which would grace any field, with players from any generation.
Antonio Conte – Integral midfielder for Juventus from the start of the decade, and was captain of the Old Lady during their heyday in the middle of the 1990s. One of the most decorated footballers in Juventus’ history, Conte won three Secudettos (five in total), one Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Cup, one Coppa Italia, one UEFA Intertoto Cup and two Italian Super Coppa (four in total) in the 90s. His leadership qualities are a great asset to any team, and along with fellow picks Peruzzi, Montero, Tudor and Mancini, are excellent options as team captains.
Roberto Mancini – Mancio was as elegant a footballer in Italy during the 1990s. A prolific goalscorer who often played as a striker but his best position was as a no. 10 in my opinion. Serie A Footballer of the Year in 1997, and Italian Football of the Year in the same season. Played in the Italian team who finished third in their home World Cup, and winner of one Serie A and seven major cups in the decade we are discussing.
Giuseppe Signori – Signori was the Capocannoniere in Serie A for three seasons in the mid 1990s; 1992/93, 1993/94 and 1995/96, as well as top goalscorer in the Coppa Italia on two occasions; 1992/3 and 1997/98. All in all, 188 Serie A goals tells its own story about the diminutive striker.
Reserves:
Igor Tudor – Signing for Juventus as a 20 year old in 1998, Tudor slotted straight into the Old Lady defence. His partnership with Montero, in particular, was excellent. Marcelo Lippi said of him, “"I can see him becoming our [Marcel] Desailly. He could do even better than Desailly did for Milan because technically he is a better player." Tudor played three games in Croatia’s run to third place at France ’98 in his one international tournament during the decade.
Massimo Crippa – A strong, combative midfielder, Crippa was part of the excellent Napoli side of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Crippa then went to Parma and continued his success there winning a UEFA Cup and a UEFA Super Cup. His strength in defence and game intelligence will be a good foil for Antonio Conte's creativity.
Alberigo Evani – A gifted left-footer, Evani was instrumental in Milan’s glorious 1990s spell. A regular throughout this period, he won three Serie A titles, two European Cups, two Italian Super Cups, two European Super Cups and two World Club Championships. Also a regular under Sacchi in the national team, Evani played in Italy’s World Cup ’94 campaign, scoring a spot kick in the World Cup Final penalty shoot-out.
Marco Simone - "The Goal Apostle", who had a phenomenal goalscoring record from the wing (although he did play up front on the odd occasion). 49 goals in 168 games for AC Milan, Simone also has a stellar trophy haul; four Scudettos, two Champions Leagues, one Intercontinental Cup and two UEFA Super Cups. He was also named Italian Footballer of the Year in 1994/95, and is a great reserve to have on your team.
Abel Balbo – Balbo was one of Serie A’s most prolific goalscorers throughout the 1990s, finding the net 138 times in Italy’s top flight. Balbo scored over 20 league goals in a single season on two separate occasions, and reached the mid-to-high teens in three other campaigns. Balbo, although not overly tall, was physically imposing, great in the air and will be a perfect foil for Signori. A member of Argentina’s national team that lost the final to Germany in Italia ’90, he’s another of my team that has experience at the highest level.
Angelo Peruzzi – Won everything there was to be won in the Italian and European game. Twice Italian Goalkeeper of the Year in the decade, one-time Guerin d'Oro winner, three-time Scudetto champion, one Champions League, one UEFA Cup and numerous Italian cups. He was among the very best in the world for large parts of his career, particularly in the 1990s.
Alessandro Nesta - Legendary defender who established himself as arguably the best in his position over the last 20 years. Nesta excelled from an early age at Lazio when he broke into the senior squad in 1993, becoming club captain at 21 and playing a huge part in their Scudetto and Coppa Italia double winning team at the end of the decade.
Franco Baresi – Voted "AC Milan Greatest Player of All Time" and widely regarded as the greatest defender of all time. Led the Milan defence for the best part of decade and was a key figure in Sacchi's legendary Milan team. Baresi was an attacking defender who assisted the team in counter attack's but never neglected his defensive duties. With Milan he won six Scudettos, three European Cups, two Intercontintal Cups, three European Supercups, four Italian Supercups, World Cup winner and, in 1990, won the Italian Player of the Year award, and in the same year came second in the World Player of the Year.
Paolo Montero – the fearsome Uruguayan Paolo Montero was an integral part of the all-conquering Juve team of the mid-to-late 90s. He could operate at centre-back and left-back. Two Scudettos, two Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Super Cup, one Intertoto Cup and one Italian Supercoppa in the decade. His partnership with Tudor, and understanding with Peruzzi, will be a crucial asset in this competition.
Dan Petrescu –A player who was exceptional in both defence and attack on the right (and a fantastic compliment to Fortunato). 95 international caps tells its own story about Dan Petrescu, one of Romania's finest ever footballers. To add to his 95 international caps, Petrescu also played in four major International tournaments during the timeframe we're discussing.
Andrea Fortunato – Fortunato could have been an Italian legend before his life was cruelly took from him by a debilitating illness. A natural left-back who was very solid in defence and excellent in joining in attacks, he was arguably the most exciting Italian talent in the early part of the decade. He was superb in his one year with Juventus, wearing Cabrini’s famous no.3 jersey and became a national team regular.
Didier Deschamps - A defensive midfielder by trade and world-renowned for his prowess in this position. As an international he captained France to the World Cup in 1998 and Euro 2000 victories. Deschamps, always credited with possessing extraordinary leadership skills, was the youngest captain in history to guide a team to a Champions League final victory with Marseille in 1993, the season before he transferred to Juventus in 1994. In his time spent in Turin, he partnered, among others, fellow draft pick Antonio Conte in midfield and went on to win three Serie A titles, a second UEFA Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup one Italian Cup and two Italian Supercups.
Zvonimir Boban - The genius of Boban was there for all to see in Serie A in the 1990s. Technically superb, his versatility (could play practically anywhere in the midfield) extremely valuable, the Croatian played a crucial part in Milan's exploits in the early to mid '90s. His vision and creativity marked him out as a superlative playmaker, and one which would grace any field, with players from any generation.
Antonio Conte – Integral midfielder for Juventus from the start of the decade, and was captain of the Old Lady during their heyday in the middle of the 1990s. One of the most decorated footballers in Juventus’ history, Conte won three Secudettos (five in total), one Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup, one UEFA Cup, one Coppa Italia, one UEFA Intertoto Cup and two Italian Super Coppa (four in total) in the 90s. His leadership qualities are a great asset to any team, and along with fellow picks Peruzzi, Montero, Tudor and Mancini, are excellent options as team captains.
Roberto Mancini – Mancio was as elegant a footballer in Italy during the 1990s. A prolific goalscorer who often played as a striker but his best position was as a no. 10 in my opinion. Serie A Footballer of the Year in 1997, and Italian Football of the Year in the same season. Played in the Italian team who finished third in their home World Cup, and winner of one Serie A and seven major cups in the decade we are discussing.
Giuseppe Signori – Signori was the Capocannoniere in Serie A for three seasons in the mid 1990s; 1992/93, 1993/94 and 1995/96, as well as top goalscorer in the Coppa Italia on two occasions; 1992/3 and 1997/98. All in all, 188 Serie A goals tells its own story about the diminutive striker.
Reserves:
Igor Tudor – Signing for Juventus as a 20 year old in 1998, Tudor slotted straight into the Old Lady defence. His partnership with Montero, in particular, was excellent. Marcelo Lippi said of him, “"I can see him becoming our [Marcel] Desailly. He could do even better than Desailly did for Milan because technically he is a better player." Tudor played three games in Croatia’s run to third place at France ’98 in his one international tournament during the decade.
Massimo Crippa – A strong, combative midfielder, Crippa was part of the excellent Napoli side of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Crippa then went to Parma and continued his success there winning a UEFA Cup and a UEFA Super Cup. His strength in defence and game intelligence will be a good foil for Antonio Conte's creativity.
Alberigo Evani – A gifted left-footer, Evani was instrumental in Milan’s glorious 1990s spell. A regular throughout this period, he won three Serie A titles, two European Cups, two Italian Super Cups, two European Super Cups and two World Club Championships. Also a regular under Sacchi in the national team, Evani played in Italy’s World Cup ’94 campaign, scoring a spot kick in the World Cup Final penalty shoot-out.
Marco Simone - "The Goal Apostle", who had a phenomenal goalscoring record from the wing (although he did play up front on the odd occasion). 49 goals in 168 games for AC Milan, Simone also has a stellar trophy haul; four Scudettos, two Champions Leagues, one Intercontinental Cup and two UEFA Super Cups. He was also named Italian Footballer of the Year in 1994/95, and is a great reserve to have on your team.
Abel Balbo – Balbo was one of Serie A’s most prolific goalscorers throughout the 1990s, finding the net 138 times in Italy’s top flight. Balbo scored over 20 league goals in a single season on two separate occasions, and reached the mid-to-high teens in three other campaigns. Balbo, although not overly tall, was physically imposing, great in the air and will be a perfect foil for Signori. A member of Argentina’s national team that lost the final to Germany in Italia ’90, he’s another of my team that has experience at the highest level.
Brwned and Thisistheone. Please submit your tactics. The game is scheduled for tomorrow.
Will pm you my team now Aldo.
Looking forward to this one. Should be a cracker.
Who did you take from my team in the end, Thisistheone? Baresi and Signori?
Who did you take from my team in the end, Thisistheone? Baresi and Signori?
Yeah damn right. Two of the best. Fingers crossed they can help carry me over the line.
Can't wait to see the final line ups!
So, when will the game start? Did someone just sabotage the lighting or what?
Did someone say lightning?
Ready to roll
whens this starting?
Looking forward to this match!
Waiting for Brwned. ...I think, unless there's something else I gotta submit? I'm waiting to see his line-up before discussing my tactics.
Yea waiting for him.
Hopefully we'll get the final up and running today.
Brwned still has a neck to neck battle in the main Draft. And I believe Ando (with Omar) also gets involved in that Draft, too.
Edit: Brwned is losing, actually. It's strange. Do people not value the role of playmaker and good CBs, anymore?
Edit: Brwned is losing, actually. It's strange. Do people not value the role of playmaker and good CBs, anymore?
Ah right. Must be draft over-kill for Brwned right now then. Happy to delay this match a bit longer if it helps.
Any word for Brwned, Aldo?
Not yet. I PMd him again. Seems he is busy.
Thisistheone, do you want to add your tactics before I start the game?
Very disciplined from Brwned, resisting the urge to take Baggio!
Go ahead and start it, I'll post some tactics then, cheers!
All over then, Brwned takes home the cup.
Thanks to everyone who was involved, and to Aldo for organizing it. Enjoyed it a lot! What a league it was in the 90's.
Thanks to everyone who was involved, and to Aldo for organizing it. Enjoyed it a lot! What a league it was in the 90's.
Very nice final! Good game and good draft thanks again Aldo, and if anyone is interested in another draft I'm in and will gladly help with an idea or anything else.
Thanks guys. And thanks everyone for making it a success even after all those hiccups faced in the way. Enjoyed all the games thoroughly.
Yes lifaboy let's get another 1 going
Not sure if we can have a third one in a row.
But if we can, I think a few got interested in the one where we have to pick players who didn't win Champions League/European Cup.
Yea get that 1 started
Are we doing players who haven't won either? All time?
I was looking more at 1990 onwards.
I think it will be really hard but I don't mind giving it a go, maybe only no champions league
I doubt this will generate the same interest, lads. If a '90s Serie A draft fails to attract sixteen dedicated players, I doubt a draft as banal as this one would, even though the idea itself is a good one. I can't see posters committing to the research and work involved.
16 x 12 = 192 players that haven't won the Champions League? Finding the top, top players from 1990 onwards that fit that criteria will be difficult and time-consuming.
16 x 12 = 192 players that haven't won the Champions League? Finding the top, top players from 1990 onwards that fit that criteria will be difficult and time-consuming.
You have a different idea?
I don't, as it happens. All I'm saying is if a '90s Serie A draft encounters problems in terms of dedicated participants, this draft will too.
And not only this one, virtually any draft that supercedes the 1990s era will as well.
That's why I suggested a talent draft to mix things up, or if you want call it a future draft, saying its 2016 or something and picking according to that, regardless of what happend before or what will happend.
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