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One last comment: If an Olympic Games is about athletes competing with one and other only, rather than representing his/her own country, I can safely say that Olympic record can't be set easily, because in top level sports, the support from their own countrymen (plus the thought of competing not only for oneself, but for the whole country) will give that extra edge for the athletes to achieve the best, even beyond his/her normal ability.

That's what Olympic Games is all about!
 
WeasteDevil said:
Look, converse or do not converse. If you are capable of conversation, then try it, if not, don't. I'm not trying to converse with pictures.
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I will leave it at this, I think your argument is a load of shit, that is all
 
WeasteDevil said:
Are you seriously trying to compare supporting your "state" or "nation" to the club around the corner? Really? I hope not!
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Well you support United because you live close by.

Similar people feel an affinity to people living around them from their 'country'/'state' whatever you feel like describing it, deosn't matter whether they were originally German, French etc.
 
redevil2 said:
Everyone watches a Game and care about it shares the same common interest: Watching the best Athlete achieving the best. They can support certain individual even they do not belong to their own country. I for one support Michael Phelps in hoping he can achieve the record breaking mission, even he is not from my country! What's your point?
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My point is that people are supporting their "country" or "nation", when probably the athlete themselves do not give a shit. They are in it for themselves, nothing else. I seriously dislike association through passport.

Am I supposed to support a black man running for Great Britain because he has the same passport as I do, but not support his opponent from Spain because he doesn't have the same passport as me? In terms of "nationality" then the Spanish man is probably close to me than the British man, who could have immigrated to Britain only two years ago. Do you remeber the farce of Zola Bud?

So, what the hell on earth are you supporting other than holders of passports? Sorry, a black person or an Asian person can be British, but they cannot be English, because in theory to be "English" you need to be an Anglo-Saxon, thus why the Scots, Welsh, and Irish don't like them. Why do you think that is? Unfortunately, none of them are Scots, Welsh, or Irish either.

Do you see why it's all a little bit silly? It's basically cheering a political entity.
 
Psmith said:
Well you support United because you live close by.

Similar people feel an affinity to people living around them from their 'country'/'state' whatever you feel like describing it, deosn't matter whether they were originally German, French etc.
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The point is that a country such as the USA has no (YES ZERO) nationality, it's a big mixing pot of all sorts. All the USA is is a political land mass.
 
WeasteDevil said:
My point is that people are supporting their "country" or "nation", when probably the athlete themselves do not give a shit. They are in it for themselves, nothing else. I seriously dislike association through passport.

Am I supposed to support a black man running for Great Britain because he has the same passport as I do, but not support his opponent from Spain because he doesn't have the same passport as me? In terms of "nationality" then the Spanish man is probably close to me than the British man, who could have immigrated to Britain only two years ago. Do you remeber the farce of Zola Bud?

So, what the hell on earth are you supporting other than holders of passports? Sorry, a black person or an Asian person can be British, but they cannot be English, because in theory to be "English" you need to be an Anglo-Saxon, thus why the Scots, Welsh, and Irish don't like them. Why do you think that is? Unfortunately, none of them are Scots, Welsh, or Irish either.

Do you see why it's all a little bit silly? It's basically cheering a political entity.
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Clearly you had a problem with Cullen Jones being on the relay didnt you, racist.
 
Mexico and Canada are in North America, Uruguay is in South America
 
WeasteDevil said:
My point is that people are supporting their "country" or "nation", when probably the athlete themselves do not give a shit. They are in it for themselves, nothing else. I seriously dislike association through passport.

Am I supposed to support a black man running for Great Britain because he has the same passport as I do, but not support his opponent from Spain because he doesn't have the same passport as me? In terms of "nationality" then the Spanish man is probably close to me than the British man, who could have immigrated to Britain only two years ago. Do you remeber the farce of Zola Bud?

So, what the hell on earth are you supporting other than holders of passports? Sorry, a black person or an Asian person can be British, but they cannot be English, because in theory to be "English" you need to be an Anglo-Saxon, thus why the Scots, Welsh, and Irish don't like them. Why do you think that is? Unfortunately, none of them are Scots, Welsh, or Irish either.

Do you see why it's all a little bit silly? It's basically cheering a political entity.
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Doesn't matter if they are in it for themselves so are the United footballers, should we stop supporting United? The whole concept of supporting someone is pretty irrational. Bit of an extreme example but as a father Weaste, if your son runs in the 100m race will you support him still despite he's only in it for himself.

And the rest of the post is nonsense. Of course an Asian can be English, if he's lived in England for his whole life he's English. Doesn't matter if he's not Anglo Saxon, this is the 21st century not the Middle ages.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Not quite the same problem as the citizens of the USA had with Jesse Owens.
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Jesse Owens is revered here, and that was 70 years ago, long before you I were born. That isnt an excuse for you being a racist today.
 
WeasteDevil said:
:lol:

No shit?

So why call the people of the USA Americans then? Especially when the vast majority, 90%+ are not actually American.
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Of course they're American. They've lived their majority of their lives in that country, hence it makes them American.

Weaste, I get the impression you want to divide the world by race? There'll be only 10 countries max if we did it like that.
 
Psmith said:
Doesn't matter if they are in it for themselves so are the United footballers, should we stop supporting United? The whole concept of supporting someone is pretty irrational. Bit of an extreme example but as a father Weaste, if your son runs in the 100m race will you support him still despite he's only in it for himself.

And the rest of the post is nonsense. Of course an Asian can be English, if he's lived in England for his whole life he's English. Doesn't matter if he's not Anglo Saxon, this is the 21st century not the Middle ages.
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No, an Asian cannot be English, because that term relates to a nationality. So, a person can be Chinese and English at the same time? That is bollocks. A chinese person born to chinese parents in Britain or the USA is Chinese, yet British or USA citizens. This is not rocket science.

Supporting your local club is totally different to being somehow grouped into some collective on political boundry means. This is why it is silly. I have absolutely no connection to a black sprinter from Aberdeen any more than I do to a black sprinter from Naples. The only difference would be that I hold the same passport as the person from Aberdeen.
 
WeasteDevil said:
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No shit?

So why call the people of the USA Americans then? Especially when the vast majority, 90%+ are not actually American.
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Stupid argument 34, 90% of people who live here, have lived here their whole lives. Just because the US isnt as old as some others countries doesn t mean you can say that their citizens arent American.
 
Alex said:
Stupid argument 34, 90% of people who live here, have lived here their whole lives. Just because the US isnt as old as some others countries doesn t mean you can say that their citizens arent American.
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You can live where you want, the only peopl that are native to the USA are the indians. Apart from them there are no nationals of the USA, everyone else is an immigrant. There is no such thing as nationality of the USA, only citizenship. If you want to carry on along this line because of your stupidity, then do so.
 
People have been moving around the world since humans have been around, are the people in Britain now the ones who were first there. No there have been several tribes/civilizations that have flowed through.

Why are your pantys in such a twist, you clearly have issues, so why dont you go play some video games and make yourself feel better.
 
WeasteDevil said:
My point is that people are supporting their "country" or "nation", when probably the athlete themselves do not give a shit. They are in it for themselves, nothing else. I seriously dislike association through passport.
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You have never been an Olympian, and hence can't say the athlete does not give a shit. And for your information, it's a FACT that when one is competing for more than one person (himself/herself) it will give him/her more energy to compete. That's why athlete performs in the highest levels in a Game that happens once in 4 years and they do not care about the other glories.

They care about the Olympic Glory, because of the esteem attached to the Games. And what gives the Games such an importance? Answer: because the athlete is representing more than him/herself. The Olympic Games would be MEANINGLESS if the athletes are there to represent ONLY him/herself, hence will make the Games less enjoyable to watch (because no such importance is attached to it any more!) The rest of the world, mostly approves of such systems, i.e. passports attaching to people with approved process to make them a legal holder of it. If it's not you, so be it. But you can't change world by arguing that you dislike it.

The fact that you dislike the passport association is your problem but not a legit argument to the TRUE meaning of the Games. You may dislike having to carry a passport to go through borders, but you have to do it, just because that sets the world order. You may dislike it, but that doesn't give you a reason to say, the world is not made up of countries!

WeasteDevil said:
Am I supposed to support a black man running for Great Britain because he has the same passport as I do, but not support his opponent from Spain because he doesn't have the same passport as me?
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Again it is your own personal problem for not liking to support a person who adopt your country as his own. The majority of us have no problem with the system giving immigrants the right to represent the country. You obviously do not approve of a black man representing you, cos he is of a different ethnic race, but in the system, he is legally given that right! Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. If the majority of the people in that country support that person, that's enough.

WeasteDevil said:
In terms of "nationality" then the Spanish man is probably close to me than the British man, who could have immigrated to Britain only two years ago. Do you remeber the farce of Zola Bud?

So, what the hell on earth are you supporting other than holders of passports? Sorry, a black person or an Asian person can be British, but they cannot be English, because in theory to be "English" you need to be an Anglo-Saxon, thus why the Scots, Welsh, and Irish don't like them. Why do you think that is? Unfortunately, none of them are Scots, Welsh, or Irish either.

Do you see why it's all a little bit silly? It's basically cheering a political entity.
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Again your 'argument' is so lame! The fact that you do not like to support them doesn't mean a thing! I can be British but might go all out to support the Americans simple because they have achieved alot and achieved the highest for example. I can support Michael Phelps individually but I also can support the American teams. It's my preference.
 
redevil2 said:
You have never been an Olympian, and hence can't say the athlete does not give a shit. And for your information, it's a FACT that when one is competing for more than one person (himself/herself) it will give him/her more energy to compete. That's why athlete performs in the highest levels in a Game that happens once in 4 years and they do not care about the other glories.

They care about the Olympic Glory, because of the esteem attached to the Games. And what gives the Games such an importance? Answer: because the athlete is representing more than him/herself. The Olympic Games would be MEANINGLESS if the athletes are there to represent ONLY him/herself, hence will make the Games less enjoyable to watch (because no such importance is attached to it any more!) The rest of the world, mostly approves of such systems, i.e. passports attaching to people with approved process to make them a legal holder of it. If it's not you, so be it. But you can't change world by arguing that you dislike it.

The fact that you dislike the passport association is your problem but not a legit argument to the TRUE meaning of the Games. You may dislike having to carry a passport to go through borders, but you have to do it, just because that sets the world order. You may dislike it, but that doesn't give you a reason to say, the world is not made up of countries!



Again it is your own personal problem for not liking to support a person who adopt your country as his own. The majority of us have no problem with the system giving immigrants the right to represent the country. You obviously do not approve of a black man representing you, cos he is of a different ethnic race, but in the system, he is legally given that right! Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. If the majority of the people in that country support that person, that's enough.



Again your 'argument' is so lame! The fact that you do not like to support them doesn't mean a thing! I can be British but might go all out to support the Americans simple because they have achieved alot and achieved the highest for example. I can support Michael Phelps individually but I also can support the American teams. It's my preference.
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Weaste was an Olympian, just in the Special Olympics
 
WeasteDevil said:
No, an Asian cannot be English, because that term relates to a nationality. So, a person can be Chinese and English at the same time? That is bollocks. A chinese person born to chinese parents in Britain or the USA is Chinese, yet British or USA citizens. This is not rocket science.

Supporting your local club is totally different to being somehow grouped into some collective on political boundry means. This is why it is silly. I have absolutely no connection to a black sprinter from Aberdeen any more than I do to a black sprinter from Naples. The only difference would be that I hold the same passport as the person from Aberdeen.
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Yes, he can. Chinese is his race, English is his nationality.

Extend supporting your local club to something bigger (i.e the local country) and you have why people support their country.
 
Alex said:
People have been moving around the world since humans have been around, are the people in Britain now the ones who were first there. No there have been several tribes/civilizations that have flowed through.

Why are your pantys in such a twist, you clearly have issues, so why dont you go play some video games and make yourself feel better.
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I actually don't play video games very often, I've not even turned my PS3 on for over a week. So again, you are talking bollocks.

Tribes/civilizations flowing through? Nationality is linked to ethnicity, it's a sub-set. The USA is a political state dominated by white Europeans of all sorts of backgrounds and jews. It is and never will be a nation, the very name of the state "The United States" should make this clear to you. Even if you were 100% full of Irish, you still would not have a nationality, because your nationality would be Irish. Well, maybe, but the Irish do not exist.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I actually don't play video games very often, I've not even turned my PS3 on for over a week. So again, you are talking bollocks.

Tribes/civilizations flowing through? Nationality is linked to ethnicity, it's a sub-set. The USA is a political state dominated by white Europeans of all sorts of backgrounds and jews. It is and never will be a nation, the very name of the state "The United States" should make this clear to you. Even if you were 100% full of Irish, you still would not have a nationality, because your nationality would be Irish. Well, maybe, but the Irish do not exist.
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:rolleyes:
 
FFS this is tedious.

Weaste you need to learn your definitions:

nation- a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own
 
Alex said:
:rolleyes:
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There you go again.

Brilliant.

The only people who are nationals to North America are the "Indians" and the fecking Eskimos. Before Colon turned up, that's what it was.

A son of a son of a son of a German that went to the USA in 1898 is not an American, he's a German. It's not rocket science.

The USA is a STATE, it is not a NATION. If you are too thick to understand the difference I cannot be arsed anymore trying to educate your simple brain.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Tribes/civilizations flowing through? Nationality is linked to ethnicity, it's a sub-set. The USA is a political state dominated by white Europeans of all sorts of backgrounds and jews. It is and never will be a nation, the very name of the state "The United States" should make this clear to you. Even if you were 100% full of Irish, you still would not have a nationality, because your nationality would be Irish. Well, maybe, but the Irish do not exist.
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I have a feeling that you hate the world, hate the system, hate what is there for you. fact of matter is, you can think whatever you like, the world does not change just because you do not like it.

The whole world is wrong, and you are the only one who is right!? That's a sad state of mind and I pity you.
 
redevil2 said:
I have a feeling that you hate the world, hate the system, hate what is there for you. fact of matter is, you can think whatever you like, the world does not change just because you do not like it.

The whole world is wrong, and you are the only one who is right!? That's a sad state of mind and I pity you.
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No, I'm just trying to point out some basic things. Why should I support a black man from Newcastle rather than a white man from Valencia? Why?
 
WeasteDevil said:
Do you remember the farce of Zola Bud?
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Weaste, Zola Budd was born in Africa and was persuaded to apply for British Citizenship because of her grandparents and solely to compete in the Olympics. Thats completely different from a person choosing not to support a black athlete who was born in Britain or England and has lived here all their life. We are also living in a completely different world now.

In that respect is Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole etc playing for England a reason to stop being patriotic about the English national team?
 
WeasteDevil said:
And that definition has no longer any meaning.

Is Wales a nation, is the United Kingdom a nation? Have a think about that.
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Whether you like it or not, United Kingdom is not represented in the Olympic Games! The system allows Great Britain. Team GB!

Wales is not allowed to fill a team in the Olympic Games as it is under Team GB. Well you don't like it... but this is what we have. Sadly for you, there is no such avenue to air your grievances and you have to stick with it. (note: whether you support whoever has no bearing in the whole Olympic argument. Americans will still support those who wear the shirts with their logos on it, and people from Great Britain will support whoever (if even he has three eyes and two nose) wearing the shirt bearing the GB logo. You can't change what people support, and unlike what you said, it is not silliness people support the logo!!!
 
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