2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

WI_Red said:
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From my deep research* it sounds like 2024 Taylor is a lot less likely to speak out than 2020 Taylor. Unfortunately.

* Dipping a toe into the insanity of Taylor reddit, where a lot of them bemoan her Kelce-influence pushing her rightwards, as opposed to whatever dude she was dating in 2020 who was very into making the world a better place and encouraged her to speak out on causes.
 
Beachryan said:
From my deep research* it sounds like 2024 Taylor is a lot less likely to speak out than 2020 Taylor. Unfortunately.

* Dipping a toe into the insanity of Taylor reddit, where a lot of them bemoan her Kelce-influence pushing her rightwards, as opposed to whatever dude she was dating in 2020 who was very into making the world a better place and encouraged her to speak out on causes.
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I thought Kelce was a Democrat?
 
Blood Mage said:
I thought Kelce was a Democrat?
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Dunno, like I said going on the chatter on reddit, he apparently has her moving in much more right-wards circles. Who knows though.

I just wish her team would publically sue Trump so it at least breaks through that he's deliberately pushing AI fakes, because he's apparently have success using that as an attack on Harris (despite obviously being fabricated).

Plus I just hate the way Trump gets away with f*cking everything. Sir, you can't post those obviously fake images? Yes I can, I just did. And he is right.
 
Beachryan said:
If nothing else do you not think her speeches have been rock solid this month? That's not a small differentiator from both her opponent and her predecessor.
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Her speeches haven't been very good imo. She has been repeating the same line about being a DA and knowing "Donald Trump's type". There hasn't been anything substantive to anything she has said. If you look back at an Obama speech and compare it to Harris, there's a vast gap in quality and speaking skills. Comparing her to an 80 year old Biden isn't the standard. Reagan/Clinton/Obama are the more recent standards of Presidents who could actually communicate well.

Beachryan said:
As for policy, it's coming this week, as it was always going to. Let's at least let the (incredibly new and unexpected) campaign formulate said policies. She has a tough road to take given she has to own her role as VP while also propose things that are likely not in-line with Biden.

I was aligned with your view a few months ago - that if anything she was somehow less popular than doddering Biden - but I've personally been pleasantly surprised. Maybe it all falls down, but given the hand that was dealt, I feel like there were a lot of ways we were at a worse stage today.
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Her biggest challenge on policy is whether to run away from Biden and the administration for which she herself has been working for or to embrace it and the 38% favorability rating it has achieved from the public.
 
Raoul said:
Her speeches haven't been very good imo. She has been repeating the same line about being a DA and knowing "Donald Trump's type". There hasn't been anything substantive to anything she has said. If you look back at an Obama speech and compare it to Harris, there's a vast gap in quality and speaking skills. Comparing her an 80 year old Biden isn't the standard. Reagan/Clinton/Obama are the more recent standards of Presidents who could actually communicate well.



Her biggest challenge on policy is whether to run away from Biden and the administration for which she herself has been working for or to embrace it and the 38% favorability rating it has achieved from the public.
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I mean, the whole point of a stump speech is that it gets repeated...repeatedly.
 
Blood Mage said:
I thought Kelce was a Democrat?
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His voting record isn’t known but he’s no darling of the right, dude has spoken up in favour of LGBTQ rights and supported Kaepernick in the take a knee protest.

He’s loud and boorish and flashy so Swifties automatically assume that he’s a red blooded MAGA cult member.
 
Beachryan said:
Dunno, like I said going on the chatter on reddit, he apparently has her moving in much more right-wards circles. Who knows though.

I just wish her team would publically sue Trump so it at least breaks through that he's deliberately pushing AI fakes, because he's apparently have success using that as an attack on Harris (despite obviously being fabricated).

Plus I just hate the way Trump gets away with f*cking everything. Sir, you can't post those obviously fake images? Yes I can, I just did. And he is right.
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That chatter sounds like misogynistic nonsense. Of course whatever her current boyfriend thinks is what influences one of the biggest pop stars in the world political leanings.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
His voting record isn’t known but he’s no darling of the right, dude has spoken up in favour of LGBTQ rights and supported Kaepernick in the take a knee protest.

He’s loud and boorish and flashy so Swifties automatically assume that he’s a red blooded MAGA cult member.
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He also cut an add for Pfizer, so that's not gonna fly.
 
WI_Red said:
I mean, the whole point of a stump speech is that it gets repeated...repeatedly.
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I don't disagree, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good speech, especially if a majority of people who watch the events on TV (which are far more than those attending the rally) keep hearing it over and over like a broken record.
 
Raoul said:
I don't disagree, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good speech, especially if a majority of people who watch the events on TV (which are far more than those attending the rally) keep hearing it over and over like a broken record.
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Come on, how many people religiously watch stump speech after stump speech? They might see clips of the speeches, but the average American might only check in for the convention speech. Why should Harris get criticized for a tried & true political acticity all of a sudden?
 
calodo2003 said:
Come on, how many people religiously watch stump speech after stump speech? They might see clips of the speeches, but the average American might only check in for the convention speech. Why should Harris get criticized for a tried & true political acticity all of a sudden?
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They are literally broadcast on TV and online every single day in the middle of peak political season, so anyone who watches cable news or gets their info from Twitter is likely to see Harris parrot the same remarks each time.
 
Raoul said:
There's pretty solid circumstantial evidence he leans Dem, which is why the likes of Trump and MAGA are bricking it about not only Swift, but also the idea that Kelce could create a "permission structure" for younger males to vote for the Dem ticket.

https://msmagazine.com/2024/02/09/t...l-democrats-joe-biden-taylor-swift-elections/
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I assumed he was Dem because he's taken a couple of pics with Biden and is pro-vaccine. Your average MAGA voter wouldn't be caught dead doing either.
 
Yeah you guys, she's repetitive and not the good kind of repetitive like constantly talking about Hannibal Lecter and sharks.
 
Raoul said:
They are literally broadcast on TV and online every single day in the middle of peak political season, so anyone who watches cable news or gets their info from Twitter is likely to see Harris parrot the same remarks each time.
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I've watched a few of the rallies (I happen to find them both energizing) and while the middle core of each speech is largely unchanged, they are not the same. The speech is tweaked for the location/audience and there have been bits and pieces of policy thrown in.

That being said, after this week I hope there is a pivot to a more "here's what I will do" slant to the speech as opposed to being 80% "good vibes".
 
Raoul said:
They are literally broadcast on TV and online every single day in the middle of peak political season, so anyone who watches cable news or gets their info from Twitter is likely to see Harris parrot the same remarks each time.
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Yes, but these happened in 2020 but there was no outward criticism of their stump speeches, nor was there in 2016, 2012, etc. This is the first time I have ever heard it become a negative.

People are also not policy wonks & aren't watching the speeches soup to nuts. They are much more likely to catch clips after the speeches.
 
calodo2003 said:
Yes, but these happened in 2020 but there was no outward criticism of their stump speeches, nor was there in 2016, 2012, etc. This is the first time I have ever heard it become a negative.

People are also not policy wonks & aren't watching the speeches soup to nuts. They are much more likely to catch clips after the speeches.
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The difference being there's a candidate for President who doesn't do interviews and barely has any policy to run on who keeps repeating the same paragraph on a loop. Hilary and Obama didn't have this issue because they had a mountain of policies to run on and actually gave interviews.
 
Raoul said:
The difference being there's a candidate for President who doesn't do interviews and barely has any policy to run on who keeps repeating the same paragraph on a loop. Hilary and Obama didn't have this issue because they had a mountain of policies to run on and actually gave interviews.
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At this point I am curious. Who do you think would have been the best candidate for the Dems?
 
Raoul said:
The difference being there's a candidate for President who doesn't do interviews and barely has any policy to run on who keeps repeating the same paragraph on a loop. Hilary and Obama didn't have this issue because they had a mountain of policies to run on and actually gave interviews.
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TBF Trump doesn't really have any policies either, he just says what's in his head and repeats them constantly
 
Raoul said:
The difference being there's a candidate for President who doesn't do interviews and barely has any policy to run on who keeps repeating the same paragraph on a loop. Hilary and Obama didn't have this issue because they had a mountain of policies to run on and actually gave interviews.
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Trump's doing the same thing, yet goes uncriticized.
 
Raoul said:
Because everyone already knows what Trump is about. The Dems should be aspiring to a much higher standard.
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Tbf ’when they go low, we go high’ is just stupid. The current mode of ‘when they go low, we kick them in the nuts’ seems to be much better at playing to the base, and trolling MAGAs.

Traditional media has coddled Trump with their coverage for too long, by using the same handbook, you challenge them to apply the standards fairly, or not at all for both. If policies win elections, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton would’ve been president.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Why?

And also, Hillary didn't get elected.
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Trump is getting criticized. Its just that people aren't going to be moved by his idiocy anymore than they were in 16 or 20. His base knows what he brings to the table and will vote for him either way, as will a lot of traditional Republicans who don't like him but like his policies. The only ones remaining are a sliver of independents that he and Harris are fighting over, that will tip the election towards whoever wins them.
 
calodo2003 said:
Just can't help himself...

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He is completely unable to ever give the clear, concise and correct answer to any question.

He basically said it is better to get the Medal of Freedom because it's just the same as the Medal of Honor without getting shot of killed.

All you have to instead, it be a GOP mega donor like The Adelsons.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Maybe, he's coming across as quite desperate.
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If he does, it could be a gamechanger.

Although, how devoted are his voters? Are they wedded to him, or do they just not want Biden/Trump and now Harris. Apparently Harris has already peeled off a lot of them.

Would the rest move to Trump?

I can see him endorsing Trump. To have a Kennedy endorsing Trump, even if he is a nut job, would be a boost.
 
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