3-4-3 Aint it.

[Sandikan]

I hate 5-3-2 always have.

The main problem being that most premier league teams found that by playing - 4-3-3 they could have all the benefits of having a 5-3-2 with one less player at the back. Outnumbering you up top.

You need two attacking minded full backs and two really really good centre backs. That’s it, it’s not complicated.

Yep agree.

You just lose one player for seemingly no benefit - as we're no stronger defensively with 3 than 2.

And you lose any wide threat because you suddenly have fullbacks out there. Who aren't exactly Carlos and Cafu.

Even my local boys Wycombe tried 3 at the back for a few months when our ex player Bloomfield came back in. Went absolutely dreadfully.
Ditched it completely - new season - 2nd in the league!

 

[Irwin99]

Nope, Dalot and Mazraoui are nowhere near high on the pitch to make it that.

Nor are they effective enough attacking-wise. They are pure full backs.

Dalot was forward loads of times this match. He had two attempts on goal first half and was absolutely everywhere . The problem is the quality isn’t there from him.

 

[stepic]

Close the thread now please

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Trust the cafe to freaking blame the formation....

 

[evil_geko]

How many clubs play 3 at the back and how many specialist wing backs do you even find?
It's a bit of an insane ask to expect Dalot - a moderate right back, to suddenly become an attacking left wing back.

And it's not ideal thinking a left winger is suddenly going to do well there either.

What would actually be insane is bringing a coach with certain style and not supporting him in it.

 

[Ace of Spades]

It is fine, we are shit with 4 at the back as well.

 

[evil_geko]

Doesn't work like that, it's stupid.

You can't make a fullback or a winger a wingback just at the twitch of your finger, that would be super stupid.

Of course you can't, but you can sell them and bring some who can.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

The problem with 4-2-3-1 under ETH was the tactics. The system is still the best for us. It suits our players better.

It most certainly does not. We don't have enough deep lying midfielders with the requisite physicality and have ZERO creative wingers.

 

[Sandikan]

Conte won the league playing 3 at the back

Who were their wingbacks?

And of course there will be some isolated short term examples.

We won't be winning a league with this. Unless it's the championship! Actually don't joke...

 

[Sandikan]

What would actually be insane is bringing a coach with certain style and not supporting him in it.

Or to bring him in mid season with no players to support it.

 

[JJ12]

Same, we are playing 5 at the back right now and was baffling it was kept that way until upto 80 minutes when we were man down.

Not sure how anyone watched the first half and saw 5 at the back.

 

[Ekeke]

Nope, Dalot and Mazraoui are nowhere near high on the pitch to make it that.

Nor are they effective enough attacking-wise. They are pure full backs.

Dalot was our left winger and one of our most advanced players. Mazraoui didnt get forward much but he was probably supposed to.

 

[Acquire Me]

Trust the cafe to freaking blame the formation....

Even my grandma knows it’s the players.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We have a terrible squad regardless of formation.

People need to wake up to the fact that it's a selection of lower half quality players getting lower half results.

This.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Dalot was forward loads of times this match. He had two attempts on goal first half and was absolutely everywhere . The problem is the quality isn’t there from him.

A fullback is also forwards a few times during a match, Dalot is sometimes left free because the opposing team knows he isn't any threat at all. Playing one the wrong foot, no dribbling, poor crossing, his shooting is super hit and miss.

He doesnt make for an effective wing back at all, mind, very few players do.

 

[Castia]

We spend a lot of time attacking down our left which almost makes Dalot or biggest attacking threat….

The balance of the squad is completely off we need to do business in January asap

 

[Goggins]

Current Manchester United players, consistently redefining a lot of things, including the new manager bounce.

 

[JJ12]

Yep agree.

You just lose one player for seemingly no benefit - as we're no stronger defensively with 3 than 2.

And you lose any wide threat because you suddenly have fullbacks out there. Who aren't exactly Carlos and Cafu.

Even my local boys Wycombe tried 3 at the back for a few months when our ex player Bloomfield came back in. Went absolutely dreadfully.
Ditched it completely - new season - 2nd in the league!

Who gives a flying feck - absolutely no relevance

 

[Solius]

Yeah the formation is why Bruno got sent off and we conceded directly from a corner. Definitely the main issue here.

 

[Salford_Red83]

You're right! I don't understand why Amorim doesn't go back to the winning, successful formula that's been on display the past few years.

 

[Sandikan]

Who gives a flying feck - absolutely no relevance

You'll be saying that when Wycombe play United in the league next year

 

[Sandikan]

You're right! I don't understand why Amorim doesn't go back to the winning, successful formula that's been on display the past few years.

Imagine if every manager who took over a struggling team just had licence to take them to even crapper levels because "well they were sh!te when i picked them up".

 

[AjaxCunian]

Dalot was our left winger and one of our most advanced players. Mazraoui didnt get forward much but he was probably supposed to.

He was a bit in front of Mazraoui, not that much. Licha also pushes up more than our other CB's so it's only normal that he will not be on the same line as him. Which is also the case in a 4 man defense.

Shape looks like a mess, mind. And neither does it change the fact that he's a full back, with average attacking quality.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Yeah the formation is why Bruno got sent off and we conceded directly from a corner. Definitely the main issue here.

If Bruno didnt got sent off and they didnt score from the corner, it would have been a fantastic 0-4 performance?

 

[Sandikan]

Yeah the formation is why Bruno got sent off and we conceded directly from a corner. Definitely the main issue here.

Are you just going to be on every single rubbish defeat with this sort of stuff

 

[Pronewbie]

I think 5-back could be META but not with our current personnel.

 

[space]

Formation this and tactics that… we have a brainless bunch of players. If you told me that was West Ham’s team out there today I would have believed you.

 

[JJ12]

Are you just going to be on every single rubbish defeat with this sort of stuff

Will the players be changing? If not then yes, the vast majority with eyes will be saying this.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

We have a terrible squad regardless of formation.

People need to wake up to the fact that it's a selection of lower half quality players getting lower half results.

So far this, and I'm sorry I ever disagreed with you mate.

Sick and tired of accomodations being made for this shite group. They should be the ones earning their ludicrous wages, and they should be fecked off if they can't.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Ruud knew what to do with this lot and that was to simplify the feck out of it.
The new fella is trying to reinvent the wheel with 5 defenders, 2 sitting midfielders and a none creative striker. It’s as though he expects Bruno and Amad to be superhuman.

 

[Salford_Red83]

Imagine if every manager who took over a struggling team just had licence to take them to even crapper levels because "well they were sh!te when i picked them up".

Oh, do be quiet

 

[Sandikan]

Will the players be changing? If not then yes, the vast majority with eyes will be saying this.

We can see why we're losing - it's not some sort of alibi.

 

[Eugenius]

Yeah the formation is why Bruno got sent off and we conceded directly from a corner. Definitely the main issue here.

Tbf the piece of play in which he did get sent off was basically a result of the cul de sac the current wingbacks get into because they are completely unsuited to the role. Our one tactic going forward seems full back stays wide as out ball, then plays the ball back into inside pocket / channel for #10. It's all predictable and slow without any threat of the wingback actually taking on their man and going down the line.

 

[sullydnl]

Are you just going to be on every single rubbish defeat with this sort of stuff

The problem is that you're imagining a fantasy scenario where thing will magically be significantly better with the same players in a different system, in the face of the direct evidence of what those players produced in a different system up to Amorim's appointment.

We've seen them play for quite a while. We know the system isn't why they're shite.

 

[RedDevil [NC]]

Honestly, he could change the formation back and these shit mentality players would still piss around for 90 minutes. Not a single player is showing heart

 

[Sandikan]

Ruud knew what to do with this lot and that was to simplify the feck out of it.
The new fella is trying to reinvent the wheel with 5 defenders, 2 sitting midfielders and a none creative striker. It’s as though he expects Bruno and Amad to be superhuman.

One of the best posts I've read on here.

Every time Bruno or Amad get it, they have to try and make a Maradona-esque run to get near the goal. Inevitably losing it by the 2nd man. No wide options. A willing but limited striker. It just doesn't work.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

People keep labouring the point about 3-4-3 being an issue but we were fecking shite playing a 4-2-3-1 as well, and that's supposedly the system that these players were assembled for.

As others have pointed out, maybe you just accept as this point that we've assembled a squad full of wasters who aren't fit to wear the shirt.

 

[Foolsgold21]

Reading far too much into the formation,

We clearly overachieved last season by finishing 9th or whatever it was.

Not enough goals / physicality / stamina in the squad whichever formation you play.

Very concerning as you just can’t really see where the next win is coming from

 

[RedDevil [NC]]

One of the best posts I've read on here.

Every time Bruno or Amad get it, they have to try and make a Maradona-esque run to get near the goal. Inevitably losing it by the 2nd man. No wide options. A willing but limited striker. It just doesn't work.

No, Rudd was a quick jolt but he too would have been let down by these players and we would be calling for him to get sacked.

Amorim didn’t want to come mid season, our toxic board gave him the ultimatum

 

[RoadtoMoscow2008]

Oh, do be quiet

Im sorry but he is right. Always making excuses because the players are not good enough to win the league and new manager needs to be given time to impliment some fancy system that worked only in farmers leagues. Not even wolves but with a new manager they won the game. surprise surprise, maybe if you try to play to your teams strengths maybe you can win a game against bottom teams.