Well you're a crap ref, Weaste is picking and choosing his arguments pretty selectively.
4 X 100 Relay USA
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I must to hit the sack now.
Good Night Weaste!
Continue your good work
Good Night Weaste!
Continue your good work
Why do you actually post in threads when you have nothing valuable to say? Have you posted in this thread with any value? I thought not.
It's a nice way to tell you to feck off. Unless of course you have something of value to say.
Night night worthless. Sleep tight, and don't let the bed bugs bite.
I only have one argument, and that is that it's silly to support people in the Olympic games because they hold the same passport as you do.
"Nationality" is not necessarily the same thing as "Race." Your kids wouldn't be ethnically Japanese, but, depending on the laws of the nation, could be considered citizens of Japan which, under the conventions of international law, would make them "Japanese."
Some nations are, perhaps, identified with a race or ethnic group. The Republic of Korea has steadfastly refused to recognize as Koreans, or citizens, or even as human beings the little ones born of Korean mothers and US service men stationed in that fair land. I suspect one could consider Chinese or Japanese as defined along primarily racial lines. From your European perspective, where the peninsula of peninsulas was split into tiny principalities based on ancient tribes, your jaundiced and superficial view of nationality might be practical, but across the pond, in places like Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, and the US (to name a few nations) nationality is not based on race but citizenship. "Nation" and, therefore "nationality" does not have to be of persons of a single race, nor nationality confined to only those of the majority race.
There is nothing halfwit about others pointing out that your definition of "nationality" doesn't purport with the life and political experience of much of the world and many of the people at the Cafe.
Okay, this clears things up. Weste really doesn't know the difference between race and nationality. Vijay, it's time for the "ref's decision."
Posted this earlier,
The passport which we hold is how we most commonly interpret where we're from. That may not make sense because we all obviously originate from somewhere else, but it is the norm none the less. If someone else holds that passport then they're from the same place. And in the world that revolves around the idea of borders and countries, being "from" the same place is something people appreciate.
Like I said, in terms of how the Olympics has changed (from an individual based event to very nationality-oriented), this may simply be media fueled, but it has caught fire none the less.
What I'm saying is that in the strictest sense you're right, but you can't expect other people to look at the games with that (your) perspective.
I think it is natural to support athletes from the country or countries that you are connected with in some way be it ethnicity, race, nationality, citizenship or whatever - we all like to belong to some degree or another.
Having lived in England until I was 30 and then in Australia for so long and having an Irish wife and family I have a quite complex set of affinities. with Football I suspect I'd support England over Australia but with Rugby and cricket I am somewhere in the middle. In fact when England played Australia in the Rugby World Cup final my wife asked me towards the end why I was cheering when either side attacked. Very odd.
Having lived in England until I was 30 and then in Australia for so long and having an Irish wife and family I have a quite complex set of affinities. with Football I suspect I'd support England over Australia but with Rugby and cricket I am somewhere in the middle. In fact when England played Australia in the Rugby World Cup final my wife asked me towards the end why I was cheering when either side attacked. Very odd.
Jesus christ!
Of course they wouldn't be Japanese. Their nationality would not be Japanese, it would be Lancastrian. They would be citizens of Japan. It would not make them Japanese! Being a citizen of Japan does not make you Japanese. Being a citizen on the United Kingdom does not make you English if you were born in London, or Scottish if you were born in Fort William - white, black, blue, yellow or orange. Your nationality comes from the nationality of your parents.
You lot are a right little jack in the box of little racists.
Exactly, none of it (flag waving) makes any sense. What the hell are you supporting?
What is wrong with making fun of the French for losing then? After all they are the French
We are at opposite ends on this one, and I question who the racist or uninformed buffoon is. You seem to equate race with nationality. I, on the other hand, equate "nationality" with citizenship. I found rather odd, stupid really, your example of a person with Chinese "nationality" being a US citizen. From my vantage point, that is impossible. Given a kid, born in the US, of US citizen parents, who happens to be of Chinese ethnic origin, that does not make him a person of Chinese "nationality." For that matter, I am not of the (mixed) English-German "nationality" because of the origins of my ancestors.
Your RACE or ETHNICITY, even your initial citizenship comes from your parents, but your nationality is subject to change. Move to the US, become a citizen, and you are "an American," not an American citizen of English nationality. It's really very simple. Race or ethnic group is a biological function. Nationality (like citizenship) is a political function (comes from the creation of "nations" and people living in those geographical/political entities). Even you should catch on.
The Chinese are a "race" are they?
Then you equate wrong.
Says you, and I equate your opinion to mean feck all, hope this helps
He's acting like little Ms Lilywhite, Daniel Levy
Well, in a country that size, there are a variety of ethnic sub-groups, so I don't view the Chinese a a single ethnic group, although they tend, from what anthropological sources I remember, to be considered in the same over-arching major "racial" group. Depends on how you divide the human race into its subsets. Same goes for Africa. "Negroid" might be recognized as a "race" as distinguished from "Caucasian" or "Asian," but there are significant differences between those who dwell east of the Great Rift Valley and those to the West, not to mention from north to south. Then again, idiot racialists like A. Hitler, had a bizarre desire to subdivide humanity into a plethora of "races" were most of us would only see slight ethnic differences, or none at all.
Right, I know that it's difficult for you, but a mother gives birth to 3 children (all from the same man from Chemnitz). One in Dresden, one in Hannover, and the other in Vienna. This was 1985.
All are German are they not? Their nationality is German? What you are saying is that one is Austrian, the other West German, the other East German, all different nationalities. No, they aren't all German with different citizenships.
You really do not get it do you? I really do not want to have to raise my voice with you. Change Vienna to Paris, the child becomes French? GTFO!
It's referred to as Mongoloid.
How about saying something of note or worth of reply or not saying anything at all? The latter being the better option.
No, this isn't difficult for anyone but you, with your baseless assumption that you have a monopoly on the truth. Racially/ethnically the kids are all the same. Race is not nationality.
I wish you would do the same, just because you are writing a lot of words, it doesnt change the fact that what you are saying is totally convoluted horseshit
Alex, as you know, here in the US the politically correct term is "Asian," which shows how pointless all this talk is, although Weste and I have been having a nice time insulting each other over semantics (not Semetics). Take several billion people, then tell the Hmongs, the Koreans, and the Pakistanis that they are all the same (for demographic purposes in the US) because they are "Asian."
I guess, the term Mongoloid has been around far longer, and you yourself used Negroid to describe the people of the Africa which is the correct anthropological word.
Regardless, that relay was sick last night. It didnt necessarily make me proud to be an American. I was just happy to see that cocksucker Alain Bernard end up with egg all of his face, the fact that he lives in France made it all the better
Regardless, that relay was sick last night. It didnt necessarily make me proud to be an American. I was just happy to see that cocksucker Alain Bernard end up with egg all of his face, the fact that he lives in France made it all the better
I think the problem with "Mongoloid" is the fact that the word has been hijacked to describe a serious birth defect, so its application in more generalized anthropological settings has been compromised. For whatever reason, "Asian" has been deemed an appropriate substitute, although there seems to be no groundswell to use European or African in the same capacity.
In your opinion, how about trying to say why you think that way? Posting smilies and other silly images just makes you look like a 12 year old little dickhead that cannot provide conversaton.
So tell me, why do you feel the need to support people that have the same passport that you have?
German or French is not a bloody race!
.....in regards to this race and the American swim team, I know a lot these people and swam for almost 20 years, and was on the US junior team when I was younger is that enough of a reason feckface. What's wrong with rooting people you know? And the French are pussies there are no two ways about it.
No French then in any of them? It's highly probable that you have a bit of French in you. You sir are an idiot.
You miss are a cnut
What is your ethnicity? May I ask this question?
Sure, Scottish, Welsh, German, and Native American, but that doesnt mean that mean that I dont consider myself 100% American
Weaste just accept your daughter is Spanish, in 16 years time creepy middle-aged men will be taking photo's of her!
Maybe I have delused ideas or something but I was under the impression that the majority of participants in the Olympics are representing the country they were born in. That is representing where they are from, the place where they were born in. There is something called national pride that the majority of athletes in the Olympics have. I don't think it's as easy as you believe to "transfer" citizenship. Well maybe it is but is isn't as common and transparent as you seem to believe.
And I understand what you are saying, I simply disagree strongly. That does not make me a halfwit. To be honest I thought you were a decent poster before this thread. Now I think that you are the halfwit.
I just think he is a tit now, I've long since known he was a few eggs short of a dozen
The Vikings came to Ireland before 800ad, does that mean that I am really Danish or Norweigan and not Irish? 
I better stop supporting the Ireland football team and watching Padraig Harrington. Come on Denmark.
I better stop supporting the Ireland football team and watching Padraig Harrington. Come on Denmark.Whilst I think weaste's views aren't totally in line with my own, so to speak, I can at least recognise he's trying to argue the point properly, as are others.
The real idiots in here are the ones writing childish one liners and posting picture and smiley responses because, I suppose, they feel that they're "too good" to be engaging in this debate. I mean, what's the point, when the other side are clearly wrong?
The real idiots in here are the ones writing childish one liners and posting picture and smiley responses because, I suppose, they feel that they're "too good" to be engaging in this debate. I mean, what's the point, when the other side are clearly wrong?
The relay was awesome and that was what the thread was about, Weaste just came on here to argue. I mean there is an anti-Olympic thread why not post his argument in there.