Numerically, the Dems should have the advantage because of new citizens eligible to vote, younger people who hit voting age at 18, and conservative olds that die off. Unfortunately they have squandered their advantage by not messaging properly towards the working class, whereas Trump has done a more effective job (albeit deceptively so).
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Numerically, the Dems should have the advantage because of new citizens eligible to vote, younger people who hit voting age at 18, and conservative olds that die off. Unfortunately they have squandered their advantage by not messaging properly towards the working class, whereas Trump has done a more effective job (albeit deceptively so).
He was getting some movement with Biden. The Harris campaign sidelined him and other left wing democrats. Which they played along with and supported as a lesser of two evils but if it didn't pay off they were always going to get the knives out. Which they absolutely 100% should.
I can see how Harris wouldn’t want anything to do with progressives given how she ditched Medicare for all, green new deal etc., but all things said, Harris’ policies weren’t strikingly different than Biden’s. It was her perceived inauthenticity that eventually sunk her, which given her 2019 performance shouldn’t have come as a surprise.
I mean at least in theory it might not have been a bad plan at the time. I just think in practice it clearly didn't work and the democratic leadership clearly cant be trusted to learn lessons from it themselves so it needs to be hammered home. Now's the time to be brutally honest and rip into things that aren't working.I can see how Harris wouldn’t want anything to do with progressives given how she ditched Medicare for all, green new deal etc., but all things said, Harris’ policies weren’t strikingly different than Biden’s. It was her perceived inauthenticity that eventually sunk her, which given her 2019 performance shouldn’t have come as a surprise.
I mean at least in theory it might not have been a bad plan at the time. I just think in practice it clearly didn't work and the democratic leadership clearly cant be trusted to learn lessons from it themselves so it needs to be hammered home. Now's the time to be brutally honest and rip into things that aren't working.
I generally agree that the party needs a nuclear reboot. The question is who actually controls the Democratic Party going forward. Its President is retiring, its chairman is not seeking re-election, and its previous presidential nominee will soon be unemployed.
The right answer is Democratic voters. They need to stop picking candidates and campaigns for them - throw a few candidates out over the next 3 years, dont interfere in the nomination selection and push the most popular campaign. Its not complicated.I generally agree that the party needs a nuclear reboot. The question is who actually controls the Democratic Party going forward. Its President is retiring, its chairman is not seeking re-election, and its previous presidential nominee will soon be unemployed.
The right answer is Democratic voters. They need to stop picking candidates and campaigns for them - throw a few candidates out over the next 3 years, dont interfere in the nomination selection and push the most popular campaign. Its not complicated.
That’s what they’ve been doing and it hasn’t worked. The party has become broadly factionalized between progressives, identity politics, and traditional centrist Dems; each vying for power and the promotion of their own candidates. The best bet is for Dems to focus on clawing back the house in 26, then put forward as many candidates as possible starting in the summer of 27.
I'd let them. I think Kamala had a pretty easy time from the wider party and media and the lack of a nomination debate. I dont think it helped her really. A few obstacles thrown her way that she can deal with and overcome might have helped her.That’s what they’ve been doing and it hasn’t worked. The party has become broadly factionalized between progressives, identity politics, and traditional centrist Dems; each vying for power and the promotion of their own candidates. The best bet is for Dems to focus on clawing back the house in 26, then put forward as many candidates as possible starting in the summer of 27.
They'll come under more pressure from elsewhere at some point. They need to be able to handle it and shown to be able to handle it.
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