2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

You gotta admit, rendering all the 45-47 stuff that Trump’s supporters have bought meaningless would be a peak level of pettiness

Yep. To award Harris with POTUS for 8 weeks after she was handily rejected for the job by the public this week would be peak stupidity by the Dems.
 
Yep. To award Harris with POTUS for 8 weeks after she was handily rejected for the job by the public this week would be peak stupidity by the Dems.
If you’re telling me you wouldn’t have a bit of a laugh about the merchandise becoming worthless, I’ll not believe you.
 
I dont care about protecting europe.

I don't understand, the absolute bastion of US soft power has been it's ability to trade complete cultural and economic hegemony in Europe as a quid-pro-quo for guaranteeing the freedom and safety of Europe via its hard power. Not to mention the side effect of Europe that is almost perfectly aligned with USA's geopolitical goals.

It's basically, "You give me markets and consumer access, I give you military protection."

Why wouldn't America want to protect Europe. It's the absolute bedrock of its global economic and hard power.
 
I don't understand, the absolute bastion of US soft power has been it's ability to trade complete cultural and economic hegemony in Europe as a quid-pro-quo for guaranteeing the freedom and safety of Europe via its hard power. Not to mention the side effect of Europe that is almost perfectly aligned with USA's geopolitical goals.

It's basically, "You give me markets and consumer access, I give you military protection."

Why wouldn't America want to protect Europe. It's the absolute bedrock of its global economic and hard power.
They don't either.
 
Europe or NATO would be perfectly fine even with 0.0% support from US Incase or a full out conventional war with Russia.

They can barely handle Ukraine let alone the whole NATO

You’re assuming no nukes, which would be a dangerous assumption should Russia’s conventional begin losing. That’s obviously supposing a war would begin in the first place.
 
Europe or NATO would be perfectly fine even with 0.0% support from US Incase or a full out conventional war with Russia.

They can barely handle Ukraine let alone the whole NATO

That isn't the point.

The whole military organizations of most of Central and Western Europe are so integrated with NATO and each country has it's fulfilllment of where it needs to be within the NATO force structure that if the US does pull out everyone is left stranded.

It's like suddenly 5 minutes before a football match, the CB, ST and LW are suddenly unavailable and you have nobody else who plays there. Suddenly you have to play Mason Mount as ST, Ugarte as CB and Bruno as LW.

Take for example, the Czech 4th Brigade. It's the most elite of the Czech deployed forces and is able to deploy anywhere in Europe within 24 hours and sits under NATO Rapid Response command. The caveat? Yeah, the Czech Air force doesn't actually have an organic cargo/transport fleet that can get the 4th Brigade to where it needs to be.

Thankfully, that isn't a problem because the USAF is responsible for most of the legwork and logistics of deployment for most of the European native rapid deployment forces. European NATO command works under the assumption that there indeed is the USAF to provide the heavy lifting.

Take away that, and the Czech's elite, prime, combat ready unit cannot actually deploy to where it needs to be.
 
This should illustrate the problem quite clearly:

This is the Czech 4th Brigade, with all of its equipment, in parade formation

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This is the largest transport plane that the Czech Republic has, and there are 8 of them:

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See the problem? US IRF Brigades can deploy to anywhere in the world within 18 hours notice. 82nd Airbourne Division for example, alongside the 101st Airbourne Divison, is capable of this.

Czech Republic, without USAF assistance, would have to haul all their vehicles on trains all the way to the ass end of Eastern Europe, taking days.

It's just not the same capability.
 
That isn't the point.

The whole military organizations of most of Central and Western Europe are so integrated with NATO and each country has it's fulfilllment of where it needs to be within the NATO force structure that if the US does pull out everyone is left stranded.

It's like suddenly 5 minutes before a football match, the CB, ST and LW are suddenly unavailable and you have nobody else who plays there. Suddenly you have to play Mason Mount as ST, Ugarte as CB and Bruno as LW.

Take for example, the Czech 4th Brigade. It's the most elite of the Czech deployed forces and is able to deploy anywhere in Europe within 24 hours and sits under NATO Rapid Response command. The caveat? Yeah, the Czech Air force doesn't actually have an organic cargo/transport fleet that can get the 4th Brigade to where it needs to be.

Thankfully, that isn't a problem because the USAF is responsible for most of the legwork and logistics of deployment for most of the European native rapid deployment forces. European NATO command works under the assumption that there indeed is the USAF to provide the heavy lifting.

Take away that, and the Czech's elite, prime, combat ready unit cannot actually deploy to where it needs to be.
I was gonna say… the USAF airlift capability alone is non-replaceable.
 
That isn't the point.

The whole military organizations of most of Central and Western Europe are so integrated with NATO and each country has it's fulfilllment of where it needs to be within the NATO force structure that if the US does pull out everyone is left stranded.

It's like suddenly 5 minutes before a football match, the CB, ST and LW are suddenly unavailable and you have nobody else who plays there. Suddenly you have to play Mason Mount as ST, Ugarte as CB and Bruno as LW.

Take for example, the Czech 4th Brigade. It's the most elite of the Czech deployed forces and is able to deploy anywhere in Europe within 24 hours and sits under NATO Rapid Response command. The caveat? Yeah, the Czech Air force doesn't actually have an organic cargo/transport fleet that can get the 4th Brigade to where it needs to be.

Thankfully, that isn't a problem because the USAF is responsible for most of the legwork and logistics of deployment for most of the European native rapid deployment forces. European NATO command works under the assumption that there indeed is the USAF to provide the heavy lifting.

Take away that, and the Czech's elite, prime, combat ready unit cannot actually deploy to where it needs to be.
UK ands French Nuclear deterrent alone means no troops will ever require to be deployed in Europe with or without the US.
 
The attitude here now seems to have swung to damage limitation and trying to minimise the damage he will cause.

I also wonder what the odds are of him completing his term as lots of people inside and outside the US plainly want him dead, he looks to be in serious mental decline, and surely can't be very physcally well looking like that? Of course that would make Vance the President which seems an even more bizarre prospect.
 
Expected him to win but still can't get over how much of a clean sweep it was talk about a mandate... Not as apprehensive as i was a week ago anyway have seen a few of his policy clips on immigration, bureaucracy, gender, internet censorship etc and agree with more of it than i don't. But lets see whats gonna happen with the crazy bastard, especially without all the same checks and balances that existed in 2016.
 
Huge victory by Trump.

Dems have all themselves to blame for. Its a big question if they'll draw the right conclusions from this debacle.
 
The attitude here now seems to have swung to damage limitation and trying to minimise the damage he will cause.

I also wonder what the odds are of him completing his term as lots of people inside and outside the US plainly want him dead, he looks to be in serious mental decline, and surely can't be very physcally well looking like that? Of course that would make Vance the President which seems an even more bizarre prospect.

Secret Service POTUS level protection with POTUS level medical care, no prior serious medical condition, no obvious signs of health issues and showed very little sign of stress-related aging the last time around - 4 years is nothing.
 
Until someone combats the right wing internet, America is gonna keep sliding towards the right.

All podcasters and Youtubers people like Adin Ross, Logan Paul personalities with very young and impressionable viewers keep twerking for Trump.
 
Until someone combats the right wing internet, America is gonna keep sliding towards the right.

All podcasters and Youtubers people like Adin Ross, Logan Paul personalities with very young and impressionable viewers keep twerking for Trump.

It's not just the US. An entire generation of boys in the west have been red pilled.
 
Secret Service POTUS level protection with POTUS level medical care, no prior serious medical condition, no obvious signs of health issues and showed very little sign of stress-related aging the last time around - 4 years is nothing.
Maybe but he does seem to have suffered significant cognitive decline. Although with him it is hard to tell. He also looks sick as a dog most of the time and with his age, diet and obesity you wouldn't be surprised if he dropped dead tomorrow. Of course the fecker will probably live forever.
 
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It's not just the US. An entire generation of boys in the west have been red pilled.
Not just the west either. Same story here in India where bigotry and division has been normalised. The right wing blue print is winning.
 
Huge victory by Trump.

Dems have all themselves to blame for. Its a big question if they'll draw the right conclusions from this debacle.

Yup. In a way, Trump was a benefit to the Dems as he provided a unifying force. I think we're going to see just how fractured the party is - on both domestic and foreign policy - in the coming years.

Their biggest hope will surely be that the MAGA movement quietens with Trump not on the ballot. That said, I think this is going to end up being a tough period for the left/more liberal strands of the party.
 
Yup. In a way, Trump was a benefit to the Dems as he provided a unifying force. I think we're going to see just how fractured the party is - on both domestic and foreign policy - in the coming years.

Their biggest hope will surely be that the MAGA movement quietens with Trump not on the ballot. That said, I think this is going to end up being a tough period for the left/more liberal strands of the party.
On the other hand that whole movement might outlive Trump with someone even even crazier and more dangerous in the future. That's before we see what will Trump do and what is he capable of doing.
 
I dunno. My son and all his mates haven't been.
Its not everyone, thankfully.

And we should take care to note that. There was a poll that shocked Norway before the election when it showed that 44% of young men would support Trump. Meaning 55% wouldn't. But in a country where even the right-most party in parliament probably has more supporters of the Dem candidate than the GOP candidate, and it's 90% everywhere else, it was shocking.
 
Its not everyone, thankfully.

And we should take care to note that. There was a poll that shocked Norway before the election when it showed that 44% of young men would support Trump. Meaning 55% wouldn't. But in a country where even the right-most party in parliament probably has more supporters of the Dem candidate than the GOP candidate, and it's 90% everywhere else, it was shocking.
That's a shocking number for Norway, it really is.

This is obviously anecdotal, but I play a bit of online games, where the player base is largely European men in their 20's and 30's (and some older). It's been eye opening how many of them had this "Trump will fix it" mentality, whether about the economy, immigration or war in Ukraine. Criminal cases, corruption, sexual assault allegations, autocratic language, etc. means nothing to them.
 
I try not to get too upset about these things and accept that I don't know everything and other people may know better than me; but didn't this guy once seriously suggest people inject bleach to cure covid?
 
I try not to get too upset about these things and accept that I don't know everything and other people may know better than me; but didn't this guy once seriously suggest people inject bleach to cure covid?
Kinda, but mostly no. Here are some links where you can see how this developed. I was actually watching live the press conference, and while it was insane, he did not suggest to cure covid via injecting bleach.

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2024-...-americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
https://eu.statesman.com/story/news...o-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Here is the full quote:

"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."

This later got memefied into Trump said to drink bleach in order to cure covid.
 
This should illustrate the problem quite clearly:

This is the Czech 4th Brigade, with all of its equipment, in parade formation

02_2421.jpg


This is the largest transport plane that the Czech Republic has, and there are 8 of them:

03.jpg


See the problem? US IRF Brigades can deploy to anywhere in the world within 18 hours notice. 82nd Airbourne Division for example, alongside the 101st Airbourne Divison, is capable of this.

Czech Republic, without USAF assistance, would have to haul all their vehicles on trains all the way to the ass end of Eastern Europe, taking days.

It's just not the same capability.

Who has pictures like these ready to go? Go outside.
 
I thought he completely nailed it.


If you frame it broader around Democrat policies, rather than simply the Harris campaign, I think he is right. I don't think Harris herself did a lot to elevate identity politics through her campaign, but it's clear that it is being linked to the Democratic party at large. I would also add, that they failed to identify a villain responsible for the current economic state, and go after them. Instead it was just fearmongering about the second Trump term, which may or may not end up being correct, but most people just look at his first term and recognize that the world didn't end.
 
If you frame it broader around Democrat policies, rather than simply the Harris campaign, I think he is right. I don't think Harris herself did a lot to elevate identity politics through her campaign, but it's clear that it is being linked to the Democratic party at large. I would also add, that they failed to identify a villain responsible for the current economic state, and go after them. Instead it was just fearmongering about the second Trump term, which may or may not end up being correct, but most people just look at his first term and recognize that the world didn't end.

Harris basically ended up running the same campaign as Hilary.

If I recall correctly Hilary’s big thing was “four more years” and her not being trump. Harris by all accounts also just seemed to be running on more of the status quo and not being trump.
 
If you frame it broader around Democrat policies, rather than simply the Harris campaign, I think he is right. I don't think Harris herself did a lot to elevate identity politics through her campaign, but it's clear that it is being linked to the Democratic party at large. I would also add, that they failed to identify a villain responsible for the current economic state, and go after them. Instead it was just fearmongering about the second Trump term, which may or may not end up being correct, but most people just look at his first term and recognize that the world didn't end.
On the one hand, I get the "world didn't end" feeling.

But at least to me, it's because we got desensitized to his actions over time. Looking back, so much of his time in office was batshit crazy and that's before the pandemic. Hell, Spicer's raging press conference about the inauguration crowd size was Day 1!

On the other hand, even Harris and Biden didn't believe their own fear mongering about Trump. I mean,
on Nov 4 - "Democracy will be in danger if he takes office!",
on Nov 6 - "I commit to a peaceful transition and I have asked my people to help Trump in any way they can".
 
Secret Service POTUS level protection with POTUS level medical care, no prior serious medical condition, no obvious signs of health issues and showed very little sign of stress-related aging the last time around - 4 years is nothing.
Nah. If I've learned anything as I get older, and seen people age, it's all bets are off once you hit your 80s. Decline can be very rapid. Trump doesn't share his health details but his last report 5 years ago "classified him as obese with a weight of 243 pounds and a body mass index of 30.4, which raises the risk of heart disease, diabetes and other problems. That report also revealed increased dosages of medication for high cholesterol. While Trump doesn’t drink alcohol or smoke, he has long avoided exercise other than golf".

There's a good chance he dies in office.
 
The bit at 5:02 can't be understated. The Dems need to ditch that if they want to be viable in the 28 cycle.

Maybe, but do the Dems really push the pronoun thing or is it rather the right that makes a HUGE deal out of one or two tweets from a few fringe persons on the left?
 
It's not just the US. An entire generation of boys in the west have been red pilled.

Yeah but why. If someone is going to say Tate etc - while he is a bad apple he is also clearly harvesting them after being abandoned by society.

I mean lets talk about it, boys and girls are largely equal when they start in education and its hardly controversial to say education is a female dominated institution in the west that can be biased for a start not to mention a lack of role models during the critical growth period that male teachers are viewed as predators. Combine this with single mother parenting being increasingly prevalent and you can see the problem.

Then you get to high school where boys education is designed not necessarily to actually educate and utilize their energy levels but to curb masculinity, anger and bend them to social authority, which obviously doesn't work just breeds resentment.

Once they come out of education we have resentful, weak adult men lacking in confidence that are then seen as inherently toxic, privileged and vilified for what their ancestors did 200 years ago, yet are still expected to be high earners while women are even further ahead than they were in school, given inherent favoritism in dating and employment opportunities at college, internships etc that men also don't have. At least the poor white ones.

I mentioned in an earlier post about a gender war and this is absolutely what is playing out right now men know they are losing. If we aren't going to get more male teachers what we really need back again is single sex schools with different agendas, course this means acknowledging we are actually a sexually dimorphic species and good luck with that in the nebulous world of gender.

That's a shocking number for Norway, it really is.

This is obviously anecdotal, but I play a bit of online games, where the player base is largely European men in their 20's and 30's (and some older). It's been eye opening how many of them had this "Trump will fix it" mentality, whether about the economy, immigration or war in Ukraine. Criminal cases, corruption, sexual assault allegations, autocratic language, etc. means nothing to them.

Its a big problem with gaming as a whole, especially as its one of the few spaces, certainly depending on system and genre, that''s audience is still dominated by men.

You will find many many many people that don't actually care about the games anymore but rather hating what is coming out cremating these games as woke, (especially with a female protagonist) i see it EVERYWHERE that isn't heavily moderated. Clearly another facet of this gender war, in trying to be a more "inclusive" space it has turned in to a toxic breeding ground of resentment and anger.