3-4-3 Aint it.

evil_geko said:
5 when defending, 3 when attacking. And it's fine.
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Nope, Dalot and Mazraoui are nowhere near high on the pitch to make it that.

Nor are they effective enough attacking-wise. They are pure full backs.
 
Unam333 said:
The issue is will he get the trust of the board to get his players for his 343 formation?
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This is the biggest thing. If he's not gonna get backed and was just told you can do your formation with the players we have and one or two tweaks, ita pointless.
 
I agree to some extent, it's a good system but the current dynamic of players aren't suited to the demands in specific positions such as the wing backs and the wider number 10's.

What's even more shocking is United lost Greenwood, Sancho and Martial in essentially one window and none of them was replaced, you can potentially add Rashford to that list too. The club's recruitment has been a disaster not just on account of individual quality but replacing players with the same or similar profiles.

United will sell Marcus for instance and then buy a midfielder. Sometimes you need like-for-like replacements to advance the squads overall depth and quality.
 
It might be it, with the right players and familiarity.

This lot ain't it, and if Amorin is unable to adapt to what he has that is a worrying sign. Yes he has his preferred style, but that can't be all that you are.
 
The bottom line is these players are shite regardless of the formation, that’s clearly evident by the fact we looked even worse under ETH using a system a lot of these players have used for years.

The manager has stated right from the beginning there would be a lot of pain in the short term and the fanbase were happy to accept that, now the reality is setting in it seems a lot don’t have the stomach for it and are already questioning the manager and wanting us to revert back to the shite ETH was serving up.
 
We didnt start the season playing 343 and were still shite
 
The system clearly doesn't suit the players, but the system also can't be blamed for our inability to mark corners. We are just crap in every measurable sense.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Nope, Dalot and Mazraoui are nowhere near high on the pitch to make it that.

Nor are they effective enough attacking-wise. They are pure full backs.
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And you solved the mystery, formation is not at fault, players are.

Whoever can't adapt can feck off out of club.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Needs too many specific skill sets. does Amorim have an alternative? He needs to start winning games and perhaps deviating from his plan.

I'm not saying sack Amorim, I'm saying he needs try something else. Bringing in 10 new players isn't going to happen.
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It will happen eventually. However our record with our previous managers actually signing a whole new team as opposed to playing with the previous lot is that they only get worse with their own players.
 
You can play 4 4 4 for all you like, these players won't get wins, we got donkeys everywhere for crying out loud
 
Formations don't matter really, under several managers we played a variation of 433, we were shit, under Amorim, we play 343, we are still shit, we could try 118 or 217 and we will still remain shit.
 
Formation talk is useless. It's what we do with our without the ball that needs improvement. Without that it would the same nonsense is any formation we line-up in.
 
The amount of posters pointing to us being equally shit under ETH in defence of Amorim is … telling. We’re supposed to get better, aren’t we?
 
evil_geko said:
And you solved the mystery, formation is not at fault, players are.

Whoever can't adapt can feck off out of club.
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Doesn't work like that, it's stupid.

You can't make a fullback or a winger a wingback just at the twitch of your finger, that would be super stupid.
 
Doesn't matter what system we play with these players. Pretty much none of them is good enough and we cant score for month now - a few good games won't change that fact. I'd say back the manager and get capable players in. ETH wrecked us with his transfers and it's gona be a hard road now.
 
It does not work with this squad. And it is frustrating that Amorim wants to use this formation every time, when we do not have the players for it.
 
I genuinely don't know the formation which will suit this squad. They are fecking shite.
 
His player preference is more of an issue than the system. Playing Mainoo ahead of Case is brain dead. As is insisting on playing Dalot on the left and Bruno in the 10 position. This will never work
 
Yeah let's get back to the ETH formation so we start conceding 20+ attempts every game and prob losing 3 or 4-0 every game!

It's the players, they are awful and not PL standard. They are barely championship standard and given the physicality woukd struggle there as well.
 
We desperately need proper wingbacks, that's our main issue. Possibly a number 10 as well.

All the other positions failing is not because of the system but because of the shit players we have.

We can set up as you like that won't stop Onana from conceding a weak goal from a corner or Bruno getting two yellows.

Most of the goals we conceded are because of individual mistakes, from braindead players. Not because of the system.

What worries me is we need a huge clear out, this club is rotten. We need the whole Chelsea approach get rid of 10+ players, keep some and ship away all the others to get a fresh start. But we don't have the money nor the guts to do it.
 
In real terms switching to a 4231 just means dropping a defender in favour of someone like Garnacho. Which you could do in a 343 anyway, and still relies on pretty much all the same players not being as shit as they've been all season under two managers with two different set ups.

And even if it miraculously improved them, you would still need them to not be shit at corners too.
 
Jev said:
The amount of posters pointing to us being equally shit under ETH in defence of Amorim is … telling. We’re supposed to get better, aren’t we?
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No coach will really improve us with that squad. You can put prime SAF or Pep in charge in will not change anything. Those players are simply not good enough.
 
Not with this squad of players. Some work in it but a lot clearly don’t. Worst of all there’s some players who just don’t want to make it work.

I think literally everyone in the United fanbase if they could back in time, would have brought Amorim in, a week after the FA Cup win and sent ETH on his way. In no way am I saying we’d be top of the league now but we’d have made a better transition than what we’re seeing now. We’d still be seeing some inconsistencies and we’d probably be hovering in the European places.
 
There was always going to be some terrible results when trying to switch to the 3-4-3.

Amorim is going to need a lot of transfers which may not be possible after the spending of ten Hag

It was my one worry with the new manager. When I heard he played the
3-4-3, I was less excited as we've seen other managers try it and it always ends in disaster.
 
Castia said:
We need to stick with it and bring players in to suit the system

Honestly abandoning what’s worked for him to suit this shower of shite squad he may as well just resign
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Agreed. I don’t give a shit about this season. We got a lot of players that we need to feck off.
 
evil_geko said:
And you solved the mystery, formation is not at fault, players are.

Whoever can't adapt can feck off out of club.
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How many clubs play 3 at the back and how many specialist wing backs do you even find?
It's a bit of an insane ask to expect Dalot - a moderate right back, to suddenly become an attacking left wing back.

And it's not ideal thinking a left winger is suddenly going to do well there either.
 
It's got very little to do with the 3-4-3. This team will look crap in any system.
 
I hate 5-3-2 always have.

The main problem being that most premier league teams found that by playing - 4-3-3 they could have all the benefits of having a 5-3-2 with one less player at the back. Outnumbering you up top.

You need two attacking minded full backs and two really really good centre backs. That’s it, it’s not complicated.
 
GMoore23 said:
There was always going to be some terrible results when trying to switch to the 3-4-3.

Amorim is going to need a lot of transfers which may not be possible after the spending of ten Hag

It was my one worry with the new manager. When I heard he played the
3-4-3, I was less excited as we've seen other managers try it and it always ends in disaster.
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Yep, I don't think it's a coincidence almost no teams play it in the Premier league.

City had success playing a form of it, but were slightly helped by having worldies in all positions.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Needs too many specific skill sets. does Amorim have an alternative? He needs to start winning games and perhaps deviating from his plan.

I'm not saying sack Amorim, I'm saying he needs try something else. Bringing in 10 new players isn't going to happen.
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Nah. He needs to stay with what he knows and get it drummed into players. This season should be used for identifying those to go and those to come in. People need to calm their expectations. Couldn’t be a worse time of the season for him to come in
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
Formations don't matter really, under several managers we played a variation of 433, we were shit, under Amorim, we play 343, we are still shit, we could try 118 or 217 and we will still remain shit.
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True but now we are shittier, we never finished bellow 10th using 433 or 4231.
This formation does not suit our players, we do not have wingers to play 343 and those wingers are vital in this system. From what I see this system makes us actually worse than we are in a system to which the players are accustomed to.
 
Unam333 said:
The issue is will he get the trust of the board to get his players for his 343 formation?
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And will this formation achieve success...

That's what people don't ask themselves.

Remember just having fancy formations or fancy coach doesn't guarantee success.

Even Pep is being found out in this league. Amorim has really complicated our issues. Because when results are negative things became extremely hard to do.

Now we have set pieces problem.
Defence problems.

Then scoring goals problems from years before.

So now it's not even 343 problem anymore, it's deeper issues. Set piece, defence, scoring

Coaching problem probably?
 
arnoldS said:
No coach will really improve us with that squad. You can put prime SAF or Pep in charge in will not change anything. Those players are simply not good enough.
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Anyone who watched the first half today could see that the formation was part of the problem. It’s not complicated either. When 7 out of 11 players are defensive, it’s no wonder you’re not creating. We were effectively attacking with two players.

The problem is the 5-4-1 is an inherently defensive formation. The only way to make it progressive enough is to play attackers as wing-backs.
 
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