This is a good point. I suppose one could say we don’t know exactly what the fundraising for another candidate would be, but it’s unlikely she was uniquely able to generate the fundraising she did
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Building a set for a podcast appearance should not cost 100k.
This was from October:
Maybe they were just fishing for more money, though. Wouldn't surprise me.
Ok. I gave maybe a thousand or more in total for the campigns in general. Bidens and then hers. Some Congressional. I don't feel like my money was "wasted".
Other people might feel like that I wont argue with them. I would need to see places where money was not spent well or neglected to feel aggrieved.
No one believes in anything.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but where is he? Why is he not posting? He is the most narcissistic POTUS of all time and has just pulled off one of the best comebacks in political history with a win bigger than he ever imagined. He has only retweeted one Elon Musk post since?
Dog caught car.
Fear not, he’s back and Twitter and just won the election, so you can expect plenty of tweets and truths in the coming years.
the relevant voters didn't seem to think so...
For the first line, sure, "everybody" was clumsy shorthand, every eligible American voter on redcafe in 2020, who nearly all went blue.
Why the "partial responsibility"? Why not "sowing what they reap"?
Why the "feel bad"? Why isn't it "on their conscience"?
If a 3rd party voter, who didn't vote Trump, is directly responsible, why are the actual voters, the ones who gave the President Biden the mandate to do the war crimes, any less responsible? This is backwards logic. One is primarily responsible for one's owns actions.
The only reason this disparity in responsibility, which is inversely proportional to the directness of the connection between their votes and the final outcome, seems to exist, is to soothe the consciences of the majority of people who do the "lesser evil" vote.
Finally, I will again note that this is an academic debate. Transferring every single Green vote to Kamala doesn't reverse a single state, and she needed to reverse at least three to win. It is even more academic when this forum's one American third party voter did what you asked for, and voted for Kamala.
I am - obviously - referring to people who didn’t vote at all, as well as those who voted Green (or whatever) And I’m referring to the American electorate as a whole, not just the great and good of redcafe.
And I already agreed that if you vote for Biden then you’re supporting his policies, whatever they are. Hence the bit about how you should “vote for the person who does the least bad shit” And it’s absolutely cast iron guaranteed that Harris/Biden do less bad shit than Trump. As per the transphobic rant you posted in this very thread.
All side issue. If people thought the economy was working for them, she would have won.
Carville claiming this is the moment that sunk Harris.
Please let this be true. Darwin comes at you fast.
That might be correct, however I still can't wrap my head around this decision. The neocons got well and truly beaten three primaries in a row. Who exactly they would've pandered to in this case? All it does is annoy your core base.
Pod save America guys had the most blunt and cut through messages on the house. If dems take it, he can be a lame duck.
But I guess we should know by now, dems will feck it up somehow
Send me a thousand, I'll message you how. I'll spend 500, and I'll spend it well, so you'll be happy. No need to worry about the other 500.
It's not actually possible to flip the house right?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/house-results
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-house.html
Dems need an actual bloody miracle.
Unlikely but not impossible imo
The way this election went the Dems will likely flip it, and then while we're all celebrating one of the winners in NY will rip off his mask to reveal George Santos.
It is done. Caraveo + Peltola losing gives the GOP 218. And the remaing votes are either insufficient or unfriendly enough for them.
However, if Dems run a near-royal flush they can get to 216 or 217, and frankly that's even better than getting the majority. It makes Trump a lame duck effectively while getting none of the blame. I would love to see how Republicans even get a speaker elected with a 1 or 3 votes majority.
The problem without her having a key message and really pushing it, was that other people spoke for what the Dems represent.
I’ve tried to engage with both sides of the political spectrum on social media, to see what videos are pushed by the algorithms, and on the right leaning side of things, it’s what you’d expect, videos on how bad immigrants are and a lot of videos on trans/gay community.
But what I found interesting was how all the left wing extremists also aligned themselves with Kamala. And I think it worked against her, which is unfair because that’s not what the Dems want.
In particular a lot of anti-men videos, basically women yelling at the camera about men being horrible, and then those same women would endorse Harris on their page. I think this is where things went wrong. Whilst these people have always existed, without a strong and simple message, she allowed this people to write her message for her.
You’ve got a generation of young (18-25) white, black, Latino and Arab men who have grown up in the social media era, and have been exposed to all this, if the Dems can showcase how they will improve their quality of life, and really change the narrative, then I think they could take the 2028 election comfortably. People will vote for the Republicans only when they feel they don’t have another choice.
Go and read the comments. A democrat winning an election is fraudulent to these people. There is so much work to do to unwind this.
Trump wins AZ - fair election. The same voters likely also voted for Gallego - FRAUD, AUDIT, CORRUPTION.
There is very likely to be Trump-Gallego voters simply because Lake is a fecking moron. But there can't even be rational discourse on this now because everything is a goddamn fecking conspiracy.
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It’s always like that on social media these days which is very RW exteme (on various topics). I don’t know if it’s mostly X which is positioned clearly as such, or the general RW wave across the board.
No more than Trump does, just without a cock.
This is why all the ‘realignment’ discourse is kinda overblown. Trumpism without Trump isn’t exactly a winning electoral strategy, and even with Trump it has been defeated under the right conditions.
If there’s something Americans have consistently demonstrated, it’s that they don’t trust government and are open to change for the sake of change. Give them 2 years of Trump and they will be sick to their teeth again.
She’s weak in AZ because even local Maga voters know she’s just a clout chaser. Just like Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio before her, even Trump’s pull isn’t enough to push her across the finish line. Fortunately AZ is starting to trend blue, so this may be the last we see of her.
AZ and TX went 7 points to the right this election, ‘trending blue’ doesn’t quite holding up if Latinos are voting this much like their white counterpart. Had they nominated a male Kari Lake, Gallego would have lost.
NC and GA are the states that prove their ‘trending blue’ status this cycle. Dems in blue states better figure out how to build housing because they are on track to lose like 10 EVs between CA, NY, NJ and IL in the 2030 census.
Can’t see any specific thread but can someone share a few recommended articles on the immigration debate and position of various parties in the US / Europe? And since the caf mostly left leaning what is your take on the situation given certainly the US and also now much of Europe is voting in favour of tighter borders?
Where I am from, immigration isn’t the same sort of hot election topic as it is in the West. My exposure to it is in watching news and debates related to other countries. Or the typical RW propaganda of “these immigrants are ruining our country, to back home etc” shared on family groups to promote bigotry and Islamophobia which I cringe at, given I am personally progressive in my leanings and values.
Where I am from, immigration isn’t the same sort of hot election topic as it is in the West. My exposure to it is in watching news and debates related to other countries. Or the typical RW propaganda of “these immigrants are ruining our country, to back home etc” shared on family groups to promote bigotry and Islamophobia which I cringe at, given I am personally progressive in my leanings and values.
Its been a debate in ireland, just not really for the kind of people who write articles. Or make coherent arguments. I'd say the Indian RW propoganda is far more sophisticated than ours, we've shortened it to 'bloody foreigners'.
Its 30 second tik tok videos of people being anti social mostly.
Trump's electoral count is 312. Arizona went to him.
The unelectability of so many MAGA politicians like Lake gives me a bit of hope that MAGA can't survive for long beyond Trump. But then I remember that MTG keeps getting re-elected and I scratch my head.
So trump has a clean sweep of all swing states and won the popular vote by a fair margin.
In hindsight, this thread has mostly been a waste of time, analyzing cloud castle polls with little to no connection to reality. The predictive power of US polling looks so weak now that it's really more like a self contained game to generate talking points than an empirical tool.
In hindsight, this thread has mostly been a waste of time, analyzing cloud castle polls with little to no connection to reality. The predictive power of US polling looks so weak now that it's really more like a self contained game to generate talking points than an empirical tool.