Numerically, the Dems should have the advantage because of new citizens eligible to vote, younger people who hit voting age at 18, and conservative olds that die off. Unfortunately they have squandered their advantage by not messaging properly towards the working class, whereas Trump has done a more effective job (albeit deceptively so).
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Numerically, the Dems should have the advantage because of new citizens eligible to vote, younger people who hit voting age at 18, and conservative olds that die off. Unfortunately they have squandered their advantage by not messaging properly towards the working class, whereas Trump has done a more effective job (albeit deceptively so).
I can see how Harris wouldn’t want anything to do with progressives given how she ditched Medicare for all, green new deal etc., but all things said, Harris’ policies weren’t strikingly different than Biden’s. It was her perceived inauthenticity that eventually sunk her, which given her 2019 performance shouldn’t have come as a surprise.
I mean at least in theory it might not have been a bad plan at the time. I just think in practice it clearly didn't work and the democratic leadership clearly cant be trusted to learn lessons from it themselves so it needs to be hammered home. Now's the time to be brutally honest and rip into things that aren't working.
I generally agree that the party needs a nuclear reboot. The question is who actually controls the Democratic Party going forward. Its President is retiring, its chairman is not seeking re-election, and its previous presidential nominee will soon be unemployed.
The right answer is Democratic voters. They need to stop picking candidates and campaigns for them - throw a few candidates out over the next 3 years, dont interfere in the nomination selection and push the most popular campaign. Its not complicated.
That’s what they’ve been doing and it hasn’t worked. The party has become broadly factionalized between progressives, identity politics, and traditional centrist Dems; each vying for power and the promotion of their own candidates. The best bet is for Dems to focus on clawing back the house in 26, then put forward as many candidates as possible starting in the summer of 27.
I'd let them. I think Kamala had a pretty easy time from the wider party and media and the lack of a nomination debate. I dont think it helped her really. A few obstacles thrown her way that she can deal with and overcome might have helped her.
They'll come under more pressure from elsewhere at some point. They need to be able to handle it and shown to be able to handle it.
So, with Biden being a lame duck and all, shouldn't he at least try out what is and isn't an "official act" for a president?
Yeah, i reckon he is too boring and lame to test those powers, but like, dude, this is the last month or two you are relevant anyway, and besides, people needs to know, when a president is or isn't a king, according to SCOTUS.
At least, if Biden did something SCOTUS didn't agree with now, but did later, at least would expose their hypocrisy, not that the electorate cares much about anything besides what groceries costs though, but just saying.
Yeah, i reckon he is too boring and lame to test those powers, but like, dude, this is the last month or two you are relevant anyway, and besides, people needs to know, when a president is or isn't a king, according to SCOTUS.
At least, if Biden did something SCOTUS didn't agree with now, but did later, at least would expose their hypocrisy, not that the electorate cares much about anything besides what groceries costs though, but just saying.
He should do that. He’s got nothing to lose. He probably won’t though, because the Democrats still believe in norms and taking the moral high ground even though gain less than nothing from doing so.
Wouldn't it take too long for it to get taken up by SCOTUS anyway? I doubt they would have to make a decision.
Christ. Those are some massive shifts. Very bad for the Democrats.
It would be good to see all the data because other demographics will have swung the other way given there was only a point and a half difference in the popular vote in the end.
He wont, he is an institutionalist. It is part reason Trump got back in. If he had hired an AG that would have set out to prosecure Trump from day 1, then Trump would be serving jail time now.
Exactly. Biden is a coward. The Democrats need to drop the civility.
What do you propose he do?
Listened to that entire podcast. Was a frustrating experience. Seems like they would have done all the same things again, if they got a second chance at it.
Yep lots of excuse making and our data showed we did well so its not our fault schtick.
Here’s the full podcast for anyone interested.
My bias is telling me him saying 'the math just does not fecking work' feels like a good way to sum up the podcast?
I guess i should listen but my main takeaway from the election is that the democrats need to jettison anyone involved in the campaign (like this guy presumably)
Only thing I’m sympathetic about is the absolute shit hand that Biden dealt Harris and her campaign. They touch on it a bit, and I do think it’s valid. But they could still take some responsibility as well. The comments on the YouTube video are telling.
They thought they ran a perfect campaign because they had celebrity endorsements (more than this, but this was literally a take-away quote from their campaign). That's what Clinton did in 2016 and that symbolic top-down nonsense just doesn't work anymore. Most of the people (say independents) they were targeting despise celebrity culture. Not that the GOP didn't get endorsements but theirs tended to be local type endorsements. Rogan and the like are akin to Rush Limbaugh (though for a new age). Radio styled personalities.
I caught flac for it in a different thread but I said basically the same thing. It appeared to me, as someone who was willing to engage with what they had to say, as an exercise in Oprah styled symbolic overtures. A farce, basically. Very 2016ish.
Biden screwed them over but even a idiot like myself was saying back in 2020 that Biden brain was mush.
Is it funny to see how much the campaign staffers sound like marketers. There’s no large political goals instead it’s just about hitting individual data points and branding/selling.
Agree with you on taking responsibility. Imo there’s no incentives for any political side to admit failures in American politics. If anything it’s a system which rewards the opposite(Trump as the classic example).
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Yep I think they are.
Strength is relative, the US economy is the strongest in the world.
Yes, they do.
Republicans are now saying the economy is strong, since their guy is coming in.
I just saw a chart showing that when a democrat comes into office Republicans start saying the economy is weak, when a republican comes in they say it's strong. It's not about reality.
Yes, there's a housing crisis, everyone who makes a normal wage is hurting from price increases that haven't returned from COVID.
But voters think Republicans are better at running the economy, when all data showed otherwise. How did they get that I wonder.
Democrat voters do the same thing, just to a lesser extent.
Republicans do not represent the majority of the country.
There is some propaganda and all but you don't lose every swing state because people read somewhere that the economy is bad.
There is some propaganda and all but you don't lose every swing state because people read somewhere that the economy is bad.
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The Kamala campaign a Brewster's Millions remake, with the coordination of a crackhead setting themselves on fire.
“And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure.”
You have the same power you had before November Liz. Don't ever let anybody ever take Liz Cheney from you. You are strong! You are Powerful! I just have to Liz Cheney you. *scene from personalised Cameo to to the Cheney family*
2028, can't wait.
2028, can't wait.
It's like listening to a football manager that just lost a match 5-0 say "but we won the possession 55-45% so we did great" over a soundtrack of nails scratching on the chalkboard. These clowns should be nowhere near another Dem presidential candidate and should look into new careers as dog groomers or something. Need a complete change of leadership and mindset but I'm too cynical now to think that will happen.
They need to bring back this OG if they want to win in ‘28.
"James Carville absolutely obliterates non-existent scapegoats", I can't believe people bought that story.
You think the democrats actually care for the wellbeing of the nation and the world?
They just happened to be the democrats. They'd swap sides if it meant getting elected.